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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:10 pm 


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What are your favorite conspiracy theories?


The Q-Anon-ers are on some acid trip about how celebrity coronavirus quarantines are really just cover stories for them getting arrested for being pedophiles. Tom Hanks seems to be their favorite target in relation to this.


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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:23 pm 


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ratikal wrote:
What are your favorite conspiracy theories?


The Q-Anon-ers are on some acid trip about how celebrity coronavirus quarantines are really just cover stories for them getting arrested for being pedophiles. Tom Hanks seems to be their favorite target in relation to this.


Oprah too!
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:09 pm 


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ratikal wrote:
What are your favorite conspiracy theories?


Not a conspiracy theory but I do love how when shit like this happens everyone is a pro on the subject, despite their stance.
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:10 pm 


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What are your favorite conspiracy theories?


My own! (■`W´■)

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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
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I forgot to add this one!

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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
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https://www.propublica.org/article/a-me ... g-patients
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:01 am 


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Still in quarantine, with no end in sight.

Best analysis I've read since the beginning of this mess:

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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:50 am 


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I tend to believe the virus is man made, though I don't think it got out of the lab on purpose. I do, however, think that China let it leave the country knowingly so that they wouldn't be the only affected nation. Gives them the opportunity of a lifetime to play the hero in all this, too.


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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:04 am 


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No worries, though - some of your fellow guardians of freedom who really, deeply, truly believe this, as you all no doubt do, also know The Cure That They Won't Tell You, and, wouldn't you know it, just so happen to have some for sale. :lol:
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:34 pm 


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I tend to believe the virus is man made, though I don't think it got out of the lab on purpose. I do, however, think that China let it leave the country knowingly so that they wouldn't be the only affected nation. Gives them the opportunity of a lifetime to play the hero in all this, too.


My favorite theory is that a janitor working at the disease research center in Wuhan found dead test animals in the lab trash and decided it would have been a waste of good meat, taking it to sell at the local market instead.


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Given that there are pharmacists in prison for intentionally diluting cancer drugs to make money, nothing is completely impossible.

Greed has no limits.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:41 pm 


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I heard from the most trusted name in news that a grizzled old bat busted his cuffs and used his last rod on this earth to fuck a godless commie dickpill researcher named Larry square in the mouth.

Don't call it a massacre, call it revenge. (`ω´メ)

EDIT: Oho! Rape-crazed movie man and recently-caged sex beast HAABIE WEINSTEINU-SAN has it, apparently. Wonder if he'll pull through, boo hoo.
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:59 pm 


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No worries, though - some of your fellow guardians of freedom who really, deeply, truly believe this, as you all no doubt do, also know The Cure That They Won't Tell You, and, wouldn't you know it, just so happen to have some for sale. :lol:
If you're more upset at this than you are at the CDC telling the bald faced lie that masks aren't effective, you are a seriously troubled person. What will it take for you to disengage with the politics of frivolity, if not a global pandemic?


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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:30 am 


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quash wrote:
I tend to believe the virus is man made


Already disproven: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9


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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:33 am 


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the CDC telling the bald faced lie that masks aren't effective

I dunno, every such statement I've encountered from non-government disease experts seems to concur with the CDC - at least to the point of "so long as supplies are short, we ought to make sure they get to those on the front lines first, where they'll do the most good" - are all of them somehow also in on this latest Deep State con, just like almost the entire climatological community? And pretty much anyone and everyone else, when convenient? :roll:

By the by, it's rich as ever to see a relentlessly scatter-shot nihilist like you clutching his pearls about "the politics of frivolity", fuck off. :lol:
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
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Nah, I just think it's pathetic that we have to resort to such drastic measures because we're not a cohesive enough society to wear masks, and also because we outsourced production of said masks to China to save a few cents.

You don't understand my position if you consider me a nihilist, and you probably never will. Too bad for you.

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Except that doesn't disprove anything. They simply state that it's unlikely to be a man made virus based on how it doesn't follow known conventions of such viruses, and how it's relatively inefficient. To play devils advocate here: what if both of these are the point?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:13 am 


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That's a great deal :shock:
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Except that doesn't disprove anything. They simply state that it's unlikely to be a man made virus based on how it doesn't follow known conventions of such viruses, and how it's relatively inefficient. To play devils advocate here: what if both of these are the point?

It's not disproven strictly speaking, but it's strong evidence against your theory. It even explains that if one were to attempt the creation of such a virus through synthetic virology, the technology to do so is not currently known.

This is the benchmark. If you want to claim something contradictory, you first have to either serve up evidence that disproves the research in that paper, or convincingly show the world that you can synthesize this virus in practice.
Anything else lies between speculation and the spreading of harmful conspiracy theories.


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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 virus
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quash wrote:
I tend to believe the virus is man made, though I don't think it got out of the lab on purpose. I do, however, think that China let it leave the country knowingly so that they wouldn't be the only affected nation. Gives them the opportunity of a lifetime to play the hero in all this, too.


Your comment on China letting leave the country is something I had not thought of but is certainly a reasonable possibility.
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Except that doesn't disprove anything. They simply state that it's unlikely to be a man made virus based on how it doesn't follow known conventions of such viruses, and how it's relatively inefficient. To play devils advocate here: what if both of these are the point?


