Solo: A Star Wars Story

[Skykid]

@skykid - what do you think of the theory that L337 is some kind of parody? I found her annoying, but I kept thinking she's supposed to be annoying, but then she's REALLY annoying. Is she a parody of SJW's?

Assuming for a moment that that's the case, it makes very little sense considering the global disdain for what people believe is Kennedy making Star Wars about her politics. The pushback against leftist media infiltration is a mountain on YouTube: real people as opposed to journalists. There's no way in my mind that they could ever pull off a parody of far leftist rhetoric without it just being seen as leftist rhetoric, so therefore I can't believe it was parody. I think, as with other Star Wars movies, the producer/s made sure that they had some ideological representation in there, and that was L337. You can't just have a movie with a white CIS gender lead and not redress the balance in some way.

I wish you were right though.

I'd like to see a sequel to this movie, especially the job that was mentioned at the end.

You mean Jabba's job? So would I, as long as it holds onto and improves what was established here - but I don't see it happening now. At least not in the same format.

I'm just curious where all the Kathleen Kennedy bashing comes from.

Kennedy has all but admitted that she is utilising Star Wars for identity politics - unnecessarily because it's fairly plain to see - but Kasdan, the writer, pretty much threw it in everyone's faces on Twitter with the Lando thing, didn't he?

Going back to the movie, I understand that the LEGO guys actually did a lot of work in the first half of the movie, and Ron's input was the latter. Ron is only required to direct 51% of the movie to get the sole directorial credit, meaning he probably did everything on Kessel and thereafter. I think the entire train sequence still belongs to the LEGO guys, amongst others.

Also, I heard they cut a TON of great stuff that was already shot so Ron could make up his percentage. That's a shame, one day hopefully those missing sequences will resurface.

[Bananamatic]

leetspeak in 2018
how out of touch can you be

[Mischief Maker]

leetspeak in 2018
how out of touch can you be

I'm pretty sure the Lego Movie guys came up with that one.

[Zen]

how out of touch can you be

That's rhetorical, right? This is "The Resistance" we are talking about after all.
There is zero self awareness. They function strictly on hive-mind formulae.


How can this fail? . . .

In fact, this very thread has colony forming as we speak!

[Mischief Maker]

I'm pretty sure if someone went and made a shot-for-shot remake of Star Wars ANH ala. Gus Van Sant's Psycho, the hysterical right would be having a conniption over "mary sue" Princess Leia grabbing a gun and taking charge during the prison firefight when it's clear neither of the men who showed up to rescue her had a plan to escape.

"She's a diplomat! How would she even know how to hold a gun? The resistance is trying to put worms in my brain again!"

[Skykid]

I'm pretty sure if someone went and made a shot-for-shot remake of Star Wars ANH ala. Gus Van Sant's Psycho, the hysterical right would be having a conniption over "mary sue" Princess Leia grabbing a gun and taking charge during the prison firefight when it's clear neither of the men who showed up to rescue her had a plan to escape.

"She's a diplomat! How would she even know how to hold a gun? The resistance is trying to put worms in my brain again!"

You say that, but then it's the exact same when it's the opposite way around. You can't watch anything at all these days without being acutely aware - as far as you can tell - that you're having some agenda driven concept forced down your throat. Do you realise how annoying that is? Nothing can just 'be', it's all got the faint whiff of identity politics, and try as you might, you can't shake the damn feeling.

Original Star Wars would never have been considered overtly political in its characterisation because the social politics we have now didn't exist at the time in the same way, so your example doesn't have any validity. In its period, it simply was what it was: a feisty princess, a scoundrel pirate, a heroic farmboy. I wish they could make Star Wars today in the same way. And to be fair, Solo is incredibly close! In-fact, if you removed L337 completely, I think the movie would be totally free of any irritating 'messages'.

[Zen]

You can't watch anything at all these days without being acutely aware - as far as you can tell - that you're having some agenda driven concept forced down your throat. Do you realise how annoying that is? Nothing can just 'be', it's all got the faint whiff of identity politics, and try as you might, you can't shake the damn feeling.

You will probably not be interested in Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018) - J.A. Bayona, then.
Wherein refugee dinosaurs are relocated, under the auspices of an NGO dinosaur-rights activist group, headed by, "hold on to your butts", the former park manager Claire Dearing (Bryce Dallas Howard)

I shit you not; https://variety.com/2018/film/reviews/j ... 202829194/

[dan76]

Hang on, what are we saying here. If we think that the Lego guys came up with that characterisation of L3 then it makes sense. They're poking fun at SJW's. That has to be it, but somehow it slipped by KK and even Ron Howard and they took her as legit?

