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Who is your preferred pokémon?
Joe Biden 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Cory Booker 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Kamala Harris 8%  8%  [ 2 ]
Elizabeth Warren 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Hollywood Celebrity 8%  8%  [ 2 ]
Deval Patrick / Julian Castro 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Donald Trump 35%  35%  [ 9 ]
Michael Avenatti 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Bernard Sanders 38%  38%  [ 10 ]
Hillary Clinton / Michael Bloomberg / Mark Zuckerberg / Chelsea Clinton / Kirsten Gillibrand 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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As goes California, so goes the nation. Besides, the bigger point being made here is that the guy making $150k a year as a programmer or the small business owner taking in $300k aren't the ones raping the economy. Many of them are barely scraping by themselves, thanks to student loan debt and other factors.


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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This bitterness towards them displays what everyone sane has always known about the left -- they've failed, and so they want to tear down everyone that hasn't out of jealousy.


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You're not going to find it here, child. You need to go somewhere where everyone is anonymous. Where you can regurgitate "I hate people" over and over again while copy-pasting whatever FOX or CNN or MSNBC has broadcasted today.

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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$130k "household" income = $65k for one individual. If you're not making that within a few years of graduating from college in an area with a low cost of living, you're a failure. You can literally make more than that by being the general manager at a fast food restaurant.


Lol. Okay.

However, who gives a shit? That's not even the point Bullet Magnet was making. In fact if everyone is making $130k that is all the more reason the SS ceiling should be lifted.
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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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The problem is that the point he was making is at least thirty years past expiration. He still thinks we live in The West Wing, when we actually live in House of Cards.


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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The point he was making that full 100% funding for SS will eventually fall short due to raising inequality and the passive devaluation of the contribution cap. As a reminder, the fund still has a surplus.

Not sure what TV shows have to do with it. Especially that one you mentioned where Hillary gets isekei'd to another world where everything runs on video game logic, and she's the most powerful person for some reason.

That really has nothing to do with the solvency of the SS trust fund.


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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That's right, keep running and stay on that wheel. Stick it to those neolibs who totally give half a shit about what you're gonna be left with when they're all dead and their offspring are high ranking officers in the Amazon Military. Social Security may barely cover your Prime Citizenship subscription, but you'll have the latest movies beamed directly into your brain, so who cares, right?

Just ignore that many current recipients of SS are unable to make ends meet. Also, ignore that life expectancy is dropping for Gen X and millenials, so you may not even get the chance to get pennies on the dollar.


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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GaijinPunch wrote:
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$130k "household" income = $65k for one individual. If you're not making that within a few years of graduating from college in an area with a low cost of living, you're a failure. You can literally make more than that by being the general manager at a fast food restaurant.


Lol. Okay.

However, who gives a shit? That's not even the point Bullet Magnet was making. In fact if everyone is making $130k that is all the more reason the SS ceiling should be lifted.

Yes, of course other people should be paying for you to retire, because everything should be handed to people who can't do jack shit for themselves.

Everyone sane is saving for their own retirement, and hoping SS crashes ASAP.


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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quash wrote:
Just ignore that many current recipients of SS are unable to make ends meet.


quash, I voted for the guy who wanted to increase the payments to these welfare recipients. You remember that, right?

And you are of course correct that things like a universal basic income are going to be used by the elite to fuck us out of full ownership of our own labor. And that they're going to give us the bare minimum to survive if we're lucky, like in that short story Manna.

And if we're slightly unlucky we'll end up as disposable NPCs in a Westworld sort of theme park.

And there's nothing we can do to avoid this. But we can whine and complain about it on the internet.

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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Yes, of course other people should be paying for you to retire


What the fuck are you talking about?
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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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And there's nothing we can do to avoid this. But we can whine and complain about it on the internet.


Oh, there's something we can do about it, we just don't have the will to do it yet because things haven't become visibly fucked enough. Even drone operators and people with nuclear codes have homes they want to go back to at the end of the day.


