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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Episode VIII) released 12/15/2
PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:59 pm 


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At the premiere, Hamill went in looking optimistic and peppy. When he came out, sitting by the director, he was making that unusual facial expression of a destroyed man. The speculation is:

* He looks really hurt, almost has tears in his eyes, and he's angry. Maybe he didn't know what they did to Luke in post, the internet theorist suggests.

* He's just sad from seeing his dead friend Carrie up on the screen.

* Drugs, maybe?

* He's just a weirdo.



One thing I'm really curious about is why did Lucas sell his baby to Disney, when it seems like he really didn't want to? Besides the truckload of money and pressure they put on him to sell.

The evil empire of the mouse is terrifying. Just a few days ago they gobbled up FOX - another step toward their monopoly and eventual domination of the world.


Speaking of That Bitch Lucas... I just had a horrible realisation: his making Luke go "AIEEEEEEE! OH JESUS FUCK NOOOO!" after rejecting Vader in one of the ESB reissues ("he is falling down, when people fall down they scream, i was always embarrassed he did not scream" / Rich Evans) is actually less tone-deaf than what this movie did to the character. Like, not even worth mentioning in comparison.

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In honor of him, I might have to call copyright infringement on that...
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Mixed bag for me.... long list of thoughts below


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Finn and Rose (Rose guilty by association) had nothing but busy work to do...

They had no clue what to do with them, certainly nothing meaningful. Rose was just there to give Finn a needless tacked on romance at the end sealed with a kiss (I groaned out loud). Granted, I HATE tacked on last minute romances period. Wasn't much of a fan of what Benicio del Toro brought to the table either to be honest.

Leia's Marry Poppins moment... wasn't really feeling that. Not the way they put it on screen anyway. If they were going to do that they could have done it in a way that was easier to swallow. Like not drifting unconcious and make it more of a immediate return. Hell Luke almost froze to death on a planet (Hoth) himself.

It's to bad, it's like I got a plate with a good main course but it's been mixed with some other things on the plate that are not appealing to me.

I like the mail story and thought Rei stepped up her range as a character, same with Kylo. I enjoyed old Luke as well.

Phasma... totally wasted. That fight was short and almost pointless other than to just see her for a hot minute. Defeat by convenient elevator. I don't even mind if that elevator saved Finn conveniently but it was also the reason he beat her?!

BB8 spewing out a seemingly infinite amount of coins and secret rebellion decoder rings....

The end scene with the kid and broom, was waiting for Tinker Bell to show up and sprinkle some pixie dust and they fly away.

I also think it would have been way better to replace that whole casino side quest with a "we have a traitor on-board" scenario. Someone is behind the location tracking on board. Then make that reveal of who it is an impactful and shocking one (a REAL betrayal). I would have possibly made it Finn. He deserted, he was with the Empire... It sets him up to play a major part with a huge (shocking) betrayal, especially for the next film. It also gives him a chance to really earn some acting cred and be essential to this new trilogy. The next movie make him a real villain. Plus with Phasma, there would be alot to play with.

Maybe have it so he really wanted to leave the Empire but once he did Phasma made him an offered he couldn't refuse? Or maybe that was the plan all along. A "manchurian candidate" scenario? Alot of possibilities there one way or the other.
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Here's that vid of Mark Hamill after the premier - weird.

https://youtu.be/eZlw64mI228

The Half in the Bag review is very good, not only talking about the film but also the political rally style conventions. It's gone from being a fan of a movie into some other kind of belief system. It means so much to people they lose any objectivity.

They could make crap movie after crap movie and there would still be this massive fan base because the films are just a small part of it now.

I wonder if we will ever know what George Lucas had in mind for this trilogy. Going into these 3 films and not having a vague idea of where it's going was really dumb.
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I also think it would have been way better to replace that whole casino side quest with a "we have a traitor on-board" scenario. .


I was SO sure this was gonna happen... then when I saw that it wasn't. Ugh...
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I wonder if we will ever know what George Lucas had in mind for this trilogy. Going into these 3 films and not having a vague idea of where it's going was really dumb.


Nobody will... even him. He has changed his mind and tune so much over the years that he really just says whatever is convenient.
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The Half in the Bag review is very good


I always take these guys with a grain of salt... but this review is pretty spot on (for me personally) in alot of ways.
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the political rally style conventions. It's gone from being a fan of a movie into some other kind of belief system. It means so much to people they lose any objectivity.


It's kinda like that for any nerd thing that gets big enough to fill a church, isn't it?

As I've said before, the original movie trilogy was the start of the mass market summer blockbuster. From Transformers to Marvel. When at its core nearly every movie is a clone of Star Wars, with the only difference being the aesthetic, how can you make their basic archetype feel special again?

