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Iran War. When.
2021 18%  18%  [ 2 ]
2022-2025 18%  18%  [ 2 ]
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:23 am 


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So that's a tweet from Robert Reich and an offhand comment by Chris Hayes, both mentioning truth and reconciliation commissions on the illegal activities of the Trump administration over the past four years.

Dollars to donuts Biden lets Trump and his toadies off scot free in the name of "healing our divisions", same as Obama did with Dubya. And is, also like Obama, rewarded for it with four straight years of shelved appointments and Burisma hearings, which the media blames on "partisanship on both sides" and the GOP pays absolutely no electoral price for, despite how desperate for compromise the legions of centrists and moderates are always supposed to be.
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That's part of it, here's another:

https://www.trumpaccountability.net/


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Chuck Schumer proposing Biden cancel student debt by executive order?!!

He must be feeling the heat after the downballot flop! I like it.
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After seeing a few videos, Biden appears to be a bit senile, no ?

Looks like the true new president of the United States is :

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https://youtu.be/oDT-szztGsY


Of course it was him.

He even has the phishing page as the video thumbnail!
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i thought quite deeply about this and i reckon my "it doesn't matter who wins" take is extremely wrong, and the pod boys are right. the difference between these two candidates is possibly the starkest in history.

this has massive ramifications for all of us and the next century, friends. it is *the first time in human history* that the way an empire dies will be voted for by a mass of its own citizens. that is an amazing opportunity, no people has ever had that much power in the west before. and it was right in front of us all this time: for years the netherworld has been sending the US emmisaries from the next realm, killers and cult leaders, spooks and charlatans, to offer them a glimpse of just how close the future was. now the future is finally here. it is battering down the door, bristling with sharp teeth and heavy weaponry, yes, but the future also holds a fistful of animal tranquilliser and high grade morphine, and it is asking the american Subject which he would prefer.

this is why i think joe's choice of kamala is so savvy. the DNC understand what the future is asking them, as it sweats and stinks amidst the wreckage of the front door. and by fixing it so joe and kamala are the only options available now, the dems are delivering a vital and important message of objective fact to their base: nobody is getting out of here alive, now choose the form of your end - us or trump. the DNC is playing the hits to sweeten the deal. they're offering a quick run through the classics before the tiny sting and the heavy eyelids. that's why bernie rolled over like a dog this year and let them get away with all that malarkey - that's what the left always does! multiple perverts! a shadowy assassination in federal custody last year, like it's the 1960s all over again! kamala is an even more violently ambitious and narcissistic version of obama, and she's a woman! joe biden is joe biden! they branded bernie with a crooked spiral and sent him out to give speeches with never trump neocons, their most important demographic! and there's even a dang kennedy running for no reason at all for office! what more could you ask for. trump's america will die violently and vengefully, a michael bay retelling of the bloody, deranged collapse of the ottoman empire; the end that joe offers will be like the white feather in forrest gump, alighting on different bits of treasured americana, from elvis to war crimes to failing upwards against all laws of the universe, before we slowly pan up to the sky and peacefully dissolve to the end credits. some say americans probably deserve worse for a century of bloodshed and cannibalism, not me though. and the last thing they see as they pass into the radiant abyss, if they make the right choice here, will be a steaming hot dog from coney island, on the hood of a cherry red '58 plymouth fury.

what a beautiful thing, to be able to choose how you exit the stage, to choose who will be your guide through this amerikan *chikhai bardo*.


^ This guy has a point of how important nostalgia is, especially for those contemplating their last days.

Death and the fear it creates is an important part of every election - the electorate is overloaded with people with a couple decades or less left to live, their best days behind them. The difference this time is everyone knows that this time, this applies to the country as a whole, if not modern civilization itself, even if they only know this subconsciously. The only people who'll disagree out loud either have a buck to make and are grifting, or doing the equivalent of daily affirmations to deny reality and get through their day. It's hard to feel bad about those who want to just "cope and hope".

