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 Post subject: Nothing Lasts Forever: Assembler Games to close
PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:48 pm 


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Whether it actually does or not, who knows. Honestly that community has not been without plenty of drama for quite some time. They did, however, showcase some very cool shit somewhat regularly.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:19 pm 


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It's sad to see such long-standing communities go, because they are great repositories of information. A gap social media cannot properly fill.

Haven't stopped by Assembler in a while though. It seems even this announcement comes with some drama attached. Ouch!


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Meh... I quit lurking there after the booth babe thread was declared "offensive to women."


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Meh... I quit lurking there after the booth babe thread was declared "offensive to women."


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 Post subject: Re: Nothing Lasts Forever: Assembler Games to close
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Theres some cool pictures to be found here and there, but there are way too many elitist assholes on that forum to really miss it. In fact i'd be surprised if it really disappears in a month, more likely trying to get someone to pony up some cash. Or the guy running it disappears for some extended vague hospital visit.


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 Post subject: Re: Nothing Lasts Forever: Assembler Games to close
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:27 pm 



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Death of AG seems to have breathed new life into https://www.obscuregamers.com/

There is a AG archive going live if expiry occurs.


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Nothing lasts indeed.

But no worries, the day shmups die we take refuge at gamegai.
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 Post subject: Re: Nothing Lasts Forever: Assembler Games to close
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:57 pm 


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For real? That's freaking tragedy. I learned so much unknown Japanese games from there, and not only. Also protos/betas and other stuff simple mortals wouldn't get otherwise.

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Death of AG seems to have breathed new life into https://www.obscuregamers.com/


Ah, og. Site that was a place for og xbox modding, then it became AG-like forum, then they made discord and deleted OG with all posts, and now they are opened again :x ok...
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 Post subject: Re: Nothing Lasts Forever: Assembler Games to close
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SuperDeadite wrote:
Meh... I quit lurking there after the booth babe thread was declared "offensive to women."


God bless the booth babes, they're sorely missed.

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But no worries, the day shmups die we take refuge at gamegai.


I started wondering a few weeks ago, how many forums this old are still running. The Shmups forum has existed for about 22 years in various forms, next year the current instance will contain posts 15 years old. It's existed longer than some of the users have been alive. The kings of longevity are the old Usenet groups which still exist but there can't be too many web based ones which are older. AG according to posts I've read is 23.
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 Post subject: Re: Nothing Lasts Forever: Assembler Games to close
PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:24 am 


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Where was the shmups forum originally? At shmups.com? And how many iterations of the forum have there been? I thought there was only a pre-2005 and the current one.


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Wasn't Gamespy the original host? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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 Post subject: Re: Nothing Lasts Forever: Assembler Games to close
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Specineff wrote:
Wasn't Gamespy the original host? Please correct me if I'm wrong.


That was the later forum. I think the original was on Hotboards?

Archive.org to the rescue. There's quite a few before Gamespy!

https://web.archive.org/web/19990831171 ... ooterforum

https://web.archive.org/web/20001122023 ... ooterforum

https://web.archive.org/web/20011015012 ... rum/121510

https://web.archive.org/web/20040811090 ... mupsforum/


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 Post subject: Re: Nothing Lasts Forever: Assembler Games to close
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Judging from the post dates alone, it seems like the order was: paradise-web -> hotboards -> network54 -> gamespy -> system11.

So, this place only became a forum proper on its fourth iteration. Pretty nice bit of history I didn't know about. How did this place came to be in the first place, though? Can one of the early/original members shed some light on this, if it's not much trouble? :)


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 Post subject: Re: Nothing Lasts Forever: Assembler Games to close
PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:26 pm 


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Malc set up the very first instance if that's what you mean, to go with the shmups.com website. The forum ended up on system11 because that's my domain and it was easier to screw around with DNS I could actually change without getting Malc to email(!) the DNS provider to make changes.
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Yeah, that's it. Thanks. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Nothing Lasts Forever: Assembler Games to close
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system11 wrote:
I started wondering a few weeks ago, how many forums this old are still running. The Shmups forum has existed for about 22 years in various forms, next year the current instance will contain posts 15 years old. It's existed longer than some of the users have been alive. The kings of longevity are the old Usenet groups which still exist but there can't be too many web based ones which are older. AG according to posts I've read is 23.


AG is about the same age as shmups. The turnover over of both has been... shall we say, different. I think you can always judge a forum by the content of it's Off Topic section, and this one, despite some flaws, is about as good as it gets.
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 Post subject: Re: Nothing Lasts Forever: Assembler Games to close
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i guess one positive thing to say about asshole-admin is he gave a 30day notice, which gives people plenty of time to update their mirrors. Mine was over 2 years old; eventhough i don't think i'd miss much i refreshed it anyway. Let's just hope he takes it offline and it doesn't end up as some sort of semi graveyard.


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I was never a user so don't understand the politics there - but it seems odd that multiple people have offered to help with hosting and as far as I could tell, he wants to take it to his grave.
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I was never a user so don't understand the politics there - but it seems odd that multiple people have offered to help with hosting and as far as I could tell, he wants to take it to his grave.