..Basically I'm just jealous we don't have mass for Ghostbusters, too. What the hell, society.

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I was SO sure this was gonna happen... then when I saw that it wasn't. Ugh...


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And since they didn't go with that... I was left puzzled as to why they kept Poe (and others) in the dark. Not unless it was just a pissing contest "respect my authority" thing or was I suppose to assume that it was out of fear of a possible traitor or leak without that ever coming up or explored at all in the actual movie itself? Did I miss something?

With the purple hair along with Poe's reaction being "THAT's Admiral Holdo? Just not what I was expecting" was it suppose to be some sort of "mansplaining" lesson?

Either way.... the direction they went with it all didn't really click and left me a bit puzzled. Then there is just the fact that it lead to that whole awful pointless side quest versus something that didn't suck or made more sense.
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Just got a ticket today, will give my first impression once I finished it.
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The Star Wars is a fun junk food thing. 'Neat twists and turns. However, it spends most of its plot buildups on subverting expectations to create this sort of less-satisfying new meta in plot twists. 'Significant multi-film build-ups leading to lacking payoffs. The similarities to past films are still a reminder of diminishing returns. The movie is cool to have happened, but like VII, most of the thing starts to feel halfass if you put thought into much of what events took place.
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Setpieces looking like unimaginative Earth activities,
themes of preservation instead of self-sacrifice, except purple-hair commander and Luke kamikaze anyway,
manufactured romantic comedy tension from omission and misunderstandings, the Poe evacuation plan, Luke had a chance to tell Poe and Leia to run before going to projection-breakdance-fight, Luke watching Ben Solo sleep in any capacity,
Let's wind-down the black empires vs white rebellions and setup the next major conflicts to be class warfare and liberating labor camps from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom,
Omitting the end to Kylo-Rey fight, skipping her entire escape from Snoke's ride to the Falcon, then showing up in a episode IV Han-copy spaceship save to aid the copy-paste tension of a death star trench run, but stapled onto the copy-paste of Battle of Hoth without ATAT tripwires,
John Williams recycling music from unrelated scenes.


Star Wars storytelling feels a lot like Dragon Ball. It's only really good in the small moments and the OMG WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT, but the overall stories are horseshit when you view them as a whole, an act, or a plot.

You have a
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ship hyperspacing through shielded flagships as a one-hit-kill. Best scene in the movie, yeah! Now it trivializes like, five other films. You're telling me every death star and star destroyer could have died instantly by hyperspacing a truck through it,
so why do anything dramatic at all?


What's more interesting than VII or VIII is this nerdculture continuing to prop the franchise up as these end-all tentpole events. Why do the most entertaining reviewers like Plinkett only come out of the woodwork to expend great energy to tear down mediocre sci-fi cinema? Why is there a significant population who claims to dislike the film, yet quickly purchased multiple tickets and spent the extra time seeing it twice or more? Why are "longtime" outraged fans unable to spot copy-paste parallels like
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faux-badass Phasma is a faux-badass Boba Fett,
crotchety sarcastic Luke is crotchety sarcastic episode V Yoda,
Luke's poor-communication self-sacrifice to assist a group escape is episode IV Kenobi poor-communication self-sacrifice to assist a group escape,
backstabber DJ Codebreaker is backstabber Lando,
Kylo betraying Snoke is Vader betraying Palpatine,
Rey's shockingly insignificant parents reveal is Luke's shocking Vader-dad reveal.
What underbelly of social currency do people have to gain here? Is it time to conclude that the "understood" quality of intelligence among nerds, geeks, and dorks is no longer there? Should we collectively decide that nerds, geeks, and dorks are just stupid, stupid inferior people jocks should go back to violently bullying?

I dunno mang. Nerds chasing google trends makes everybody look like dumb bottomfeeders.

Oh and drinking a flask before the movie starts and not wanting to go pee hurts my bladder. John Williams score now conditions stomach pains.

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We're simple tribal creatures. Whatever the tribe's doing, we wanna be a part of it.

A decent article explaining why social acceptance was the most important goal for a human being to attain in evolutionary terms.


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Your article is worthy justification this phenomena can and will happen.
But there's no good consistency of it. I imply nerdculture should be "smart enough" to see through regular bullshit. We pick appropriate winners and losers occasionally and go completely insane with others. What market forces are deciding when nerdculture "authentic voice" observes true junk and true quality? Why does this routinely fail and that would imply "the mammoth" wins?

