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Who is your preferred pokémon?
Joe Biden 6%  6%  [ 3 ]
Andrew Yang 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Kamala Harris 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
Elizabeth Warren / Tulsi Gabbard 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
Hollywood Celebrity 8%  8%  [ 4 ]
Deval Patrick / Julian Castro / Robert O'Rourke / Cory Booker / Peter Buttigieg 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Donald Trump 35%  35%  [ 17 ]
Mike Gravel 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Bernard Sanders 37%  37%  [ 18 ]
Hillary Clinton / Michael Bloomberg / Mark Zuckerberg / Chelsea Clinton / Kirsten Gillibrand 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 49
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 Post subject: Re: 2020 (D) Presidential Primary - Welcome to the Gravelanc
PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 2:15 am 


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Villains are the best characters, anyways. So thanks I guess?


Don't flatter yourself. That was mock admiration of your claim and tone.
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Aha! I see now why the right-wing press suddenly resurrected the Jussie Smollet story.

The Sandra Bland arrest video just came out.

Yep, she totally sounded suicidal in that video and the cop definitely seemed in control of his emotions.

Can you explain how these things are related?


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Jussie Smollett is used by the right-wing to claim that all hate crimes against black people are intentional setups to get Al Sharpton media hits and Obama phones.

Just like in Ben Shapiro's opus True Allegience.
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All that experience and resulting insight certainly ensured that you were right on the money about Daddy, particularly on the foreign policy front. :lol: Assuming you actually meant any of that shit in the first place, that is. :lol:


I figured he'd placate Israel, not give in to their every demand. At least we got a few years of an inflated economy and some good laughs.

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Don't flatter yourself. That was mock admiration of your claim and tone.


Nuh-uh, no takebacks or mulligans on this one. You just likened me to Rorschach and that's Frickin' Cool. It may just be the best "insult" I've ever received. I think you've inspired me to finally use an avatar here, so thanks for that, too. :wink:


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Al Sharpton


You know all those "Al Sharpton has lunch with someone who's running for president" photos where there's a ton of stalkerazi photographers crammed on the other side of the window desperately trying to capture the shittiest photo possible that no one will ever use?

It's incredibly soul crushing. Right up there with "Zuckerberg eats plain toast."

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That nobody read or cared about them, and none turned into your WW3 prophecy?
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Nuh-uh, no takebacks or mulligans on this one. You just likened me to Rorschach and that's Frickin' Cool. It may just be the best "insult" I've ever received. I think you've inspired me to finally use an avatar here, so thanks for that, too. :wink:


Yeah, but it was for all the wrong reasons, not because of any effectual heroism or morality. Either way, enjoy.
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9/11 hijackers kill 3,000 americans, get reviled as monsters. (And somehow the media feels like it wasn't important to inform people they were largely from a country called "Saudi Arabia".)

Robert Lee is responsible for the deaths of many tens of thousands of americans - worshiped as a hero for generations and gets a statue in the town square.

Doesn't seem very fair.


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Specineff wrote:
quash wrote:
Nuh-uh, no takebacks or mulligans on this one. You just likened me to Rorschach and that's Frickin' Cool. It may just be the best "insult" I've ever received. I think you've inspired me to finally use an avatar here, so thanks for that, too. :wink:


Yeah, but it was for all the wrong reasons, not because of any effectual heroism or morality. Either way, enjoy.
I saw your original post. At least you calmed down a bit, but seriously dude: you don't know me.

And frankly, if this is what's considered a medical professional these days, then I build Cathedrals for a living.


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Yeah, I edited it because I was missing several hours of sleep and was too abrasive. It's not necessary to know you to enjoy the juicy bits you've graced us with, though.
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9/11 hijackers kill 3,000 americans, get reviled as monsters. ...

Robert Lee is responsible for the deaths of many tens of thousands of americans - worshiped as a hero for generations and gets a statue in the town square.

Doesn't seem very fair.

Wow, this is remarkably stupid.


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Also I still get a good guffaw at how badly Bin Laden miscalculated strategically.

