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 Post subject: Re: Sangoku Justice - New project from CAVE [Genre/Plat Unkn
PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:27 pm 


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 Post subject: Re: Sangoku Justice - New project from CAVE [Genre/Plat Unkn
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 Post subject: Re: Sangoku Justice - New project from CAVE [Genre/Plat Unkn
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:24 am 


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This is not your typical fanbase. This is the kind of fanbase that takes a simple and straightforward story for children and obsessively regards it it like it's somewhere between high art and a religious experience, and respects the creator as a literal genius of our times as they gobble up all his related media.


As much as I loathe all four fanbases, I don't think this description is deserved on the subject of Undertale. I hate that it has such a cringeworthy fandom, because Undertale is genuinely great writing, head and shoulders above any of that other crap.


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I'm not talking about the fairly decent stg player fanbase, or the casual fans. Or the guys who just jerk off to a doujin once in a while. No, beyond all that, Touhou is the fucking MLP of Japan for some unfathomable reason.

I have stared into the abyss of Touhou fandom. And it has stared back into me.

It is fucking insane.

just look at the steam discussions on touhou, that is the fanbase
I would rather kill shmups on the spot than let it get overrun by those people
also a friendly reminder that japanese otaku tend to be even more subhuman than the western ones


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 Post subject: Re: Sangoku Justice - New project from CAVE [Genre/Plat Unkn
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 Post subject: Re: Sangoku Justice - New project from CAVE [Genre/Plat Unkn
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Sumez wrote:
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This is not your typical fanbase. This is the kind of fanbase that takes a simple and straightforward story for children and obsessively regards it it like it's somewhere between high art and a religious experience, and respects the creator as a literal genius of our times as they gobble up all his related media.


As much as I loathe all four fanbases, I don't think this description is deserved on the subject of Undertale. I hate that it has such a cringeworthy fandom, because Undertale is genuinely great writing, head and shoulders above any of that other crap.


Oh, I agree, and I probably should have made some slight notices of exception there. Undertale is a perfectly good game in my opinion. Not totally my thing, mind you: I have an inherent allergy to meta-plot elements, I've grown weary of silent protagonist driven narratives (particularly ones that also try to be character driven, hence I give no fucks about Persona 5 this year), and with those crucial threads (which the games narrative is really built around) broken I find the game a bit too easy on the gameplay front to really engage me...

...but for what it is, it's excellent, and I certainly respect it.

It did have a bit of that "secret sauce" though that appealed to the crazy demographic. That's not a knock on the writing, mind you. I think these things are flukes more than anything else.
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Whenever I'm referring to any of these poisonous fandoms in the future, I'll be using the term "Squire's secret sauce" until you come up with a better term, or manage to identify exactly what it is. :3


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 Post subject: Re: Sangoku Justice - New project from CAVE [Genre/Plat Unkn
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I'll be using the term "Squire's secret sauce" until you come up with a better term, or manage to identify exactly what it is. :3


:lol: Brilliant.
That was a Godly post anyhow, Squire.

The nail has taken a severe knock to the head.
Although.. I feel like I have a secret sauce reaction to Soulsborne. Maybe us From fans are guilty also.
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Sumez wrote:
Whenever I'm referring to any of these poisonous fandoms in the future, I'll be using the term "Squire's secret sauce" until you come up with a better term, or manage to identify exactly what it is. :3


It's something that leaves just enough holes open for someone else to fill-in-the-blank with whatever fucked up shit they want.

Yes, please take this completely out of context as well.


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I would rather kill shmups on the spot than let it get overrun by those people


Check out any recent pics/vids of Akihabara to get a sneak peak of what we're in for.

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also a friendly reminder that japanese otaku tend to be even more subhuman than the western ones


Also go check out any recent pics/vids of Akihabara.
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Unless you're going "praise the sun" at everything, you're clean.


When my yoga friend gave us a free lesson the other week, instead of the usual sun salutation with hands stretched up, I insisted on praising the sun instead.. arms stretched out.
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Also go check out any recent pics/vids of Akihabara.

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 Post subject: Re: Sangoku Justice - New project from CAVE [Genre/Plat Unkn
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That picture is awesome! Even better if it's a Yukkuri Version of Marisa. Or maybe Yukkuri Marisa as an object thingy(BFDI Reference(Particularly)).
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Also, about Sangoku Justice, more updates.

https://www.cave.co.jp/jp/5217/
https://3jus.jp/special4

That has something to do with robots something like War Robots.