Like, VII, after 3 junk special edition films and 3 crap prequels, does a genderswap reboot to become a biggest moneymaker ever, then dogpiled because it was a copy-paste "SJW" job. Ghostbusters gets the same genderswap soft reboot, it's correctly identified as crap, it fails. "But misogyny" they say, yet, Wonder Woman is correctly identified as worthy and also succeeds. "Oh but that's because old property comic books." I guess that'd be fair, but Valarian was old comic book in space and that didn't sell when it should have done better. The Mummy and Tarzan recent stuff was from old property and that failed correctly. We correctly ignored Amazing Spider Man 2 and Fantastic Fours despite constant advertising pushes. Xmen identified a correct sales decline after much halfassery throughout the series, but why does Xmen tank aside from Logan, but Star Wars and DC can pull revenue no matter what? Space-influence comic books from old stuff Batman vs Superman, Suicide Squad, Justice League. These had all the obvious markings of crap quality, but they got the ticket sales pass and became very, very widely discussed and tricked everybody anyway. John Carter and Eragon trilogies from old books failed of midieval-ish star wars but Game of Thrones books succeeds with straight medieval. Jurrasic World got the soft reboot working despite the diminished quality, later nerdrage, and coming off 2 previously crap sequels. Then Ready Player One will be born out of a successful book where all I've heard is the writing is crap and it is a pile of references. But we'll not be able to see through this ruse, right? Because we suck? We let new Blade Runner fail. Was that because we were smart enough to know it needs to be recut four times first? Or can we not really identify smarter slow films without comic superheroes?
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Watched it today. What I liked was very good, and what I didn't wasn't very bad, IMHO. I look forward to watching it again when the home release is out. I really liked Kylo Rens fighting style it's very emotional yet effective. Also, I was surprised how many times I actually laughed out loud at, you know, jokes.
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I imply nerdculture should be "smart enough" to see through regular bullshit.


They're just people, not ubermensches. No better than a hobbyist that likes fishing or working on cars or pingpong.

Star Wars particularly is a mass market product, not meant for a niche. If you hadn't noticed, the internet nerds seem Luke warm on the latest installment. The normies who like blockbusters seem to like it very much.

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Like, VII, after 3 junk special edition films and 3 crap prequels, does a genderswap reboot to become a biggest moneymaker ever, then dogpiled because it was a copy-paste "SJW" job. Ghostbusters gets the same genderswap soft reboot, it's correctly identified as crap, it fails. "But misogyny" they say, yet, Wonder Woman is correctly identified as worthy and also succeeds. "Oh but that's because old property comic books." I guess that'd be fair, but Valarian was old comic book in space and that didn't sell when it should have done better. The Mummy and Tarzan recent stuff was from old property and that failed correctly. We correctly ignored Amazing Spider Man 2 and Fantastic Fours despite constant advertising pushes. Xmen identified a correct sales decline after much halfassery throughout the series, but why does Xmen tank aside from Logan, but Star Wars and DC can pull revenue no matter what? Space-influence comic books from old stuff Batman vs Superman, Suicide Squad, Justice League. These had all the obvious markings of crap quality, but they got the ticket sales pass and became very, very widely discussed and tricked everybody anyway. John Carter and Eragon trilogies from old books failed of midieval-ish star wars but Game of Thrones books succeeds with straight medieval. Jurrasic World got the soft reboot working despite the diminished quality, later nerdrage, and coming off 2 previously crap sequels. Then Ready Player One will be born out of a successful book where all I've heard is the writing is crap and it is a pile of references. But we'll not be able to see through this ruse, right? Because we suck? We let new Blade Runner fail. Was that because we were smart enough to know it needs to be recut four times first? Or can we not really identify smarter slow films without comic superheroes?


2016 Ghostbusters and 2017 Blade Runner pulled in hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue - a lower budget and in the case of Ghostbusters, less spent on marketing and bribing critics, would have yielded a moderate success.

Quality isn't the determining factor of what catches fire, it's just a matter of "how many people want to see this." The Mummy 2017 being a great example of the movie no one but execs wishing they had a franchise like Marvel wanted; SNL (for Ghostbusters) was a much bigger deal in the 80's than it is now.

While I wouldn't have spent any of my money to watch Lord of the Rings if not for some peers who wanted to go and see it, at the same time I would have missed out on Bubba Ho-Tep if not for the infoweb of social connections.


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TLJ is surprisingly good imo, better than TFA and not a blatant rehash of ESB. There are some couple things that's really sucks about it.
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+ Awesone opening space battle
+ Porg is really cute, those haters maybe Ewok fans :lol:
+ Admiral Holdo do a kamikaze attack, definitely best scene in the entire movie
+ This time, neither light or dark side are actually good nor bad. Kylo Ren's motives do makes sense at all.
+ Glad the 'relation twist' is not present in TLJ.