The idea was to have us bankrupt ourselves and withdraw like Russia did. Jokes on him - money's imaginary dumbass, we're gonna stay until there's not enough oil on the planet to sustain our offensive. And maybe even after that.

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Wow, this is remarkably stupid.


You're remarkably stupid, terrorist shithead.


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9/11 hijackers kill 3,000 americans, get reviled as monsters. (And somehow the media feels like it wasn't important to inform people they were largely from a country called "Saudi Arabia".)

Robert Lee is responsible for the deaths of many tens of thousands of americans - worshiped as a hero for generations and gets a statue in the town square.

Doesn't seem very fair.

You're saying "war heros" may not be so heroic? Or only the ones on the losing side?

Islam is not always big on statues, so the hijackers most likely would have had to pick a different cause if they wanted to be commemorated this way. Although maybe they got something different. The death of a Taliban leader in 2013 was supposedly marked by a rare hail storm in Afghanistan that damaged NATO helicopters.


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BryanM wrote:
Also I still get a good guffaw at how badly Bin Laden miscalculated strategically.

The idea was to have us bankrupt ourselves and withdraw like Russia did. Jokes on him - money's imaginary dumbass, we're gonna stay until there's not enough oil on the planet to sustain our offensive. And maybe even after that.

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Wow, this is remarkably stupid.


You're remarkably stupid, terrorist shithead.


Don't you think these kinds of false equivalencies are basically dishonest? You're quick to point them out when they come from other "side" of your binary field of ideas.


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Venezuelan refugees asking for US intervention in their own words, Bernie Bros!
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[most people in most places think buzzword is "very good" graph]

^ People are fine with a dictatorship as long as it's their dictatorship.

Or when governments are screwing people in the ass and calling it "democracy", a portion of people might not think of buzzword as a "very good" system.

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This is also a good overall measure of how much peasant infighting a country's elite have managed to successfully initiate.

So "peasant infighting" benefits the elite, you think? Does unwanted mass immigration necessarily increase (perhaps even maximize) "peasant infighting"?


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Rob's utopia.

The nightmarish reality!
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Shhh, don't destroy that vision that all blacks are criminals who live off welfare, all messcans are cholos who get driver licenses and vote democrat (as evidenced by the taco scent wafting off the 3 million votes more that Hillary got) and all non-white immigrants have low IQs but get handed out degrees just because the color of their skin because "muh diversi-tay". They need it to stave off the reality that there's no wall, tariffs are actually being paid for by/fucking over Americans, and the president's only meaningful fulfilled campaign promise is to permanently slash taxes for the rich.

But all it takes is another four more years of government shutdowns, fucking over federal employees, and going golfing more than Obama did for Mexico to hand out money for that big, beautiful wall. Have some faith, it's just that his plan was so magnificent, it needed more than four years to make it happen. Bigly.

(Careful. Those links probably carry a Mind Virus(TM) planted by the Deep State and the Mainstream Media to subvert people with fake news.)
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They need it to stave off the reality that there's no wall,

http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

This is not something to gloat over.


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Undocumented immigrants commit crime at a much lower rate than people born in the US do, so more people would be victimized in your fantasy country than in the real one.

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I've never seen someone so obsessed with Native men raping Native women.

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Undocumented immigrants commit crime at a much lower rate than people born in the US do,

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Would these murders have taken place if this man was not here, as he should not have been?


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They need it to stave off the reality that there's no wall,

http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

This is not something to gloat over.

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In honor of the thousands of American citizens killed each year by Illegal Aliens.


Thousands?
Yet they could only bother to name ~84?
edit, oh there's a page 2, OK so they name a couple 100 maybe.
Is it really thousands? Or is that just a lie for dramatic effect?
The 282 occurrences of the word "allegedly" on page two also really help to establish the veracity of this humble memorial.


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Would these murders have taken place if this man was not here, as he should not have been?

God has a plan. He was calling them home. Someone else would have acted on God's will, if not for this man.


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They need it to stave off the reality that there's no wall,

http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

This is not something to gloat over.


