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Who is your preferred pokémon?
Joe Biden 6%  6%  [ 3 ]
Andrew Yang 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Kamala Harris 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
Elizabeth Warren / Tulsi Gabbard 6%  6%  [ 3 ]
Hollywood Celebrity 8%  8%  [ 4 ]
Deval Patrick / Julian Castro / Robert O'Rourke / Cory Booker / Peter Buttigieg 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Donald Trump 34%  34%  [ 18 ]
Mike Gravel 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Bernard Sanders 38%  38%  [ 20 ]
Hillary Clinton / Michael Bloomberg / Mark Zuckerberg / Chelsea Clinton / Kirsten Gillibrand 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
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You really should have done what Specineff did, which is : to take my post for what it is (a mere prediction) and nothing more, instead of seeing all sorts of weird other stuff in it.

You have to cut him some slack, since he's surviving on $60 a month and is likely deficient in a mineral or two, which can affect mood and quality of mental output.

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You have to cut him some slack, since he's surviving on $60 a month and is likely deficient in a mineral or two, which can affect mood and quality of mental output.


That was uncalled for, Rob. Even more when FinalBaton or myself weren't even addressing you at all.

I'll have to borrow BulletMagnet's schtick and encourage you to troll harder, though. Need to make sure that copy of Mein Kampf is worth the money you paid for it.
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Even more when FinalBaton or myself weren't even addressing you at all.

Humor. I was referring to our malnourished comrade.


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Too late to backpedal, buddy.
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I really don't want to make assumptions about people.... but a lot of this thread indicates that Mischief Maker and BryanM have been sort of radicalized by personal experiences in their life and may have trouble being objective. It's either that or they're Creative Writing majors using a video game forum as practice. I really think you can be a liberal without spouting conspiracy theories and mistakes regarding correlation/causation. I'm sure you're both good guys but this is all a little too much.


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I really think you can be a liberal without spouting conspiracy theories and mistakes regarding correlation/causation.


I'm not a liberal. At no point in my life have I ever voted in favor of laissez-faire capitalism and wars of capital acquisition for the few.

And where is the conspiracy theory here, exactly?

A corporation's best paid employees and owners gives a politician millions of dollars of campaign contributions and PAC cash. Entire organizations (they're called "think tanks") are created with the sole purpose of managing public opinion. Media outlets owned by billionaires, hosted by millionaires, give these politicians billions of dollars of advertising. When out of office, these politicians are paid millions of dollars through fake jobs and 15 minute "speeches". Their friends, family and staff are given similar treatment. (NBC giving Chelsea Clinton $26,724 per minute she appeared on the network was a gas.)

Who do these politicians represent?

This isn't rocket science man. Nor is it a "conspiracy theory", it's a raw fact of reality everyone knows.

Please go ahead and point out where I'm not being "objective" when I assert anyone who wins a D or R nomination can potentially be president? Remember I told you that Trump's odds were slightly higher than a coin flip after Clinton won the nomination back in 2016. While the TV had everyone brainwashed into repeating "he can't win" like a mindless parrot.


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Multiple mass shootings. Trump and his Republicans blame videogames. Rinse, repeat.
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OdiousTrident wrote:
I really don't want to make assumptions about people.... but a lot of this thread indicates that Mischief Maker and BryanM have been sort of radicalized by personal experiences in their life and may have trouble being objective. It's either that or they're Creative Writing majors using a video game forum as practice. I really think you can be a liberal without spouting conspiracy theories and mistakes regarding correlation/causation. I'm sure you're both good guys but this is all a little too much.

Wow, I mean WOW! that's rich.
Since I've been in this community I've read enough material of nationalist, xenophobic, racist and all flavours of right-wing conspirationism nature up to the most tinfoil-tier including religious, to compile the Grand Chronicles Of The Internet Right On A Tiny Video Game Forum: STG edition (in 10 volumes)
In proportion the leftist equivalent contents by their weakness and vacuity have at most filled up the space of a bookmark to help read it.
Sure we're far from chans-level of horror, still who the Hell are we kidding? you could reserve 100 pages and invite all shades of the left to post here for a month uninterrupted and still not be even close to balance it out.
Also *cough* BryanM a conspirationist? *breathe in* boi...Bryan is the conspiration. ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)
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Why do "democratic socialists" want the same thing as Koch Network libertarians and ancaps? When you are fighting ideological battles for your ideological opponents... you'd think that a bulb would flicker on at some point. Or it is just that "racial justice" is the core and everything else is a distant second or a fashionable accessory (faux-environmentalism), with "racial justice" aligning perfectly with the desires of global capital.