I'd say it has to be a parody. But so slight it's actually as annoying as the thing it's parodying. That's how I'm going to settle it with myself so that the next time I watch it she won't grate as much.

I wish I could cgi out that freckled redhead though. Fuck.

The pan sexual thing was some offhand remark by the kid Kasdan that was in answer to some dumb red carpet question. I thought he meant as in an alien or something.

As for Thandie Newton - I've not really seen her in much, is she like this in everything? I liked her in Solo because her character didn't start waffling on about her history, reasons and all that crap. She just wanted to get on with it. Stupid way to go though.

The more I think about it the cameo at the end would have been way better with Fett or Jabba than without you know who.

[Mischief Maker]

Original Star Wars would never have been considered overtly political in its characterisation because the social politics we have now didn't exist at the time in the same way, so your example doesn't have any validity.

You don't think there was a feminist movement in the 70s?

[Zen]

I'd say it has to be a parody.

http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/solos-l3-3 ... ooking-for

"Kasdan elaborated on this to EW: "We wanted to have it be a completely different kind of droid than you've ever seen in the movies. And we definitely wanted it to be female.
We thought it was more than time for that." "

I wouldn't say that Kasdan in any way, implies parody here.

[Durandal]

Original Star Wars would never have been considered overtly political in its characterisation because the social politics we have now didn't exist at the time in the same way, so your example doesn't have any validity.

You don't think there was a feminist movement in the 70s?

The social impact thereof was gradual enough to become a part of the zeitgeist of the new hip and rebellious generation, as seen through the art they created which represented ideas they included with no particular reason because they considered them normal and a given -- the proper method for enacting any kind of subversion for that matter.

This is not one of those cases.

Personally, I believe most genre fiction authors don't like to include empowered women because it makes them feel good in the heart, but because it makes them feel good in the dick (slaveprincessleia_04.jpg).

[Jonny2x4]

Hang on, what are we saying here. If we think that the Lego guys came up with that characterisation of L3 then it makes sense. They're poking fun at SJW's. That has to be it, but somehow it slipped by KK and even Ron Howard and they took her as legit?

I've seen people speculate that L3-37 might had been the reason why Lord and Miller were fired in the first place. They made the character as a dig at Kennedy and she didn't take it lightly.

[BIL]

God this is all such a hoot. The ongoing collapse of SW I mean.

By the way you're all wrong, ITS WHITE MENS FAULT

[BryanM]

I've only watched one ep of S5 and I liked it but for some reason it was spending way too much time recapping S4, as if they just didn't release a remixed Season 4 (which I didn't watch; OG was fine for me) or as if people have no way of catching up. I mean, who is going to tune in to the show by now if not your biggest fans? Once the recapping is out of the way, there were a number of moments that make me smile and laugh though.

Ah, someone like me could definitely use a recap. It's been five years since I've watched #4 and have no intention of seeing it again any time soon. Only the really big beats like "Blindside monster", the Fantastic Four musical, etc are still up in there. You gotta do a little onboarding work, never hurts.

Personally, I believe most genre fiction authors don't like to include empowered women because it makes them feel good in the heart, but because it makes them feel good in the dick (slaveprincessleia_04.jpg).

That's another thing that's sanitized in the original movies and we don't like to talk about. The possibility that Jabba the Hut had raped Leia. Thus, why she was so enthusiastic about strangling him to death a couple scenes later.

This kind of gross depressing stuff is more interesting than the tale of two mass murderers with laser swords furious at each because the other one murders the wrong kind of people. But it's definitely not Star Wars.

Star Wars follows on that scene by having a bunch of teddy bears destroy a military unit. And then an uncaring sociopath that just murdered 2 billion people three hours ago changes his mind because Some Guy he just met two hours ago whimpers and cries "daddy please no".

... they should really just give the entire machine to the guys who did Empire. Just force them to do it. After all, the Mouse can make anyone do anything. We all know Lucas didn't want to sell. He was scared shitless by one too many bricks thrown through some windows too close to home.

By the way you're all wrong, ITS WHITE MENS FAULT

Only in Hollywood can raking in $267.4 million result in failure. Budget wizards.

For those of you not paying attention to other things, we're coming to another stock market downturn within the next year or so. There are numerous indicators that scream that it's imminent - none so transparent as the "fundamentals of the economy are strong" tripe being peddled in Forbes and elsewhere, which always precedes a huge drop.