Nobody's gloating over any deaths, so please stop trying to collate and use them to somehow give more weight to your bias. Correlation does not equal causation.


What, are they any more tragic than those who got killed by a green card holder or a citizen? Or a Native American? Or a bear? Would the loss be any less painful had it been caused by a decorated service man who snapped because whatever? Don't get me wrong: A lost life is a lost life. But the would haves and the wouldn't haves aren't going to bring any of those people back.

Because let's be honest here, Rob: You couldn't care about those deaths any more than you did about the Trump voters you considered should be willing to make a sacrifice (Your words, not mine) for the sake of getting that wall this past January (which I must remind you, was promised to be paid for by Mexico. On that specific point, I do gloat. Ha, ha), so please don't pull out the patriotism card. Let me ask you again: What great wrong was done unto you to hold such contempt for immigrants, blacks and natives, as demonstrated by your arguments all over this thread? Passed over for a job position? Scammed? Relative of yours married to an alien to help them get a green card and then divorced after it was issued? Someone you care about raped by a different ethnicity? What was it?

Or better yet (And this goes for others who sing the same tune): What are you doing about it other than rambling, ranting, complaining online, quoting stats and rooting for a projected wall that is not magically going to fix all those problems you keep on bringing up over and over?

What are you effectively doing for your fellow American beyond linking to memorial sites you use to justify your bias?
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Koa Zo wrote:
God has a plan. He was calling them home. Someone else would have acted on God's will, if not for this man.

What is this?

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Thousands?
Yet they could only bother to name ~84?
edit, oh there's a page 2, OK so they name a couple 100 maybe.
Is it really thousands? Or is that just a lie for dramatic effect?
The 282 occurrences of the word "allegedly" on page two also really help to establish the veracity of this humble memorial.

The point is that there are real people dying because of lax immigration enforcement, and not a few. The precise number is not important, but here's a hazy idea:

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The precise number is not important

Of course it isn't, because if more people had an accurate sense of the scope of the problem, they might be able to readily differentiate between responses of "this is an issue that requires additional attention" and "this is an invasion on our sovereignty that demands immediate, drastic and/or illegal action, including tolerance of and/or alliances with some of the most odious vigilantes in all of society". (By chance, there was an article in the paper this morning which noted how Reagan inflated the fraud of the woman he held up as his original "welfare queen" by dozens of times in his speeches.)

There are "real people dying" of countless things the country very much needs to address every day, most of them immensely more consequential than this giddy little obsession of yours; if you need an Exhibit A, take a stroll over to the "guns" thread. Even on an actual major issue like that, a vast majority of people are reasonable enough to dismiss the "repeal the Second Amendment" crowd as extreme, just as most will scornfully laugh "Zionists are sending Mexicans to erase white culture" trolls like you off the stage in a heartbeat, leaving you to piss and moan about how this is just the latest bout of "reverse-racist persecution" for you to endure.

Off to the side, as far as your "native-on-native crime" meme goes, maybe this has something do with it, though obviously coming to terms with that in any meaningful way is a lot more inconvenient than just dismissing the whole lot of them out of hand - and most everyone else, while you're at it - as subhuman.
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Geez, Rob!

When I can't get laid on a Saturday night, I nurse my bruised ego with videogames and pornography. I don't spend the whole night combing through crime statistics!

Were you looking for some correlation with the race of the guy she left with instead of you?
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God has a plan. He was calling them home. Someone else would have acted on God's will, if not for this man.

What is this?

Mockery of people positing hypothetical alternate realities.
"What if I hadn't gone to the grocery store at the exact second I did, I wouldn't have gotten into that car accident."
I don't play that game. But if you want to, I'll play the flip side of that game and just reference an omniscient sky daddy who has a plan for all of us.
A God is a pretty big factor in many conservative people's mentalities, so it is always fair game to pull out the God card, right?


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Mockery of people positing hypothetical alternate realities.

Yes, the wild, alternate reality where the government does its job of preventing 80 year old women from being suffocated by people who don't belong here.

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