I guess if you want to be optimistic about things, China hopes to have commercial thorium plants by around 2030? So maybe things will start to turn around in 20 years or so. On the material front. On the political front, well. Like with Trump, we'll be lucky to not have another big war or two. Over decades, it'll be a miracle if we don't. As for the biome, lol. Just lol.


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 Post subject: Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse
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After seeing a few videos, Biden appears to be a bit senile, no ?


Edited Trump campaign videos?

He's 77 and he still puts together more coherent thoughts than the last two Republican offerings for president.
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cvaniafan wrote:
After seeing a few videos, Biden appears to be a bit senile, no ?


Edited Trump campaign videos?

He's 77 and he still puts together more coherent thoughts than the last two Republican offerings for president.

This is your political opinion and I respect that. If you were republican, you would consider things differently.
Biden will be 78 yo in two weeks, and keep in mind that when your brain reaches 75 years old, every additional year on your counter counts for about 5 when you are younger, if you see what I mean... I have seen videos in which he confuses the names of his children, he uses the wrong words, etc.. I mean it is not reassuring for someone who has 4 explosive years to deal with in front of him, the man has quite a HUGE ship to lead.
Also, something that I learned in the past 4 years is what and who "embodies" the dominant modern ideology, and this is something that today you find even in the Walt Disney productions when, for example about their past films, they present apologies about discrimination and religion subjects, sexual orientation, or an actress' skin color that doesn't match her character's, etc... All of that belongs to that globalism which nowadays is permanently promoted by the mass medias, film industry, press, etc...
And even though Trump has a very questionable personality with dozens of flaws and faults, even though he was indeed the president of the GAFAM, I think he was also a president who dared to face that dominant globalist ideology and its "strike force" through the mass medias and press. You see, until now, I had NEVER seen such militant media and press, biased journalism, continually dumping so much dirt about a statesman, his personality, his family, his marriage, etc. And it's very interesting, because the mass medias have become, if you allow me this expression, the modern "political clergy" of the dominant ideology which rules the world ;)


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You see, until now, I had NEVER seen such militant media and press, biased journalism, continually dumping so much dirt about a statesman, his personality, his family, his marriage, etc.

I'd love to know where you were during the Obama years; hell, we're still waiting to this day to hear, among countless other things, what Trump's own "investigators" found in Hawaii when looking for his "real" birth certificate. Moreover, once he decided to move on to the next howler, the press completely rolled over and died; one local reporter dared to ask about it and was simply told "we don't talk about that anymore" (and also brushed off Chuck Todd with "I don't like talking about it" :lol:). And they didn't, from that day to this.

And that's just one of the hundreds of ridiculous, completely unproven claims and actions (remember, Canadian imports are a national security threat! :lol:) that the media has outright refused to hold him accountable for, while giving him thousands of hours of free airtime to spew nonsense without anything resembling a coherent policy so much as lurking underneath, even as he and his bootlickers endlessly bitch and moan about how unfair they've been to him.

And *sigh* before you inevitably go back to that pitifully dry well, yes, there has been unfair and inaccurate coverage of Trump, and literally nobody is saying there hasn't been, because every public figure gets it thrown at them. But sorry, the notion that coverage of Trump is somehow extraordinary is complete nonsense; being called out frequently for saying ridiculous shit isn't "prejudice" when your entire "media strategy" revolves around flooding the airwaves with ridiculous shit.
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You see, until now, I had NEVER seen such militant media and press, biased journalism, continually dumping so much dirt about a statesman, his personality, his family, his marriage, etc.

I'd love to know where you were during the Obama years

I was younger, but I confirm I was in this world ;) And quite honestly, yes Obama was criticized, but there is absolutely no comparison with what I read every day, almost every hour, for 4 full years, about Trump ! I'm speaking of the french press here (maybe the american press acted differently, I don't know?).


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He's 77 and he still puts together more coherent thoughts than the last two Republican offerings for president.

This is your political opinion and I respect that. If you were republican, you would consider things differently.


I seriously doubt that. Trump and W were both quantifiably whorable speakers. Trump would simply just ramble, and W fucked up vocab and forgot things at expert levels. No doubt some people found that endearing, or something they could relate to. I am definitely not one of them.