As 6t8k already pointed out, if you feel both these are not the point, the burden lies on you to state a falsifiable hypothesis and show your data. That's how the scientific method works.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:08 am 


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This is the benchmark. If you want to claim something contradictory, you first have to either serve up evidence that disproves the research in that paper, or convincingly show the world that you can synthesize this virus in practice.


I don't necessarily think the research is wrong. Surely, few if any of us are truly qualified to comment on that to any significant extent. That doesn't mean that it can't be misleading or effectively lying by omission. Nobody really knows right now besides perhaps a select few. Even taken at face value, they still come just shy of saying that it absolutely cannot be man made, which they didn't do for no reason.

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Anything else lies between speculation and the spreading of harmful conspiracy theories.


I literally speculated, so I see no issue with what I said. "I tend to believe" is not "this is true beyond a shadow of a doubt".

Looking beyond the scope of the scientific method, China has been trying to pin the blame for the virus on the US, which I don't even rule out entirely myself, but with the current evidence we have, seems unlikely. That does speak to a certain degree of damage control, which in all likelihood means there was a level of complicity that makes certain people in positions of power uncomfortable. Again, this is speculation, but that doesn't mean it's not worth discussing. Most things surrounding the virus at this point are.


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quash wrote:
I literally speculated, so I see no issue with what I said. "I tend to believe" is not "this is true beyond a shadow of a doubt".


It's not simply a matter of semantics. You get to chose what you speculate about and when you feel it's appropriate to post it online. Out of all the bajillion unlikely things you could've speculated about, you chose to make it about the virus being man-made in China. That raises the question, why?

I tend to believe that your speculation is part of your attempt to make everything that happens in the world retroactively fit into your pre-conceived political world-view — but that's just my speculation.


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Every time I see some good news(China flattening the curve, most recovered), I see something that spikes my concerns again(Italy), and vice versa.


Question is, what's the endgame? Say we have everyone quarantined and safe & sound, then what? Is there a period where they go 'okay, we go back to normal now'? There has to be a plan, because too many people are out of work for society to sustain itself like this for long...

I just pray they don't close anything else, because then it teeters on pandemonium.
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I tend to believe that your speculation is part of your attempt to make everything that happens in the world retroactively fit into your pre-conceived political world-view — but that's just my speculation.


I agree. We seem to have a very unhealthy amount of this online. People are not exercising intellectual thought all too often.

Conspiracy Theories are cheap and they tend to reveal more about the one spouting them than anything else I tend to find.
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Is there a period where they go 'okay, we go back to normal now'? There has to be a plan, because too many people are out of work for society to sustain itself like this for long...

I take it we are waiting for a vaccine to be developed & time-proven. Little else can be done against any virus out there, hence catarrh treated lasts for a week, whereas untreated - for seven days, and flu complications can still be life-threatening.
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I tend to believe that your speculation is part of your attempt to make everything that happens in the world retroactively fit into your pre-conceived political world-view — but that's just my speculation.


I agree. We seem to have a very unhealthy amount of this online. People are not exercising intellectual thought all too often.

Conspiracy Theories are cheap and they tend to reveal more about the one spouting them than anything else I tend to find.


I think it's a coping mechanism for some people. Easier to think there is a wild conspiracy than the truth that several countries fucked up the handling of this pandemic.
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I tend to believe that your speculation is part of your attempt to make everything that happens in the world retroactively fit into your pre-conceived political world-view — but that's just my speculation.


I agree. We seem to have a very unhealthy amount of this online. People are not exercising intellectual thought all too often.

Conspiracy Theories are cheap and they tend to reveal more about the one spouting them than anything else I tend to find.


I think it's a coping mechanism for some people. Easier to think there is a wild conspiracy than the truth that several countries fucked up the handling of this pandemic.

I agree entirely: when I compare the UK, USA to the way it has been handled in some other countries it makes the UK look pretty bad.
If you become ill such that you need hospital treatment then your chances are tied to how well the country that you reside in happened to invest in its medical system. Germany has a lot of cases but far fewer deaths due to C19 than the UK, but, Germany spends way, way more on health care to the extent that it'S integral to our way of life over here. You reap what you sow as they say.
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I think it's a coping mechanism for some people. Easier to think there is a wild conspiracy than the truth that several countries fucked up the handling of this pandemic.

How are those two related, if you fuck up how it was handled it doesn't matter how it was created or if it was spread on purpose or not and it has very convenient properties for a bio weapon (highly contagious, kills old people, doesn't affect kids, fucks up the economy big time) so it's not entirely out of question that someone wanted it to spread?

How is it even a political conspiracy, no one knows what the hell will the consequences be, it could very well destroy the EU and bring back nationalism and certain people should be celebrating this instead


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I think it's a coping mechanism for some people. Easier to think there is a wild conspiracy than the truth that several countries fucked up the handling of this pandemic.

How are those two related, if you fuck up how it was handled it doesn't matter how it was created or if it was spread on purpose or not and it has very convenient properties for a bio weapon (highly contagious, kills old people, doesn't affect kids, fucks up the economy big time) so it's not entirely out of question that someone wanted it to spread?

How is it even a political conspiracy, no one knows what the hell will the consequences be, it could very well destroy the EU and bring back nationalism and certain people should be celebrating this instead


I'm just saying it's a distraction for some people. QAnon and conspiracy searches in general have spiked since many places started imposing lockdown. People need something to do to kill time. I'm hoping we don't see a suicide spike.
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