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I'm pretty sure the DSA doesn't consider corporations to be people, Rob.
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Do you think open borders is a good policy position for people living in America, particularly lower to middle class Americans?


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Well if you don't have an entire labor force exempt from minimum wage, workplace safety, healthcare, and other rights because they've been declared "illegal," management won't have the option to undercut union labor that way anymore.

Racism has always been a divide-and-conquer strategy against the working class, all the way back to the invention of "the white race" in the 1670s.
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Having open borders would mean having zero influence over population growth. Good luck cutting greenhouse gas emissions.


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Mischief Maker wrote:
Well if you don't have an entire labor force exempt from minimum wage, workplace safety, healthcare, and other rights because they've been declared "illegal," management won't have the option to undercut union labor that way anymore.

Racism has always been a divide-and-conquer strategy against the working class, all the way back to the invention of "the white race" in the 1670s.


I feel like you could have just referenced your signature here. So on point.


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Having open borders would mean having zero influence over population growth. Good luck cutting greenhouse gas emissions.


I think abortion-on-demand, state-subsidized contraception, comprehensive sex education, and free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare would do a hell of a lot more for controlling the population.

Take it from Christopher Hitchens.
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Candid question here: Has any member of the Dem party actually said they want open borders? Or anything that strongly implies so? Outside of the accusations from the right, I can't find much.
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Well if you don't have an entire labor force exempt from minimum wage, workplace safety, healthcare, and other rights because they've been declared "illegal," management won't have the option to undercut union labor that way anymore.

An unlimited supply of labor is good for the American worker, as long as the unlimited labor has the same rights and privileges as actual American citizens - the only thing they had in their favor? I'm kinda thunderstruck that this argument is being made. Maybe send a sample of your writing and a resume to the Cato Institute.

H-1B Visas Keep Down U.S. Tech Wages, Study Shows

What can we learn from the perfectly legal H1Bs and wages above the minimum? Is it good for the American worker to be replaced by foreigners who will take less pay? Maybe if we remove all of the pesky red tape, drop the pretense of hiring American workers first and place no limits on the amount of foreign workers that can be brought in...

And this is just looking at things from an economic point of view. We can see the cultural and political disturbances of proto-open borders right now, and it's hard to imagine a de-escalation.

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Racism has always been a divide-and-conquer strategy against the working class,

You're basically saying that it has a 100% success rate. Why do you think that is? Could it be that it (in-group preference) comes naturally to humans, and this is a very easy thing to exploit. All that is required to aggravate it is forcing people to share a territory and compete for resources (which increasingly resemble scraps). Distrust and anger are quick to develop, and can be triggered by manufactured events - like, they don't even have to wait for things to take a natural turn.

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all the way back to the invention of "the white race" in the 1670s.

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Candid question here: Has any member of the Dem party actually said they want open borders? Or anything that strongly implies so? Outside of the accusations from the right, I can't find much.


Not even Bernie. This is in the same category of Republican bullshit as the "Obama phones."
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I think I've already posted this one before, but it doesn't need to be stated explicitly (they are politicians, for Christ's sake - if you are expecting them to open their hearts and bare all, or tell you exactly what their big money donors are paying them for, I don't know what to say other than be less gullible). Just look at the combined effect of their positions. If you can't significantly deter, detain or deport, but can decriminalize and provide sanctuary, what exactly are we left with? I have a tiny bit of respect for DSA for being upfront about their nation-destroying aims.


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Not even Bernie. This is in the same category of Republican bullshit as the "Obama phones."


"When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

/guy goes on a shooting spree at Wal Mart trying to kill as many Mexicans as possible

"It's videogames that killed all those people!"

/Wal-Mart takes down advertising for violent videogames, fixing the problems of hatred, misery and brainworms forever. No further lives are lost to a plasma grenade or a +3 broadsword ever again.


