Prelude to the Apocalypse

[BIL]

Speaking of which, correct me if I'm wrong on this, but concerning the misdemeanor charges against Rittenhouse, specifically the weapons charge, did I read correctly that the judge basically said "I personally don't like that statute, so I'm just going to dismiss that charge"? If this is the case, I can only wonder what the usual screaming mimis who constantly freak out over "judicial activism" might have to say about it...if they weren't all hiding.

AFAIK, the gun charge was invalid from the beginning, due to barrel length (in the best tradition of dick jokes, Rittenhouse's met the legally required length). Apparently this wasn't caught until very late, like early this last week. Given all the prosecutorial antics, I wasn't too surprised. FWIW, my gun nut uncle and cousins in Florida were going apoplectic at the judge for not intervening enough on the defense's behalf.

EDIT: Yup. Blimey, the booze hasn't done me in just yet.

Hours before closing arguments began on Monday, Judge Bruce Schroeder granted a defense motion to toss out the weapons charge. Rittenhouse attorneys Mark Richards and Corey Chirafisi pointed to an exception in the law that they said allows minors to possess shotguns and rifles as long as they’re not short-barreled.

Assistant District Attorney James Kraus argued that the exception renders the state’s prohibition on minors possessing dangerous weapons meaningless. But when he acknowledged that Rittenhouse’s rifle’s barrel was longer than 16 inches, the minimum barrel length allowed under state law, Schroeder dismissed the charge.

To Kenosha-based defense attorney Michael Cicchini, the statute clearly requires a weapon to be short-barreled to apply, and the judge made the right call.

“There doesn’t seem to be much ambiguity here,” he said. “(The charge) should have been dismissed earlier.”

[BulletMagnet]

If I read the article you linked correctly that sounds very much like a "letter of the law, but not the spirit" situation - most everyone quoted seems to agree that the exception (which is very weirdly inserted as it is; why even bother making a separate statute for minors at all, when it apparently defers to a separate prohibition on certain weapons that applies to all citizens, including adults?) was intended to allow minors to possess hunting rifles, and that including military-style firearms was almost certainly not the intention of the writers...toss this one on the "structural issues that need to be addressed" pile.

[GaijinPunch]

FWIW, my gun nut uncle and cousins in Florida

And the enigma that is BIL thickens... At this point I am not sure the universe can handle me meeting you in person.

[BIL]

First, you must hear the even stranger tale of a young Englishman who ventured to the former colonies in search of the elusive GHETTO BOOTY, which he'd spotted while enjoying the Soul Train on his newfangled colour television.

Nah, seafaring people, tiny island, getting hold of car parts and other things can be a pain - people tend to come and go for work, if nothing else. That same uncle was an OG weeaboo, brought my granny back a model plane from his many merchant seaman trips to Japan, still CIB in her china cabinet. Also, one of those cousins is a very out and proud homogenius, which doesn't go very well back home where gay marriage is still illegal, the poor bastard. 3; Million and one reasons to live overseas, at least part-time, especially if you've got the mutt cred, that is, your old man is a jungle fever-crazed white guy.

[GaijinPunch]

So eloquently put. Part of the reason I come back here.

I'm not sure I'm any better. I certainly don't travel the world to chase ass. If it so happens while I'm there, fine. But I'm only in 'merica for one reason: them greenbacks. No Disney Dollars for me. "Can't buy pussy and weed with that!" [Dave Chapelle]. I have a rather expensive mouth to feed so really have to go to the highest bidder (or at least close to it) if I ever want to consider actually fucking retiring... and Silicon Valley is where it's at, both in actual pay and sheer volume of opportunities if I ever got sick of my job. It's pretty nuts.

Could all change, but I can't ever see myself earning even close to what I make here in Japan, despite the fact I already have the visa and both the linguistic and cultural skills to make the average Tanaka-san's jaw drop. Reminds me of what a colleague said to our local go to guy at Samsung Securities who was going to the US to get a masters degree when they were taking ages to find his replacement: He postulated, "It just takes a long time to find the right person." To which my colleague replied, "Bilingual Harvard graduates that work for free? I would imagine." Korea and Japan may hate each other but they share a common love for working their employees to the bone and giving them peanuts.

Back to your regularly scheduled non-tangential topic...

[BIL]

I kick myself sometimes at not considering either Florida or Illinois, when I were a lad raring to GTFO. Many fond times visiting family in both, and (hindsight, 20/20, etc) Burgerland's a helluva lot nearer Jam than fookin Ingerland is. Me and my brothers have inadvertently undone our old man's mad quest for New World Ghetto Booty. Where the white wimmenz at >_>

Not that he cares while we can mail him things he likes off ebay, like brake discs, whose sellers tend to ban tiny third-world nations on sight, mostly for the gaping ass-backwards eldritch horrors of our shipping and customs regimes.

