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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Episode VIII) released 12/15/2
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:36 pm 


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So, about that Solo movie. There have been some leaked images from the Lego sets.
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one of them shows Han wearing a disguise of an Imperial officer. Looks similar to the AT-ST pilot from Jedi. I guess they're going to make a connection between that moment in a Jedi where Han says "I've got an idea" and it cuts to him impersonating an AT-ST pilot and the new movie. I'm ok with that I suppose, but do we really need yet another film where someone uses an Imperial disguise? Don't they have any other ideas?


... I'm going to call it, this Solo film will be the best one of these Disney movies.

Apparently they're still shooting.
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The teaser poster of the Disney/Lucasfilm Solo: A Star Wars Side Story with a May 24th, 2018 theatrical release date stateside. Should be interesting to learn about the backstory of how Solo got into the big debt fiasco with the vile & dangerous Jabba the Hutt & doing the infamous "Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs" stint. It's about damn time that we got a new Star Wars movie released during the traditional month of May (as with the OT and prequels back in the day) -- by releasing a new SW flick during the beginning of the 2018 summer movie blockbuster sweeps period will not affect it's potential earnings at the North American and international box office).

The Millennium Falcon as shown in SW-TFA and SW-TLJ has been upgraded to go faster than 0.5 beyond lightspeed (in the span of thirty years between the events that take place in RoTJ and TFA by various owners/smugglers). Am curious as to what it's current lightspeed capabilities are these days -- could Lucasfilm shed some light on to exactly what it is?

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Should be interesting to learn about the backstory of how Solo got into the big debt fiasco with the vile & dangerous Jabba the Hutt & doing the infamous "Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs" stint.


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It's a shame Mike can diss SW fans for being cultish, but five seconds later he defends STD, still holding out hope it'll magically start being not bad. If it was called anything else other than "Star Trek", he wouldn't care.

I don't really get why people get so attached to names. Any Shining Force game made after 3 isn't a Shining Force game, Ghostbusters: Answer the Call isn't Ghostbusters, Zombie Simpsons isn't The Simpsons, and STD isn't Star Trek. And that's okay.


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I fully expect this to be the best entry since ROTJ.


And called it.

Saw it tonight and it was certainly the best entry since ROTJ. As I mentioned several times over, Rian Johnson has some actual filmmaking ability, regardless of his flaws, and response from the set regarding him was good.

You may wonder how I knew all this stuff, and it's because my brother was one of the droid waiters in the casino (glad I can finally say that now!)

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The film was a mixed bag for me. Obviously superior to TFA and shat on the garbage that was Rogue One from the loftiest possible height. That said there were odd flaws in it that I thought were a shame because they brought down the whole a few pegs. Let's start with the bad:

Pacing and Editing:

After the rather good opening scene the movie lost its way trying to get into the splintered plot threads. Things here felt off-kilter and weak. It doesn't help at all that Daisy Ridley can't act for shit, but it did help that Mark Hamill was altogether superb, and did a better job of recapturing Luke Skywalker than Ford did of capturing Han.
But the training was fairly off in places. The cinematography was bland and certain edits were disjointed. I found a lot of weird edits throughout though, with people being in one place and then suddenly appearing in another, but so much was going on toward the end it didn't really matter.

I found that this was a movie of two halves, and after the casino prison break it really came into its own. Prior to that it was hitting some good notes, but the composition was somehow struggling to find a personality. It kept riffing on old stuff, but didn't feel like old stuff, if that makes sense. Whereas that was really turned around toward the end.

Casting:

So Daisy Ridley can't act, we've known that since the first, but she's in it now so nothing we can do. The Asian girl was passable but so many were so bad. Can we not put Laura Dern in another movie ever again? I mean my dream came true regarding her outcome in this one, but she's so fucking awful she ruined every scene she was in. Carrie Fisher, RIP, was more tolerable in this than in the first, but sadly still dialling it in. A few of the bit parts were rubbish, rebel help and pilots, but at least they were confined to (mostly) quick deaths.

Weirdness:

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Carrie Fisher doing a force Jesus and flying back from outer space into a spaceship's open wound. That looked, and was, absolutely awful. Can't believe they couldn't come up with a reshoot for that or axe it altogether. If you want her in a coma for most of the movie just have her hit her fucking head. Or maybe have her crack skulls and inadvertently kill Laura Dern before she gets on-screen.


And I think that's about it for criticism. I mean it had that Maz Kanata in it which was akin to seeing Jar Jar Binks reappear in, well, anything, but at least Johnson found a way to shelve her after about 30 seconds. I noticed a lot of fuck yous to Episode 7 in here actually, that I found kind of interesting.