This is the "moderate mainstream centrism" that has held all the power in the world for the past 40 years. While I'm the "radical coo-coo bird" because I think we should lower the minimum age for Medicare from 65 to 0.


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ban illegals (being non american,I have no idea how people defend this let alone letting them work), build the wall, ban guns (yanks are too retarded to own them), ban videogames (biggest enabler of asocial behavior by far), free medicare for everyone who isn't a fatass

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Alexander Acosta, the current U.S. Labor Secretary, is in the hot seat, since a dozen years ago he was the U.S. Attorney for South Florida who cut that deal with Epstein. Ward explained the background of that deal, which is now a noose for Acosta. Specifically, she elaborated that the Epstein issue came up when Acosta was appointed to the cabinet by President Donald Trump. Ward writes: He’d cut the non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein’s attorneys because he had “been told” to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade. “I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone,” he told his interviewers in the Trump transition, who evidently thought that was a sufficient answer and went ahead and hired Acosta. (The Labor Department had no comment when asked about this.)

Wait, what?

So, Acosta, according to himself, backed off on prosecuting Epstein back in 2007, despite the possession of ample evidence proving his guilt, because he “belonged to intelligence.” Whose intelligence, exactly? is the first of many questions that arise here.

Looks like we're never going to get the truth about this detail.


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Someone mentioned that one of the most recent shooters mentioned "The Lorax" in his manifesto and it made me think of "Dr. Seuss Goes to War," a book of his WWII political cartoons:

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Pretty cool that the single highest profile prisoner in the country managed to commit suicide while on suicide watch. Though I guess they had just taken him off suicide watch right around the time the cameras went out? Eh, details. :roll:


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Pretty cool that the single highest profile prisoner in the country managed to commit suicide while on suicide watch. Though I guess they had just taken him off suicide watch right around the time the cameras went out? Eh, details. :roll:

The one most surprised by Epstein's suicide would be Epstein himself.
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I think they killed Epstein to distract from Bernie Sanders' interview on Joe Rogan's podcast.

Joe: Why is it legal?

Bernie: Joe, it is legal because they make the laws!
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The one most surprised by Epstein's suicide would be Epstein himself.



Regardless of how it happened, I get the feeling we won't be hearing the end of it, Loose Change-style.
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Having open borders would mean having zero influence over population growth. Good luck cutting greenhouse gas emissions.


I think abortion-on-demand, state-subsidized contraception, comprehensive sex education, and free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare would do a hell of a lot more for controlling the population.

Sure, if we administer that stuff world wide.


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Global warming report, an 'ear-splitting wake-up call' warns UN chief

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Tweeting shortly after the report was launched, UN Secretary-General António Guterres said that it is not impossible to limit global warming to 1.5°C, according to the report. "But it will require unprecedented and collective climate action in all areas. There is no time to waste."

In a statement released later in the day, Mr. Guterres said that getting there, would require "urgent and far more ambitious action to cut emissions by half by 2030, and reach net zero emissions by 2050."


A 'funny' thing is seeing the U.N.'s dedication to transferring people from low carbon footprint regions to high carbon footprint regions (see their global compact for migration), ensuring that developed nations do not reduce their populations to more sustainable levels, while also sounding the alarm about the climate apocalypse we're facing by 2050. So we're facing a civilization-threatening, humanity-threatening crisis in the near term, but not so much of an impending apocalypse that they will caution the shepherding of hundreds of millions northwards. Also, if they really want to get people to cooperate, think clearly and globally, it doesn't seem wise to create regional turmoil with demographic upheavals. It's enough to get the tinfoil beanie spinning.

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it made me think of "Dr. Seuss Goes to War," a book of his WWII political cartoons:

Advocates for non-interventionism have been vindicated by much that has happened since, but this is good at illustrating how little pro-war propaganda has changed. If you want to morally bully people into doing something destructive or contrary to their own interests, invoke the children (just not the soon to be firebombed children, or the ones of the vanquished that will be left behind to be terrorized by the victors) or just namecall. The self-mythologizing about WWII has not been a good thing for America.

The Lorax is classic, though.


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