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Biden will be 78 yo in two weeks, and keep in mind that when your brain reaches 75 years old, every additional year on your counter counts for about 5 when you are younger, if you see what I mean... I have seen videos in which he confuses the names of his children, he uses the wrong words, etc.. I mean it is not reassuring for someone who has 4 explosive years to deal with in front of him, the man has quite a HUGE ship to lead.


I see what you mean but don't agree with it. Aging affects everyone differently. I fuck up names all the time... forget stuff. It happens. It was something Trump tried to sell and of course, looking at Uncle Joe's speeches, it had little merit. Some of the videos of him "forgetting the city he was in" were even simple edits (aka, propaganda bullshit).

Let's also not forget one of the most revered and loved Presidents in modern history was notoriously forgetful and sleepy. The entire 80s are still remembered as the Reagan years and are by and large remembered fondly.

I'm not going to pretend Biden is nearly as good of a speaker as Obma, and that he's not gonna have some senior moments. I'm also not going to pretend that Trump's laughable communication skills are even comparable.

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You see, until now, I had NEVER seen such militant media and press, biased journalism, continually dumping so much dirt about a statesman, his personality, his family, his marriage, etc. And it's very interesting, because the mass medias have become, if you allow me this expression, the modern "political clergy" of the dominant ideology which rules the world ;)


You never saw right wing media during Obama's administration then. Don't forget, the internet is way more ubiquitous now than it was then. Back then you had to meaningfully go after news. Now you are inundated with it regardless.
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Don't forget, the internet is way more ubiquitous now than it was then. Back then you had to meaningfully go after news. Now you are inundated with it regardless.

you're right, I agree.
However, more than ever, nowadays there is that dominant ideology I was speaking of, kind of "minoritarianism" (racialism, LGBT, feminism, religionism, human globalism...) in which everybody claims a victim status, and I think that ideology represented by the mass medias and social networks has a considerable influence on Western societies. Sure, there are positive advances for equality in these movements, but there is also an important flip side of the coin which produces communitarianism, a lot of hostility between people, and even a commercial exploitation of the human body which becomes something you can completely rent and modify, etc. I'm afraid we are losing ourselves in that "Progressivism" as the medias like to call it, and our decline through the generalization of those ideological movements is 'godsend' for the economic dictatorships, as for the religious dictatorships throughout the world... I might be wrong but I think Trump tried to face that dominant ideology (which led him to be called a populist, a "fascist" by the mass medias).


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I might be wrong but I think Trump tried to face that dominant ideology

I seriously struggle to think of someone who has benefited more from playing the victim than Trump has, since the only way that his sales pitch so much as begins to make sense (to use the term extremely loosely) is if you believe that pretty much the entire world is somehow uniformly out to get him, all the time (never mind that he's been a completely unaccountable and nigh-untouchable billionaire his entire life). Hell, if there's a better way to sum up him and his cadre than "communitarianism, hostility and exploitation" I haven't found it. :lol:
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cvaniafan wrote:
I might be wrong but I think Trump tried to face that dominant ideology

I seriously struggle to think of someone who has benefited more from playing the victim than Trump has, since the only way that his sales pitch so much as begins to make sense (to use the term extremely loosely) is if you believe that pretty much the entire world is somehow uniformly out to get him, all the time (never mind that he's been a completely unaccountable and nigh-untouchable billionaire his entire life). Hell, if there's a better way to sum up him and his cadre than "communitarianism, hostility and exploitation" I haven't found it. :lol:

Ok, but still there is something suspicious in the media and show-business stars frenzy against everything Trump, every day. The same could be said about Boris Johnson with the Brexit. As soon as you speak of sovereignty and are not totally within a dominant ideology, you are called a populist and a fascist. Today's medias represent a certain political activism, and paint a picture of the world that does not engage people to think with balance and analytical ability, they portray a world with Good and Evil, and that's it.


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Ok, but still there is something suspicious in the media and show-business stars frenzy against everything Trump, every day. The same could be said about Boris Johnson with the Brexit. As soon as you speak of sovereignty and are not totally within a dominant ideology, you are called a populist and a fascist. Today's medias represent a certain political activism, and paint a picture of the world that does not engage people to think with balance and analytical ability, they portray a world with Good and Evil, and that's it.