Talk about some clue what the game would look like.
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 Post subject: Re: Sangoku Justice - New project from CAVE [Genre/Plat Unkn
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https://3jus.jp/#content4

anyone understand?
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oh boy.
As a new fan of shmups and recent lurker (a months give or take) this thread is quite depressing. In a previous version of this post I was gonna offer to setup an IRC channel to maybe keep a more active communication going but I guess that's a sign of why it's slowing down(or emacs just ruined my life forever, being 21 and suggesting IRC is a telltale sign of that). A discord could work though, and would be pretty cool especially for "newcomers"(all three of us).

I only 1cc'ed one game so far and that's been normal touhou 16 no-release, now working on mushihimesama(so keep that in mind) and I wanna talk a bit about the differences between the two especially after the surprisingly accurate depiction of the touhou deep end. The thing about touhou is that the focus is 99% on the characters.
First in gameplay: the stages are just a padding between the bosses most of the time and the patters not only are named but are beautiful and pretty intricate. while in cave games you are somehow reactive, touhous seem to be more about planning and rythm(on normal at least, on both cases), most shots(i've played) are either very wide or homing to some extend and the slightly wider area of movement allows for more predetermined streaming of bullets and less raw mid pattern reaction.
Then in story: touhou's characters are endearing, they're kind of like parodies of themselves and pretty "honest" if you will(kinda liek non fucked up versions of yoko taro characters) that's why most people who like them do. Sure there are those guys who wanna fuck everything and they attract more weird people, but so is life. It's important to recognize as well that they are characters, I am loving mushihimesama's art(reminds me a lot things like utena) and game in general but there are no characters there, same on dodonpachi and most others(they're ships, and a lot of times not even different ones apart from coloring).

Then there's the whole thing that ZUN is pretty much an alcoholic turboweeb who actually does what he loves and a lotta people just wanna be that and project HARD, hell i'm not a weeb and still wouldn't be that much of a bad life.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:34 am 


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qmish wrote:
https://3jus.jp/#content4

anyone understand?

It's a strategy game.
https://www.cave.co.jp/jp/5228/
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"strategy" is broad and blurred term, especially when used by japanese devs.
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KAI wrote:
Do I see strategy and real time action? back to the hype!

It is.
More updates again.
https://www.cave.co.jp/jp/5235/
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 Post subject: Re: Sangoku Justice - New project from CAVE [Genre/Plat Unkn
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Looks like what Vanillaware is trying to do with 13 Sentinels. Let's see if it plays well, I'm open to give this a shot even on an iPad.
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 Post subject: Re: Sangoku Justice - New project from CAVE [Genre/Plat Unkn
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This will be Drag Arms made by Cave, so hyped about the idea of a new overview mech game.
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This will be Drag Arms made by Cave, so hyped about the idea of a new overview mech game.

Nice try.
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 Post subject: Re: Sangoku Justice - New project from CAVE [Genre/Plat Unkn
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https://3jus.jp/special5
https://www.cave.co.jp/jp/5251/

But wait, there's more!

I think it's more than just a strategy game.
Not a shmup. Sorry but we would always have Gothic no Mahou Otome.
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Namiki doing the music, yay!
oh crap, he's talking about smartphones and speakers.

This clearly looks like real time combat, nice!
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is it legit strategy game like turn based strategy or rts or something

or

is it some modern dumbed down shit like tower defense or moba or whatever (yeah yeah punch me in face)
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 Post subject: Re: Sangoku Justice - New project from CAVE [Genre/Plat Unkn
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KAI wrote:
Namiki doing the music, yay!
oh crap, he's talking about smartphones and speakers.

This clearly looks like real time combat, nice!
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For iOS 10 and Android 5.
https://www.cave.co.jp/jp/5262/
CAVE is almost done with this.
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Also, I am preety sure that "βテスト" mentioned at https://www.cave.co.jp/jp/5262/ means that...

Sangoku Justice is now on BETA TEST!

Closed beta test implementation has been decided.
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Shepardus wrote:
Oh yeah, please do move this thread to off-topic. This game is almost certainly not a shmup.

Unlike Gothic no Mahou Otome, if I say so. It is a good thing it is on off-topic because it is now a strategy game.

But next time, good luck hoping for a shmup on the next project of CAVE. Guess what the game will look like.
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