This is "The Resistance" we are talking about after all.
There is zero self awareness. They function strictly on hive-mind formulae.

Nobody's going to call you names in return, Zen. We know that's not what it's about - it's a distraction from cold uncaring material reality. Like most religions are.

I understand that you need it and that it's lonely out there man. Take care of yourself.

[Jonny2x4]

By the way you're all wrong, ITS WHITE MENS FAULT

(BUT THAT'S A GOOD THING)

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[Zen]

Nobody's going to call you names in return, Zen. We know that's not what it's about - it's a distraction from cold uncaring material reality. Like most religions are.

I understand that you need it and that it's lonely out there man. Take care of yourself.

You've already called me Kathleen Kennedy, how much worse can it get?

And do I need to point out to you yet again, BryanM, that in fact it is you who so obviously needs and advocates structure, comrade.
Next to you, I'm positively a Nihilist.

Let us get down to brass tacks now, BryanM;
Do you, yes or no, concede that a "Social Justice" viewpoint is being pushed in and upon , the Star Wars films, under Kathleen Kennedy?

[Skykid]

I'd say it has to be a parody. But so slight it's actually as annoying as the thing it's parodying. That's how I'm going to settle it with myself so that the next time I watch it she won't grate as much.

Dan, there is nothing you can do to make her not grate as much. That character is one of the worst things I've ever seen or heard in a movie. She tops Jar Jar, do you realise that?

As for Thandie Newton - I've not really seen her in much, is she like this in everything?

Pretty much. Her range is around zero. I thought her exit was fairly well done though.

Original Star Wars would never have been considered overtly political in its characterisation because the social politics we have now didn't exist at the time in the same way, so your example doesn't have any validity.

You don't think there was a feminist movement in the 70s?

You missed the part that says "in the same way".

I wouldn't say that Kasdan in any way, implies parody here.

Parody is Dan's wishful thinking. She was an intentional, purposeful addition, and requires you to cover the eyes of loved ones and children when viewing the movie.

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[dan76]

Dan, there is nothing you can do to make her not grate as much. That character is one of the worst things I've ever seen or heard in a movie. She tops Jar Jar, do you realise that?

But what about the conversation she has with Kira about Lando fancying her and how it can get awkward? She's obviously delusional. I think that delusion is carried over into everything.

Nothing will top Jar Jar or Rose Tico. She's up there in third place. It's close.

Edit. I'm going to stop now. Damn Star Wars gets me every time.

[Skykid]

But what about the conversation she has with Kira about Lando fancying her and how it can get awkward? She's obviously delusional. I think that delusion is carried over into everything.

It's not obviously delusional if Lando was, as Kasdan declared, written as a 'pansexual'. And with that in mind when I was watching the movie, it seemed like they had an existing intimate relationship based on their behaviours. She actually said "It doesn't work" when questioned about how compatible they are.

Nothing will top Jar Jar or Rose Tico. She's up there in third place. It's close.

Oh god, no, she's worse than Rose. Come on. Maybe on par with Jar Jar. The voice actor is horrific!

[Mischief Maker]

Original Star Wars would never have been considered overtly political in its characterisation because the social politics we have now didn't exist at the time in the same way, so your example doesn't have any validity.

You don't think there was a feminist movement in the 70s?

You missed the part that says "in the same way".

Am I the only one who remembers The Laverne & Shirley cartoon?

It's not obviously delusional if Lando was, as Kasdan declared, written as a 'pansexual'.

I think you should stop getting your movie reviews from Info Wars editors and start watching more Redlettermedia.

[Jonny2x4]

Am I the only one who remembers The Laverne & Shirley cartoon?

Was there a single cartoon premise that Hanna-Barbera didn't recycle? They did the whole two women in the army thing again for The New Popeye Show.

[Steamflogger Boss]

So yeah this is actually a pretty decent movie.

[Squire Grooktook]

Personally, I believe most genre fiction authors don't like to include empowered women because it makes them feel good in the heart, but because it makes them feel good in the dick (slaveprincessleia_04.jpg).

My creative process for female protagonists is as follows:

Step 1: Self insert as the cute girl.

Step 2: Realize I'm not supposed to do that, and backpedal furiously.

Step 3: Attempt to differentiate the character from myself and my own "voice" as much as possible (as well as from other characters I have created), giving them unique inner characteristics, beliefs, hopes, history, dreams, and worldview.