For the good stuff, Adam Driver was much better used in this and gave a much stronger performance. Boyega was again, on form, and Oscar Isaac was a little more comfortable in the role. Hamill was surprisingly great, and Serkis did a good supreme leader act.

After the somehow odd first couple of acts, I found the whole thing eventually found its feet in the last half and kicked everything into overdrive. And it was great. Some of the best Star Wars I've seen since 1983. I liked Johnson's flair in places, a lot of quite dynamic action angles and some lovely violent head shots. Kylo Ren's lightsaber blink through the eye socket was gold.

And dat iron.

While a lot of the humour seemed off beat in the first half, it settled better in the second. The Asian lady sidekick was passable and Benicio Del Toro was a fairly good character. But mainly it was the action and the drama between Ren and Rei, Finn and everything, and the rebel forces battling the Empire (sorry, the Cheese Garden Republic or whatever they're called now).

There was dumb shit like

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If the Star Destroyers can't detect the transports leaving the Rebel vessel, why do you need to wait six hours to run out of fuel before deploying them


But I was mostly ok to look past that stuff because I was having a lot of fun by that point. Also I always wondered what happens if a lightspeed vessel collides with another, but I didn't think it would look that awesome.

So yeah, this met expectation. I was letdown in parts, but buoyed by others. It was way more entertaining than Guardians of the Galaxy, both 1 & 2, which I never really thought were that great anyway (good no-brainer filler with chronic American bad-humour-itis) and at least delivered some characters, drama, engaging action and tension - four things completely absent in the fiasco that was Rogue One.

I think I liked it.
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Skykid wrote:
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I fully expect this to be the best entry since ROTJ.


And called it.

Saw it tonight and it was certainly the best entry since ROTJ. As I mentioned several times over, Rian Johnson has some actual filmmaking ability, regardless of his flaws, and response from the set regarding him was good.


I don't think anyone is arguing that... even those that pointed out the rather large flaws. I'll agree, the guy is not useless... I just still can't see how a lot of that got past the editing room.

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I agree with you mainly, except on Dern & Boyega. Nothing wrong w/ Laura Dern, but not in a Star Wars roll, and certainly not directed by Johnson. Further proving that point: Isaac in Star Wars versus Isaac in anything else (recommend Inside Llewyn Davis). Note I am likely coming off of my Twin Peaks high still, so a bit of bias. Nobody will ever be David Lynch though so I should probably get used to it.

Boyega does nothing for me except remind me that I'm old, and not in a good way. He is "this generation" through and through. Maybe I just hate the lines they gave him.

But yeah to everything else. Better than TFA. Better than Rogue one. Hammil: shockingly amazing.
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Nah, Dern's shit. Granted she was even more shit in this than, I don't know, The Founder - but generally speaking she's never been much of an actor. No more plz!

Also, Boyega is fairly good. Certainly not a typical Hollywood star, but he can meet roles. He was good in Detroit too, which is worth a watch if you haven't.

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Why would there be a large number of Chinese Star Wars fans, and why would this perform any better than Rogue One there?

Was 1999 the first time one of these films got a wide release there?


Nobody can relate here. The theatre tonight was IMAX screen one and about 10% full. When TFA came out they had massive standees all over cinemas explaining the backstory of the OT.

In this one they actually put character profiles and backstories next to each character ON SCREEN as they appeared... Was that in the English version?

Alas, they can't figure out what's going on. They feel as though they're watching a movie that's started in the last act. It's generally confusing, and the flimgoer reviews online reflect this. I think someone wrote TLJ is confusing nonsense and he had no idea what he was watching for the entire duration.

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So are you of the opinion that it was good, or bad? I'm not quite getting a judgement on it from your review.
I have remained spoiler free on it so far but am fairly certain TLJ is going to pull a few dead fish out of its bag and slap me across the face with them.
Even have a fair idea what they might be.

Just saw that Dern is in it? :? How can this be? Must be as incongruous in the SW universe as Portman uttering the world "pregnant" in her American squeak.
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Further proving that point: Isaac in Star Wars versus Isaac in anything else (recommend Inside Llewyn Davis).
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Also; please tell me they do not have more wide shots of him running?
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Also, Boyega is fairly good. Certainly not a typical Hollywood star, but he can meet roles. He was good in Detroit too, which is worth a watch if you haven't.