You could write a book w/ weird shit that's happened there through the years... generally orchestrated by Assembler. I think most people are over it.
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Some people were somehow never meant to be admins. Have my own share of stories about a guy who ruined his own community
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 Post subject: Re: Nothing Lasts Forever: Assembler Games to close
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system11 wrote:
I started wondering a few weeks ago, how many forums this old are still running. The Shmups forum has existed for about 22 years in various forms, next year the current instance will contain posts 15 years old. It's existed longer than some of the users have been alive. The kings of longevity are the old Usenet groups which still exist but there can't be too many web based ones which are older. AG according to posts I've read is 23.


AG is about the same age as shmups. The turnover over of both has been... shall we say, different. I think you can always judge a forum by the content of it's Off Topic section, and this one, despite some flaws, is about as good as it gets.


I agree. I wouldn't post on AG off-topic stuff, it seems... potentially toxic. Shmups seems to have fair posts and topics, but ppl aren't particularly responsive outside of the hardware forum. Which is fine. I'll still keep posting occasionally.

I think it will be a shame to lose all the guides and procedures on AG tho. I hope someone documents that stuff.


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 Post subject: Re: Nothing Lasts Forever: Assembler Games to close
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They're dumping all the public stuff, including the 0th bit forum which was semi-hidden. It had some ISO releases in there, from memory.
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Had a weird feeling this was gonna happen soon. Lots and lots of drama.

AGTP is pretty old, started in 1999. Gideon just celebrated the 20th anniversary recently. I don't know when he started running the forums but the latest incarnation started up in 2007. It's not a particularly big forum though, it's a personal forum like Gamengai or CAVE-STG or something like that.

Then there's Digital Press, which has been around since 2002 I think, and amazingly people still post there. That place also seems to have a crawler infestation.

Still hate how the move from phpBB2 to phpBB3 broke so many themes...
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Digital Press used to have far more traffic than it did. I think places like it (and this, really) don't have tons of people coming in... and of course peoples hobbies change. I like the idea of something being totally preserved (and even staying alive in some format). I translated a ton of news articles back in the day for Dreamcast.net. Was the last time I was excited for new games. I was also like 23, chain-smoked cigarettes and partied, so yeah, it was a fun time of my life. I can dig through archive.org here and there and find some of it, but to an extent, it has vanished, unfortunately.
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In the past you didn't really need to "advertise" a website. Example, before there was really only this forum, and it was the only thing you could mention when someone asked "where do I go to discuss these games?", except for other highly-specific things like shmup.com for French users. Nowadays, you have to actively advertise websites to "beat" things like the thousands (not an exaggeration) of slightly-different Discord servers. Discord has consumed literally everything: actual websites, forums, IRC, every voice chat program, every other method of communication. Noone seems to care, and far too many will deny everything when you point out what Discord is doing to people and to the internet.

Like, sorry to bring up Discord, but it's not really off-topic. Discord is at least a partial cause of all these communities closing up shop lately. The long-standing meme that this forum is somehow particularly "toxic" doesn't help either, especially considering the clowns who believe in that meme...

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Discord, reddit, Facebook and Twitter are the sites overtaking forums like this and many others. Seen it too much lately.


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In the past you didn't really need to "advertise" a website. Example, before there was really only this forum, and it was the only thing you could mention when someone asked "where do I go to discuss these games?", except for other highly-specific things like shmup.com for French users. Nowadays, you have to actively advertise websites to "beat" things like the thousands (not an exaggeration) of slightly-different Discord servers. Discord has consumed literally everything: actual websites, forums, IRC, every voice chat program, every other method of communication. Noone seems to care, and far too many will deny everything when you point out what Discord is doing to people and to the internet.

Like, sorry to bring up Discord, but it's not really off-topic. Discord is at least a partial cause of all these communities closing up shop lately. The long-standing meme that this forum is somehow particularly "toxic" doesn't help either, especially considering the clowns who believe in that meme...

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This is my Discord experience to date:

Step 1 - someone I like starts up a Discord server, I download it and join.
Step 2 - other people I like start up Discord servers, I join those too
Step 3 - even more people in the same social group start up Discord servers, I join them out of politeness
Step 4 - aside from one totally unrelated to gaming server, I find that I no longer read any of them, because it would be a full time job keeping up to date
Step 5 - I barely use Discord now, it sits there running and perhaps every few days I look at a couple of channels in one server. The rest I look at maybe once a month, I mostly use Discord for private messaging about 3 people.

The problem is, in the past with IRC and forums we had rooms/forums based around a subject - but for some reason people started creating servers for themselves, the end result is endless channels with subsets of the same people in them. It's also completely rubbish as any form of information repository, just try finding something in the scrollback, it's essentially temporary - just like IRC was, because functionally it's IRC with bells on.
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I'm definitely guilty of being in servers I never read. I'm active on about 2-3.


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