I think this polarization between "minority identity politics" on the left and "sovereignty and freedom" on the right will seem a million miles away in 10 years. By that time Western societies will have to have positioned themselves in a clear alliance against China's hegemony and will be fighting for their systemic survival. It's gonna be a much more fundamental choice then.


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I think this polarization between "minority identity politics" on the left and "sovereignty and freedom" on the right will seem a million miles away in 10 years. By that time Western societies will have to have positioned themselves in a clear alliance against China's hegemony and will be fighting for their systemic survival. It's gonna be a much more fundamental choice then.

Indeed, there is a chance that it will turn out as you say. That's what I meant when I said we are losing ourselves in the results of this polarization, and it's godsend for the economic dictatorships.


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Nuclear weapons and a lack of gas will put a big dampener on world war 3... it's... not going to be that kind of apocalypse unfortunately.

Reality is always disappointing compared to the wonders of fantasy.

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Capitalism. Globalism, as you're using it here, is a made up word conservatives use to avoid saying "capitalism". Actual globalism is the part of capitalism where you ship jobs off to slaves overseas; it's a very specific thing.


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You're fired! The environment, science, decency and ethics are grateful!
The next to fall will be the disgusting and hateful President of Brazil...


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You're fired! The environment, science, decency and ethics are grateful!
The next to fall will be the disgusting and hateful President of Brazil...


And then it's time for all the clowns in Europe: Orban, Duda, Johnson, Erdogan, etc. :)


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CIT wrote:
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You're fired! The environment, science, decency and ethics are grateful!
The next to fall will be the disgusting and hateful President of Brazil...


And then it's time for all the clowns in Europe: Orban, Duda, Johnson, Erdogan, etc. :)

Setting Orban, Johnson and Erdogan on equal footing is an absurdity.


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Of course they're all a disaster in their own unique way. But as far as I'm concerned they can all go fuck themselves — that's enough in common to put them on an equal footing. ;)


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Ok, but still there is something suspicious in the media and show-business stars frenzy against everything Trump, every day. The same could be said about Boris Johnson with the Brexit. As soon as you speak of sovereignty and are not totally within a dominant ideology, you are called a populist and a fascist. Today's medias represent a certain political activism, and paint a picture of the world that does not engage people to think with balance and analytical ability, they portray a world with Good and Evil, and that's it.

The american elites, which includes the the media, try to make as many people as possible feel victimized by another group of poor people. They're found identity politics to be a great way to achieve this. Make women out to be the victims of men, blacks the victim of whites, and so forth. They've also convinced a lot of mostly-conservative whites that they themselves are an oppressed group. All the nonsense going on with the election right now should play into the latter nicely. That, I think, is the reason why the tv news here likes to say that Obama is Jesus and Trump is Satan, even though the two agree on policy the great majority of the time.

The purpose of all of this is to misdirect peoples' anger away from the elites. Make the leftists mad at conservatives over the endless wars instead of the weapon manufacturers. Make the conservatives mad at immigrants and foreigners over lost jobs instead of the corporations. Create a giant, meaningless, fake fight between the left and the right so that the left will support an utter dogshit candidate as a lesser evil pick against the right, and the right will do the same, and the normies will be too distracted by the intensity of the fighting to notice that the two are 95% identical.

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I think this polarization between "minority identity politics" on the left and "sovereignty and freedom" on the right will seem a million miles away in 10 years. By that time Western societies will have to have positioned themselves in a clear alliance against China's hegemony and will be fighting for their systemic survival. It's gonna be a much more fundamental choice then.

Western aristocrats would absolutely rather side with chinese aristocrats than with western commoners. Probably even if that means submission to chinese aristocrats. I think they'll keep liberal idpol and convservative nationalism alive for as long as they possibly can.

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Capitalism. Globalism, as you're using it here, is a made up word conservatives use to avoid saying "capitalism". Actual globalism is the part of capitalism where you ship jobs off to slaves overseas; it's a very specific thing.