- Ackbar killed off screen, wtf!?
- Leia's better to die, everything after opening space battle her role almost useless.
- Finn and Rose should be better as best friend/partner.
- Didn't enjoy much Battle of Crait, everything except Luke shows up there.
- Phasma really waste of time, her role could have better especially on next episode.
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This movie was fantastic.

I was pretty down on Star Wars after the prequels but the new stuff has fixed it for me.
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Almost laughed every time the comic relief bird things were on screen because I kept thinking about Weinstein fucking it in the mouth. Goddamn you, BIL <3. And really had to control myself during that Leia scene. Interesting choice there!

Personally thought it was mediocre. Didn't hate it, didn't really like it. Most people have already expressed my thoughts, so I won't delve in too much. Looks spectacular when things are going boom, but every trace of emotion is squandered with a quick pick-me-up comic relief directly after. God forbid the audience feels an emotional weight. Some pretty awkward deliveries, too. Can't say I've been head over heels over these new ones, but I've at least had some sort of fun. This one just left me kinda empty. At least Nien Nunb still manages to turn up to throw his hands in the air.


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How extensive editing rescued Star Wars

For those that loved TLJ, watch this, then think if any of these practices could have been applied to TLJ... without having to deal with the pains of film stock or analogue anything. An interesting watch either way.

And for good measure, not new, but worth a look: David Lynch's Return of the Jedi Trailer.
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How extensive editing rescued Star Wars

For those that loved TLJ, watch this, then think if any of these practices could have been applied to TLJ... without having to deal with the pains of film stock or analogue anything. An interesting watch either way.


That's a great 20 minute vid. That's real nuts and bolts filmmaking. None of that in the prequels or these modern takes on Star Wars. There's stuff in there I didn't know about, particularly the ending, where they created the danger for the rebels. Amazing stuff.

I think with TLJ some trimming could make it better, but the problem with it is the actual story. So, yes, cut
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Canto Bight but then you're screwed as to Finn and Rose, how do they get on the Star Destroyer. It doesn't even matter that they're on the Star Destroyer, so that can go... Just have them turn up in Crait and skip their whole story.


I guess it would be easy to
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About Luke
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what does he actually die for. He buys the a Rebels a few minutes to escape at most - but doesn't tell them that's what he's doing. It's so dumb. I can't see any reason why it's better for Luke to be a projection rather than actually be there. If he was there we could have got an epic lightsaber fight with Kylo killing Luke. Same result but with much more depth.

When Luke found out about Han's death that should've been the kick up the ass to stop his moping about.

There are basic problems with the script that no amount if editing and make up for.
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That's a great 20 minute vid. That's real nuts and bolts filmmaking. None of that in the prequels or these modern takes on Star Wars.


I think the prequels are like an order of magnitude worse offenders than the modern take. They still suffer from lack of tension though. I didn't make it through the whole Red Letter Media review of the Phantom Menace, but somewhere in the first half they even show Lucas at a prescreening saying he kinda took it too far w/ everything being an intertwined shit bowl.

My "just do this and make TLJ way better shortlist":

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Just give Finn & Rose something else altogether. Get rid of the border-line deus ex machina "code breaker" bullshit. You can still get them on the Death star somehow, but just as easily do something else as well. Maybe somehow come up w/ another Empire strong hold and have the battle fought on two fronts, a la Return of the Jedi (Endor + Death Star)? Dunno... but literally anything is better than what they did. TBH, the whole "we're almost out of fuel, and can't jump to light speed" I was lukewarm on at best, so that whole thing could have been redone.


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Not end on a borderline happy note. The rebels got the shit kicked out of them, but everyone was fingering each other in the ass in the last scene.
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The best thing about these new SW movies is the trailer to 7. That was so perfect for me. The movie however was really disappointing at the cinema. I did warm up to it a bit on blu ray at home though.

I will watch ep8 before the year is out. I'm hoping what everyone doesn't like I will like. Since 80+% of SW fans liked 7 and I didn't really feel it.

One thing I don't understand is why take away the OST in 7. The atmosphere in the originals was heavily dosed in John williams dramatic themes which seem to have gone AWOL. Hopefully 8 has some really big moments doused in John Williams dramatic themes again so we can rejoice that Disney knows how to make a good SW movie.
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The best thing about these new SW movies is the trailer to 7.


Yep, I think you're right. The "Chewie, we're home" from the second teaser was the highlight. I got to say, seeing TLJ really shows the strengths of TFA.