Step 4: Attempt to give them flaws from which they can learn and grow, following the classical arc of The Heroes Journey.

Step 5: Hope nobody notices Step 1.

[BryanM]

Watched a thing about Jedis today.

Agree with the fellow that zazz can kinda ruin everything. It's also comforting to know the internet never changes.

[orange808]

Personally, I believe most genre fiction authors don't like to include empowered women because it makes them feel good in the heart, but because it makes them feel good in the dick (slaveprincessleia_04.jpg).

My creative process for female protagonists is as follows:

Step 1: Self insert as the cute girl.

Step 2: Realize I'm not supposed to do that, and backpedal furiously.

Step 3: Attempt to differentiate the character from myself and my own "voice" as much as possible (as well as from other characters I have created), giving them unique inner characteristics, beliefs, hopes, history, dreams, and worldview.

Step 4: Attempt to give them flaws from which they can learn and grow, following the classical arc of The Heroes Journey.

Step 5: Hope nobody notices Step 1.

Well, you aren't describing instant Jedi-ette (just add sand).

Bonus! She's also **instantly** the most important person everywhere she goes!! Han is dead, so give me a big hug, Rey! Fuck.

Here's my Disney female protagonist recipe:

1. Grab a Game Genie.
2. Throw in SMB2 USA.
3. Get infinite star invincibility.
4. Get infinite floating.
5. Add the ability to float up and down.
6. Float through entire game effortlessly.
7. Deny that you have a Mary Sue.
8. Girl power.

Fuck Star Wars.

[BrianC]

Am I the only one who remembers The Laverne & Shirley cartoon?

Was there a single cartoon premise that Hanna-Barbera didn't recycle? They did the whole two women in the army thing again for The New Popeye Show.

I recently found out about a cartoon named Where's Huddles that not only had some of the same voices, but even recycled plots from the Flintstones. One episode is even about sharing a swimming pool. Of course, that's just one example of HB's recycling. They even recycle songs in Christmas specials. One song from Yogi's First Christmas was used in an episode of The Smurfs.

[Jonny2x4]

I was actually thinking of all those Scooby-Doo ripoffs that Hanna-Barbera put out after the success of that series that basically had the same premise, only the mascot character was different, like Jabberjaw (Scooby-Doo as a shark), Speed Buggy (Scooby-Doo as a buggy) and Dynomutt (Scooby-Doo as Batman's sidekick). In terms of Flintstones-ripoff, the Jetsons are the most obvious, but there was also the Roman Hollidays and Wait 'Till Your Father Gets Home. There was also some Patridge Kids show that was based on a rejected Jetson spinoff proposal.

Even the Smurfs had their own ripoff in the form of the Snorks.

[Skykid]

Am I the only one who remembers The Laverne & Shirley cartoon?

I don't understand your problem. Surely you don't think the feminist movement of the 70s is the same as the feminist movement of today? The rights of women have improved considerably between then and now, for a start. What's the argument?

It's not obviously delusional if Lando was, as Kasdan declared, written as a 'pansexual'.

I think you should stop getting your movie reviews from Info Wars editors and start watching more Redlettermedia.

I don't get movie reviews from anywhere, but I'm insulted you think I would give Info Wars the time of day on any subject. RLM is wonderful and I basically agree with the entire review. I was dubious about the 'Pansexual' Lando, and I should really have assumed that it was a concoction of leftists to further their agenda. It was Kasdan's tweet that more brought the issue into actual discussion, because sarcasm in text is mostly undetectable.

Back to the question though, I concede L337 may be parody conceived by Miller and Lord, may have been the reason for their firing, or may have been exaggerated at the behest of the producer team. Nobody knows because the entire production is so troubled and complex.

All I do know is that she's utter shit no matter the reason for her being there and the worst thing about what is, on the whole, a rather successful Star Wars movie (bar box office).

So yeah this is actually a pretty decent movie.

Surprising isn't it? I mean, it's flawed in loads of places, and it's so dark I could barely distinguish features in the theatre (where the bulb was at half mast for sure) but it's a better attempt than anything since Jedi, I suppose.

[Xyga]

youtube is billion times more efficient brainwashing machine than a ridiculous show like info wars will ever be. anyway what do people say about self-awareness these days?

[Mischief Maker]

I don't get movie reviews from anywhere, but I'm insulted you think I would give Info Wars the time of day on any subject.

I checked back and it turned out emphatic was the one who linked the Paul Joseph Watson review of Black Panther, not you.

I apologize for the error.