Globalism also includes multiculturalism which isn't directly capitalist.


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Of course they're all a disaster in their own unique way. But as far as I'm concerned they can all go fuck themselves — that's enough in common to put them on an equal footing. ;)

Here's a very documented political reasoning with an argumentation of rare quality ! :lol:
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It's true that it's so easy to govern a country in a great way in this period of time, you should propose your service to improve the world :P


I’m happy to hear you place so much trust in my awesome abilities, but I think we already found out that businessmen don’t make for good political leaders, so unfortunately I must decline the offer. ;)


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Erdogan on equal footing is an absurdity.


Erdogan is a fucking travesty.
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Another election of Macron v Le Pen is virtually guaranteed, it would be nice if they'd bother to swap out the guy stomping on everyone's face every now and then. If they're both still alive and Trump wants it, we'll have a similar repeat here starting in three years. Wrestling, but the shittiest gimmicks to appeal to the smallest and worst audience possible.

Talking about the global supply chain, that reminds me of a cheap headset I bought years ago. The thing took forever to get to my door step - I could practically feel the courier guy in China on his dispatch - smuggling it through North Korea, launching a rowboat from South Korea, handing it off to the USPS center for the rest of the trip. It really seems inefficient from a fuel usage and human effort standpoint. (The box had adorable engrish on it though, "squash head padding"..)


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The american elites, which includes the the media, try to make as many people as possible feel victimized by another group of poor people. They're found identity politics to be a great way to achieve this. Make women out to be the victims of men, blacks the victim of whites, and so forth.


i mean, to an often pretty significant degree, these things are true -that's why they're so effective an over-focused smoke screen and played to be black and white (either they don't exist or they're the foundation of all interaction). there is racial injustice, sex discrimination, homophobia, transphobia, etc., and they kill people. one side stokes the flames, the other side applies to salve to them - they're made out to be both the only people who can sustain them and the only people who can heal them, when it's a rigamarole just made to play to people's worst base instincts and further the illusion that the elites are not just one group of people looking to sustain their best interests.

a lot of the left's motivation is not for actual justice, just for revenge. if you are a cishet white dude and your challenges are internal (depression, violent trauma, rape victim, etc.), you still get characterized as Cishet White Dude, thus putting you as a benefactor of impossibly great privilege. what, in this situation, are you supposed to do? join the side that tells you that your struggles are pathetic and meaningless and that you can never give enough, or get recruited by the side whose memes are literally sticking a crown on your head and telling you that you're valid? man, tough fucking choice, there! golly, how *do* people keep joining the alt-right? there wind up being trans people on the right because you're a "Dipshit Cis Dudebro" until you're not.

just recently, a casual friend i occasionally bought weed & shrooms from - a shitkicker, southerner, kid rock type of younger guy that was chill enough to talk to and who worked for my way older handyman i'm friends with - got his fucking head blown off by his girlfriend in his sleep. i found out yesterday when i called my handyman - british expat i've known for four years with a bunch of wild stories he'll go on for hours about and a weird grudge against "pakistanis" lol - to see how he was doing, and then got to listen for 20 minutes as he talked about tragedy. guy's father had just attempted suicide following the incident, too, and nearly succeeded. one of the worst parts of this whole thing? everyone assumes when they hear the story that he killed her, because it was a murder-suicide and something like 93% of murder-suicides are done by men. i was probably one of the only people to not immediately make that assumption - one time luna called him for a pickup and the girlfriend grabbed the phone, thinking luna was some floozy he was fucking on the side. she was a psycho.

nuance is gone, bias is truth, etc., etc. goddamn, this is a dark world
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 Post subject: Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse
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GaijinPunch wrote:
cvaniafan wrote:
After seeing a few videos, Biden appears to be a bit senile, no ?


Edited Trump campaign videos?

He's 77 and he still puts together more coherent thoughts than the last two Republican offerings for president.


He really doesn't, come on man!

Kamala within a year I think, unless the old guard find some way to swindle that too. Edit: and I mean Bernies nomination before anyone says anything.
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