I'm going to see TLJ again tomorrow. The trouble with it is there are so many parts that you could do better. After watching the OT the only thing that bothers me is the end fight between Luke and Vader. It's such a small thing, but when Vader is searching for Luke under the throne room Luke shouts before attacking Vader. It's a tiny thing, but he could've just attacked him silently. Everything else in the OT I'm fine with. At no point do I think "it would've been better if...". It all works.

TLJ is chock full of shit ideas. But it's somewhat well directed and acted, so it's enjoyable in a "leave your brain at the door" kind of way.
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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Episode VIII) released 12/15/2
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:45 pm 


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"I'll fix it in post." - George Lucas, who gets distracted making a salad unboxing video and forgetting to fix it in post

The Phantom Edit With Commentary is also available in full on the youtube. He talks a lot about the vast quantity of "Jar Jar Antics" that makes every scene be about that gungan's wacky antics. Also "Anakin Antics" which makes every helpful contribution of Anakin during a battle accidental.

It's funny hearing what a Star Wars fan was hoping to see in its sequels back then. The whole idea of the clone wars being about creating an army of Jedi clones, Luke's father being a clone of Anakin that he killed (thus "resolving" the ret-con issue that made Obi-Wan into a filthy lying liar)... all this speculation is way more interesting than the movies themselves.

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Luke shouts before attacking Vader. It's a tiny thing, but he could've just attacked him silently.


What. That doesn't sound very chivalrous!

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It all works.


Vader's still a massive hypocrite jerkwad

His kid > billions and billions of kids.


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 Post subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Episode VIII) released 12/15/2
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http://variety.com/2018/film/news/the-last-jedi-china-box-office-1202655733/

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“Star Wars: The Last Jedi” has stumbled in China with a mediocre $28.7 million opening weekend, marking the first real disappointment for the Disney-Lucasfilm tentpole.

Though the number was enough to push the tentpole past $1.2 billion worldwide, it indicates a disappointing result for China, the second biggest market in the world and “The Last Jedi’s” last territory. The second weekend of Chinese comedy “The Ex-File: The Return of the Exes” won the session. The results were not a complete surprise, with China box office data released Friday showing “The Ex-File” taking in $15.7 million in early screenings, compared to “The Last Jedi’s” $7 million — despite the latter having far more screens.

China represents the only real faltering for “The Last Jedi,” which dominated the worldwide marketplace when it opened in mid-December. The franchise has not been able to find deep traction among Chinese audiences so far. “Star Wars: The Force Awakens,” the first in the franchise to get a wide release, took in a respectable $124 million two years ago after opening to $52 million and “Rogue One,” which featured two Chinese stars Donnie Yen and Jiang Wen, earned $69.5 million last year, with a $30 million opening weekend.

The Chinese opening for “Star Wars: The Last Jedi” was only $5 million above the film’s fourth weekend in North America. “The Last Jedi” brought in a worldwide weekend total of $88.3 million to reach $1.205 billion. It’s now the 13th highest global release of all time, surpassing “Captain America: Civil War” and “Minions.”

“The Last Jedi” has taken in its top international numbers from the U.K. with $102.9 million, followed by Germany with $73.5 million, France with $57.6 million and Japan with $52.2 million.


Ouch.

@Skykid, are Chinese SW fans also very infuriated by the developments of TLJ, or is it the interracial romance that did the movie in at the box office as everyone assumed? I kind of assumed everyone just tolerated it as an inevitable Hollywood thing.
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Why would there be a large number of Chinese Star Wars fans, and why would this perform any better than Rogue One there?

Was 1999 the first time one of these films got a wide release there?


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BryanM wrote:
It could have been a new story with new characters, or a new story with old characters, or the Zelda thing where you retell the same legend in a very different way. If you're going to go past the ending, I'm personally more interested in a story about Luke doing grown up things like herding nerfs, and he gets drawn back into the hero business to solve a crisis much smaller in scope.

But that isn't the kind of thing that maximizes revenue.

Sounds to me like you might enjoy the direction of Ursula K. LeGuin's Earthsea novels then. :wink:

The original trilogy is only loosely related but ends on a do-or-die mission to save the world and the sacrifice of the main character. The next book focuses on one of the side characters nursing the main character back to health as well as raising an orphaned girl. Great direction to take! However, the 20-year gap between the books means that the vehement feminist ideology that LeGuin picked up between the 70s and later meant that the 4th book has sadly a lot of rewriting to make almost every male character into a raging misogynistic asshole (even previously cool ones). Unique and admirable direction to take the fantasy series, just not all of the execution is there in character and plot. Things get slightly more course-corrected, tonally, after that. The second trilogy doesn't always work but it certainly goes off in different and (mostly) interesting directions.

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