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:17 am 


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GaijinPunch wrote:
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Yes, of course other people should be paying for you to retire


What the fuck are you talking about?

When we pay SS taxes, they don't go into little boxes labelled "GainjinPunch" or "Obscura". They both go into one big pool. Everyone gets benefits out of that same big pool.

People who have their shit together pay more taxes in (something that you and BM want to increase), thus contributing more to the pool that everyone is paid out of, even though said people are likely funding their own retirement on the side. Does it make sense to you now?


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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When we pay SS taxes, they don't go into little boxes labelled "GainjinPunch" or "Obscura". They both go into one big pool. Everyone gets benefits out of that same big pool.


duh :?

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People who have their shit together pay more taxes in (something that you and BM want to increase),


I never said that.

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Yes. That you don't read so good.
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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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GaijinPunch wrote:
I never said that.

GaijinPunch also wrote:
In fact if everyone is making $130k that is all the more reason the SS ceiling should be lifted.

Uh...


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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I like to think BryanM is doing his part above in preventing the next mass shooting. :wink:

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Is it weird to think that Janine is pretty attractive, at least in ghostbusters 1? Not saying she's my favorite 'ghostbuster'.
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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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Is it weird to think that Janine is pretty attractive, at least in ghostbusters 1?


I don't think so, no.
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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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Obscura wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote:
I never said that.

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In fact if everyone is making $130k that is all the more reason the SS ceiling should be lifted.

Uh...


I was clarifying BM's point which is far more apparent w/o selective editing - and how you were tangentalizing. Personally I don't want to pay more, for quite a few reasons: one for the probability of jumping between a couple of pensions systems and the snafus inherited.
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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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Is it weird to think that Janine is pretty attractive, at least in ghostbusters 1?


I don't think so, no.

Jesus, Bateman's hair.
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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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Is it weird to think that Janine is pretty attractive, at least in ghostbusters 1? Not saying she's my favorite 'ghostbuster'.


That's pretty normal.

Didn't like what they did with her in GB2 (she didn't even play Super Mario Brothers!) - Ramis's words on the commentary about it doesn't seem like they thought too long about the character. Winston also got screwed out of a little extra characterization, some scenes that sounded kind of great.

It could be forgivable if what we got to fill time instead wasn't a huge focus on Dana's inert larvae and her bullshit problems with ghosts yet again. Ghostbusters 3 (the video game) was better for her absence, imo. She's definitely the worst ghostbuster.


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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So Trump has gone and thanked the Saudis for oil prices, and implicitly acknowledged MbS could well have known that Jamal Kashoggi was going to be murdered.

Yesterday Trump told a lie, that the rotund and unoffensive columnist was an "enemy of a state" on top of it, further signalling that perhaps it was OK after all.

Trump's WH wants to push the limits of the Posse Comitatus Act. He has said that a thrown rock should be met with bullets. The last time armed military watched the border, an American was killed by a Marine. ICE already carry weapons and can defend themselves, but the WH thinks nothing of the military doctrine of measured response, a cornerstone of human rights and a protection to the service members - not to mention nuclear weapons use.

Lots of Republicans seem to share Trump's view that rules are meant to be broken. But the rules give people in the United States and outside a yardstick to measure US response. If we give a pass to MbS on strangling a mild critic, we will be emboldening a developing Hussein or Ghaddafi. If we start chipping away at the rules governing how the standing army is used, we may end up with concentration camps and pugnacious leadership that thinks it can take on the whole world.

We also have found out that Trump may very likely be waking up in the middle of the night, confused, angry, and disappointed that his dreams of locking up such terrible criminals as James Comey and Hilary Clinton have not come to pass. He reportedly attempted to order the Justice Department to prosecute them, but thankfully was rebuffed by his former counsel.