Was going to... didn't make it to the film festival, then kinda fell off my radar. Read that they took a lot of liberties w/ facts, but I guess that's what happens to movies.
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Further proving that point: Isaac in Star Wars versus Isaac in anything else (recommend Inside Llewyn Davis).
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Also; please tell me they do not have more wide shots of him running?

Haha... forgot about those. I can't quite recall but I think we can assume that dead fish is in there. :)
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I think I liked it.


I'm happy for you.
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Should be interesting to learn about the backstory of how Solo got into the big debt fiasco with the vile & dangerous Jabba the Hutt & doing the infamous "Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs" stint.

I think that was covered somewhere back in the late 90's.. In the Jedi Academy trilogy of novels maybe?

iirc, there is some place with subterranean spiders whose crystalline webs; when consumed, act as an illicit drug which enables clairvoyance. Han was smuggling a load of it for Jabba's cartel, and as we all know he had to jettison it. I think whichever book it was went into more detail about why he had to dump the cargo. And then somebody; Han again?, had to navigate the Kessel run once again.
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Sadly, this bored the piss out of me. There was no real justification for anything that happened, and just too many ridiculous of the story to even enjoy it as pure escapism. I actually had to watch it in two parts I found it that uninteresting. TFA I've watched twice since the theatrical release - it's OK, nothing brilliant, but nothing offensive. Rogue One I enjoyed a surprisingly large amount, simply for dropping so many SW tropes and being a fun action movie, will watch again. This? It would share shelf space with the prequels, if I'd ever bothered to pick them up.
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Some bits I noticed about VIII.

Disney likes Earth style planets in Star Wars
Ships have fuel. :wink:
The force causes a whole host of massive coincidences to happen to drive a story along :?
I almost floated out of my chair when the Falcon took on the Tie fighters and the music kicked in 8)


That casino section was retarded. We have a code breaker that is locked up for no reason, because at any time he can get out. But he doesn't want to get out until our heroes arrive.
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TLJ is full of dumb shit, no doubt, and is far from perfect. The aspects it fucks with from the OT (Luke basically) are kind of down to the audience to roll with or get offended by, it doesn't matter much either way.

But credit to Johnson, it has a gear that TFA doesn't ever reach. It's evident from the opening action sequence that there's some skill involved, and that comes back in the last half in fairly entertaining layers.

It is so much better than Rogue One it's quite unbelievable anyone would even bother comparing the two. Rogue One is such a massive pile of disposable shit-heap drivel I might even venture to call it the worst SW movie ever made. It's certainly the most boring.
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TLJ is full of dumb shit, no doubt, and is far from perfect. The aspects it fucks with from the OT (Luke basically) are kind of down to the audience to roll with or get offended by, it doesn't matter much either way.

But credit to Johnson, it has a gear that TFA doesn't ever reach. It's evident from the opening action sequence that there's some skill involved, and that comes back in the last half in fairly entertaining layers.

It is so much better than Rogue One it's quite unbelievable anyone would even bother comparing the two. Rogue One is such a massive pile of disposable shit-heap drivel I might even venture to call it the worst SW movie ever made. It's certainly the most boring.

From a film buff perspective, I'd imagine it definitely is (and if you'd asked me which Disney-SW movie I'd choose first to rewatch, it'd most likely be TLJ because it's not fundamentally boring).
To me the canon fuckery and meta-trolling was a partial source of amusement as I was devilishly imagining how much the movie would piss off the diehard fans (as it turned out, very). It's not like the franchise wouldn't be thoroughly defiled after the Mouse got its gloves on it, might as well get used to seeing crossover movies between Star Wars and Kingdom Hearts featuring CGI renditions of Expanded Universe characters with a big fat CANON tattooed on their forehead.

If only the story and tone could be coherent as well, then it'd be undeniably good on top of being controversial to rub it in even more of those who hate it. Though gauging by Rian Johnson's Twitter feed, I cannot tell whether the man decided to make the most of somehow being appointed director/writer for fucking Star Wars and leaving a giant mess behind because of his animosity for J.J. Abrams who will have to deal with Rian's shit in the next sequel, or whether he's just bain dramaged. A true enigma.
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I think it's a combination. Johnson hated what Abrams did and clearly went in with a mind to redress and undermine his work, while also being passionate for the material. TLJ has the better use of music too, really brought back the themes in a solid way. Again, I wasn't really feeling the first half, but he did a fine job toward the end and I quite liked him ruining Abrams SW debut.