When Hitler visited the Reichstag after the fire, Sefton Delmer tells us that he probably had no previous knowledge. But his political instincts told him that it was a political gift. "Got grant that it was the Communists," Delmer recounts Hitler exclaiming. In the same situation, Trump would have the same political instincts. We cannot think that "this is America, bad things don't happen here" and then continue to allow the Republican Party leadership to chip away at the vision of the Founding Fathers for a country based on laws, wise leadership, and protection for civil liberties.
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$130k "household" income = $65k for one individual. If you're not making that within a few years of graduating from college in an area with a low cost of living, you're a failure.

I know, $130K isn't even a lot of money. Multiple times that will get you enough money to buy a small-ish two story house and donate a bit to your local church...in Michigan.

Welcome to the world where we, the voting public, keep giving the worst boss imaginable not only all the money, but also all the political power.


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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Ed Oscuro wrote:
continue to allow the Republican Party leadership to chip away at the vision of the Founding Fathers for a country based on laws, wise leadership, and protection for civil liberties.

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Our literally white nationalist Founding Fathers and the vision they had of a country where foreigners vault over the border to steal services from their demonized and overtaxed descendants. I hate to have to be this way, but this retconning of U.S. historical figures as 'highly flawed' social justice warriors is too much. They would have no qualms about shooting belligerents, rock or no rock.

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A strict observation of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property, and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means.


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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Our literally white nationalist Founding Fathers and the vision they had of a country where foreigners vault over the border to steal services from their demonized and overtaxed descendants.



I've asked you before and you've failed to provide any meaningful response (and no, Breitbart or screen captures of anecdotes are not reliable sources), so here it goes again: Can you please show which services can illegal aliens get to the point they can be considered stolen, and how? Because I myself can't qualify for many benefits despite having entered the country legally and gotten my petition done by the book, until I accrue at least 10 years of solid employment history. So please, tell me which sort of tricks all those border jumpers are using that they can enjoy with impunity services I myself am forbidden to.
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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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Rob, this isn't even about whites vs. Others anymore, it's about Trump putting our military and citizenry in danger to score political points.

But yeah I'll be waiting to see your detailed image macro posts on the day he gets booted out of office. Can't happen soon enough.

At the very least let's spare a thought for the troops that would like to be home on Thanksgiving.


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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Can you guys stop indulging his racelord problems and start indulging my Ghostbusters problems

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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Ed Oscuro wrote:
At the very least let's spare a thought for the troops that would like to be home on Thanksgiving.


Of all the things I can't stand from liberals, the laughable facade of caring about the military has got to be at or near the top of the list.

Don't worry, neocons will get the rope too, but at least they're more honest about being modern day slave drivers. They at least have the decency to create the veterans they don't care about by sending them to fight wars that don't do anything for the country they're supposedly fighting for, and the decency to make sure there's always a carrot at the end of the stick, even if it's not what it used to be. But liberals? Not only do you not care, you actively vilify servicemembers, too. The only time you ever bother to mention them with anything less than complete disdain is when you think it'll score points with military families and those generally sympathetic toward the cause, because the military itself, by and large, cannot stand your constant meddling in its affairs. The only general exceptions to this that I've seen are younger members who just joined and the people who have managed to dodge deployment their entire time in who see it as a welfare program (because for them, it may as well be).

Stop pretending to care about something you don't, because it makes anyone with a clue want to gouge their eyeballs out. Case in point: https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1 ... 96320?s=19


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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Can you please show which services can illegal aliens get to the point they can be considered stolen, and how?


The easiest way is to have a kid: https://www.gao.gov/mobile/products/hehs-98-30

The second easiest way is to move to California: https://www.latimes.com/local/californi ... story.html


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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Quash, Quash, Quash... without disrespect, I asked Rob because he always keeps on making those claims without a single iota of proof that can't be refuted, if at all. But now that you've come up with another of your irritatingly oblique responses as usual, let's address it. First, a definition:

Webster's Dictionary wrote:

Steal:

1 : To take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice.


Hope that's clear. If it is, let's proceed:

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The easiest way is to have a kid: https://www.gao.gov/mobile/products/hehs-98-30


Did you even read what you're quoting?

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Pursuant to a legislative mandate, GAO provided information on the extent to which means-tested public benefits are provided to illegal aliens for the use of eligible individuals, focusing on: (1) the extent and the locations that selected federal means-tested benefits are being provided to illegal aliens for use by their U.S. citizen children



If the benefits are provided for use by their qualifying citizen child, they're not being stolen. Does abuse happen? Yes. With people of all ethnicities, races, origins and backgrounds. Does every single one of those parents do it? We both know the answer is no. But let me ask you the following according to your definition: If I were to have a citizen child myself who would qualify for and received the aforementioned benefits, is that also stealing because I'm a foreigner? And if not, is the defining factor the legality of the parent? Please, do answer this.

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The second easiest way is to move to California: https://www.latimes.com/local/californi ... story.html


We discussed this before, but here it goes again: If those driver licenses were granted so that they could track and force people to get insurance (which protects and benefits more than just the recipients of such), how is that stealing? Or what? Would we rather have a bunch of people driving without insurance and/or a record so they can be held accountable? This is a privilege and requirement situation here. Not theft.

Cracking down on employers who withhold pay from illegal workers after hiring them? OMG THE ILLEGALS ARE STEALING EMPLOYERS' RIGHT TO STEAL!!!!! HOW DARE THEY NOT WORK FOR FREE?????????

Outside of the sentence above, there is nothing in that article that would fit the definition of "Taking the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice", but of course, Quashy, since you can't avoid linking "Illegal" and "immigrant" with "thief", all of the above is lost on you. Argument refuted.
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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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I really don't want to argue with you because you are overly emotional on the subject. I just can't stand for the situation being falsely presented, either.

As it stands, birthright citizenship is a loophole used by both illegal immigrants and enterprising individuals living abroad. In the interest of fairness, it's worth pointing out that birth tourism and similar scams are not exclusive among any one group of people. Wikipedia has a surprisingly good entry on this issue in that it isn't overtly biased and even subtly implies that the US and Canada are the fucked up countries for allowing this to continue. Like most aspects of the modern migration racket, legal or otherwise, I don't necessarily blame the individuals coming here, though they would be better served by being less shortsighted. Above all else, I blame our intentionally incompetent government for not only allowing it, but for subsidizing it.

As to how this qualifies as theft, it's really quite simple. The premise of taxation is that it will fund essential government services for the benefit of citizens. Illegal immigrants aren't citizens, no matter how much anyone wants to argue it. Even the "gray area" of DACA recipients becomes pretty clear if you read the section of US code that pertains to immigration, but what can I say, we are a merciful nation when it's convenient for particular interests.

Anyways, citizens pay taxes (some of which consider the act in and of itself to be theft) and non-citizens get benefits. Even if you want to argue that illegal immigrants pay taxes (which is of course true to an extent), the proportional impact of both groups is so hilariously skewed that you'd be hurting your position by bringing it up. So it is theft, like it or not, because citizens are paying in to a system that is helping illegally residing non-citizens to any degree.

You are also making a whole lot of assumptions about the impact of things like having a driver's license. For starters, not everyone that has a license has insurance in California. I'd know, because I'm one of them (for the record, I don't drive in the state so I have no use for it). Don't think for a moment that everyone on the road is insured, either. The list goes on.

Again, I really don't want to antagonize you because I can tell you have an emotional investment in the subject and I don't want to entertain that aspect of the discourse surrounding it. We get enough of that on TV and social media. Maybe one day we can have actual, comprehensive immigration reform and put all this behind us. I'd really like for that day to come, but until then, we have to be reminded of why that needs to happen in the first place.


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary
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Anyways, citizens pay taxes


I paid a fuck ton of taxes in Japan, and I'm not remotely a citizen.
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