It's obvious from the off when Kylo Ren destroys his mask that Johnson wanted to send a big fuck you to TFA.
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Since Disney took over, we still haven't figured out how the bad guys got this bad at ending wars, or why anyone is really scared of them. In TFA they shot 5 or 6 planets. Yet not a single important person was recorded to be on any of them and in addition, the good guys spectate it from a nearby planet which wasn't shot out of space. Its like Russian roulette in reverse.

If you watch TFA trailer, that was some good shit.

I know SW is a money spinner, but for me I wouldn't have made a SW movie if I could not match the OT for its soap opera characteristics and charm. Kylo Ren needed to be darker and more mysterious, above all he needed to be really cool and kick ass and scary. Not a whiney bitch that holds a crucifix light saber. Some of the design choices of TFA are what is holding back the new trilogy in general.
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Safe sanitized (or infantilized) violence* is indeed a basic foundation of these movies.

Also narratively no one the audience has an emotional connection to can be allowed to be killed by a planet that got blowed up. (Remember how Darth Vader killed millions and millions of kids? Wasn't shown in close up on-screen detail so no one remembers that.)

This isn't M*A*S*H or Terminator 2. That kinda thing would be depressing! Like... an anti-power fantasy.

........ ..... ..... this handicap of course means that Death Stars are the absolute worst possible thing to try to make the Empire appear threatening. They're not going to do shit, the audience knows it, seen it a million times.

I want that nerf herding movie, dangit. At six movies a year, they got room in the schedule for it.




* One feature I always liked about from Empire was the acknowledgment that you can't deal violence without suffering violence in return. Luke's encounter with the abominable snowman and the loss of his hand was a good start. The idea that he'd become a broken down weapon of mass destruction like Vader was kewl. And a good basis for him becoming tired of it all, and forsaking violence after the war.

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* One feature I always liked about from Empire was the acknowledgment that you can't deal violence without suffering violence in return. Luke's encounter with the abominable snowman and the loss of his hand was a good start. The idea that he'd become a broken down weapon of mass destruction like Vader was kewl. And a good basis for him becoming tired of it all, and forsaking violence after the war.

In order to...

herd nerfs, perhaps?


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Let's just make Luke a shamelessly duty-derelicting sack of shit instead. That's all dramatic and shiet. ESPECIALLY when he gets HEROES REDEMPTION and saves the ten or so people who've not been massacred by the end!

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Yo we need a new Smoky Bear for the #woke generation, to complement New Luke. Now he'll snarl SNITCHES GET STITCHES if you report a forest fire, especially one you started.

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I finally got around to watching this controversial flick last weekend. I'm not really a huge Star Wars fan, admittedly. I like the (unmolested) original 3 movies (mostly the first 2) for being what they are, late 70s and early 80s space operas with nice practical effects for the time and an engaging enough story arc. I tried to go in without any negative expectations.

This movie.. I can't make heads or tails of it. I found TFA to be a fairly bland retread of ANH, without much soul of it's own but serviceable enough for entertainment purposes. TLJ was a confusing, jarring movie that felt like it needed to be an hour shorter, and have half as many characters.

Some things I didn't mind, the Porgs or whatever were OK I guess, not terribly intrusive. Leia's "Mary Poppins" moment wasn't nearly as bad as a lot of people were saying IMO. The most bothersome things about the movie really seemed to be the overabundance of characters that really didn't have much going on for them, or added nothing to the narrative. Poe, Fynn, Rose, etc.

The movie just doesn't flow well, I found myself really bored during at least half of it, baffled at other times by strange moments. Like Luke sarcastically tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder like Mark Hamill just rolled his eyes and redid the take, prank phone call to a star destroyer, and force projection Luke brushing off shoulder in swagger like fashion. The humor felt jarring and forced, unlike the simple banter and commentary in previous films.

On the bright side there were some good moments, the MF scenes in the end, the force pushing/battle over the lightsaber, the hyperdrive jump through a star destroyer, etc.

5/10 I guess? Too messy to be considered good, shows enough competence in key moments to not be considered horrible. A real jigsaw puzzle of a movie.


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Can someone explain to me what's going on with the hate-brigade posting crap all over YouTube about this movie?

I genuinely don't understand why some people can't digest what's in-front of their eyes. I've seen "reviews" (that's in quotation marks because we're talking about low IQ bedroom dwellers shouting at their webcam) where the guy starts by saying, "Now I loved Rogue One, great movie, great characters" which instantly undermines the credibility of the entire 45 minute rant before they've even started. That said, I'm still somewhat mystified by the size of the backlash here and I'm trying to figure it out. Let's do a brief pros and cons:

PROS

- Better than TFA
- More entertaining than any SW movie since Jedi
- Relatable characters
- Breakneck pacing in the latter half
- Superbly directed action sequences
- Genuine dramatic intrigue
- Mark Hamill giving a performance
- Yoda being the OG
- Kylo Ren


CONS

- Ridley still can't act
- Laura Dern
- Mary Poppins Force Fisher
- Uneven pacing in the first half
- Uneven tone in the first half
- Throwaway secondary characters
- Finn's escapades not having a great deal of purpose
- Luke's arc not necessarily being what fans expect

Overall, I don't see the cons as being enough to make the film an "objectively bad movie" as people keep saying. A movie with flaws? Sure, full of them. But this is Star Wars by Disney, not The Last Temptation of Christ. This is about guys with laser swords running around desert planets and flying spaceships: it's dumb by design.

Now I know that 99% of every ranting neckbeard and wannabee critic with a mic literally have no genuine ability to critique film in any form, that much is established. Simply they don't know anything about film, they only know about Star Wars and the MCU; but still, I really don't understand the level of negativity for this one when it's clearly one of the better overall efforts. Hope someone can enlighten me.
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Skykid wrote:
- Luke's arc not necessarily being what fans expect


It's not a fan thing, it's a basic failure of writing. This isn't plausibly the same character. They turned Luke into a despicable coward for no better reason than their needing Dagobah Training Sequence mkII.

To clarify, by despicable cowardice I'm not talking about the murder attempt. That was fine, it underlined the incomprehensible menace of Kylo, and a competent writer could've easily used it to depict a shamed Luke without assassinating him into NEETdom. But then, they needed Dagobah Training Sequence mkII. Someone's gotta be a recluse waiting to die in obscurity!

His "redemption" arc is a bad joke as well. You've gotta suffer and sacrifice a whole hell of a lot more than your miserable life at that point, chumley!

Believe me, I don't care about any of these movies beyond the most disposable popcorn entertainment (I haven't and likely never will watch Rogue One or whatever other "Star Wars Stories" are in the pipeline - I'd sooner watch "Ian Beale Stories" tbh). But I firmly believe there's an art to DPE - there's no need or excuse for such shoddy writing. Fans or not, the backlash is right on this count.
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Because it's a terrible script. It's well made, well acted, but almost everything that happens is dreadful.

Rose - a pointless character, a pointless mission and the "heroic" saving of Finn.
Finn - wasted because he had to be with Rose.
Poe - what was that all about? A massive part of the film could've been avoided if Dern had just told him what was going on. This was like an episode of The Walking Dead. What's the lesson learned? Follow orders mindlessly.
Luke -well, it's ok I suppose. A bit pathetic isn't it? How is having a hologram fight which isn't actually a fight better than you know, a real fight? We could've seen him take down those (pointless) walkers.
Snoke - a waste.
Leia - do I even need to?
Chewey - Nothing. He didn't do anything. Killed a couple of Porgs and felt bad.
DJ - yet another character in this overstuffed film. I did like his viewpoint though. Trouble is, he was stuck in the most boring part of the movie.
Opening space battle and the whole set up for the film - running out of fuel, turning a ship into a hyperspace bomb - thereby making every other space battle in every Star Wars film pointless, including the one we had to sit through an hour before.

The good. I liked Rey, thought she was better in this. Liked the stuff between her and Kylo. I think the scene with a Snoke is one of the best scenes in any Star Wars film.
R2 showing Luke the original Leia message was also great.

I don't get YouTube either, but I guess there are a lot of Star Wars lore fans out there and this movie fucks them up. I don't like it because it doesn't seem like Star Wars. It's more like a Star Trek film, or Galactica. That and it was boring.

I just realised I repeated a load of stuff from previous posts. To be honest, I'm surprised you like it as much as you do.
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Poe - what was that all about? A massive part of the film could've been avoided if Dern had just told him what was going on. This was like an episode of The Walking Dead. What's the lesson learned? Follow orders mindlessly.


They guy defied orders at the beginning, got the entire bomber squadron wiped out along with a sizeable amount of fighter cover. Of course you're not going to pander to the tantrums of a recently demoted arrogant officer who lost you resources you could really do with right now.

Yeah the lesson is respect the chain of command because your cocky arse gets people pointlessly killed.


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It just failed to engage me on any level, I didn't really know WHY stuff was going on in the first half, and by the second I didn't care. Felt like a grab bag of ideas with no real narrative to hold it together. I've never been bored first time through a SW film, even the prequels were watchable once.
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