This may be of interest, RE Wisconsin v Rittenhouse and precedent. Or at least publicity. Maybe karma will allow a chomo takedown twofer? Pls? As stand-in Shumps Pope while RegalSin is away, I can confirm Jesus says it's A-OK to blast the chomos. I thought this was MURICA, where God's Word Is Law!

https://meaww.com/chrystul-kizer-what-h ... se-verdict

[GaijinPunch]

I kick myself sometimes at not considering either Florida or Illinois, when I were a lad raring to GTFO. Many fond times visiting family in both, and (hindsight, 20/20, etc) Burgerland's a helluva lot nearer Jam than fookin Ingerland is. Me and my brothers have inadvertently undone our old man's mad quest for New World Ghetto Booty. Where the white wimmenz at >_>

Chicago is soul crushingly cold. Florida is Florida. But they are still top choices if you're going to live in the colonies.

This may be of interest, RE Wisconsin v Rittenhouse and precedent. Or at least publicity. Maybe karma will allow a chomo takedown twofer? Pls? As stand-in Shumps Pope while RegalSin is away, I can confirm Jesus says it's A-OK to blast the chomos. I thought this was MURICA, where God's Word Is Law!

Yeah, unfortunate for her she's black. I mean, this reads like an onion article: raped minor kills her pedophile and escapes in his car - and then goes to fucking jail.

[Randorama]

If the topic would have been "wild tangents", I could have run BIL ragged (it all started with my grandpa, go figure).
It isn't, so I keep it warm and fresh for when we can meet in a park, sit on a bench wearing Italian style coppola hats and have slick walking canes, and reminisce.

[Vanguard]

People with an abnormal fixation on the police somehow (very mysteriously) tend to be the dregs of society

Ironically the police also tend to be the dregs of society!

[Sima Tuna]

Calls to lock him up until he's in his forties or beyond, I'd hope most would recognise as unproductive, if nothing else (not that I get the impression you or anyone else ITT wants him caged thus).

I honestly hesitate to even attempt to propose what a "just" sentence might look like in this case, since there are so many contrary factors to weigh against each other (he did something really stupid...but he's a minor; he shot three people...but he was being assaulted, etc.), but as I've already said, putting specifics aside, what concerns me more than anything else is that so many people think that Rittenhouse did literally nothing wrong, and moreover that anyone who dares suggest otherwise is more of a "threat" than out-of-their-league armed vigilantes like him. Even if he had been convicted in some fashion, that sentiment would still remain, and it would still bother the living hell out of me.

I have been very hesitant to say anything about this case, since I suspect my opinion differs strongly from that of many people on this forum.

I will only say this. I think Rittenhouse did something very stupid. He open carried a firearm into a dangerous area. Even for the most pure and humanitarian motives, it is stupid to place yourself in a dangerous position like that.

However.

He was assaulted by three absolute pieces of human excrement. One was a convicted rapist of little boys. One of the others had an illegal weapons charge IIRC. So yes, Kyle did something stupid by showing up to such a riot. But that does not excuse what the three pieces of shit did. Which was to assault him. Supposedly there were even calls for the mob to kill Kyle. He definitely had reason to fear for his life. One of the assailants had a gun, which he pointed at Kyle before Kyle fired a shot.

Everything I've seen shows that Kyle did not break any laws in the procurement or carry of his firearm. Which cannot be said for his assailants, who were trying to, at the very least, assault another human being and probably murder him (seeing as one had a gun and pointed it at Kyle.)

The only argument the ridiculously inept and corrupt prosecution could offer was Kyle should have sat back and taken an ass-beating (or worse.) What kind of shit is that? Just let the mob kill you? Because vigilantism is bad? If vigilantism is bad, then so is a mob assaulting a 17 year old.

Kyle's motives for showing up are known only to Kyle. I've heard it said he was there to render medical aid. I've also heard it said he was there to murder black people. >_> If the latter, then he failed spectacularly, as all his victims were white. This should have never been framed as any sort of racial crime, and shows why news media cannot be trusted.

I particularly hate the way Kyle's "victims" have been sainted by certain individuals. They were all shit people. Woman-beaters, child rapists and felony criminals. The pedo rapist in particular should have been executed long before, and by an adult. He should never have been allowed back onto the streets to cause trouble. I take a Frank Castle approach with child rapists. It's a great shame that Kyle was forced to kill someone who should not have been alive anyway.

In summation,

Kyle did nothing illegal.
Kyle was in fear for his life.
Kyle shot and killed after being threatened by a gun.
Kyle's motives will never be known, and he was young and dumb.

I don't see how a jury could return any verdict other than innocent. The stupidity of showing up to a riot open carrying is not something the government can punish with prison time. Riots are not a government-protected activity. Open carrying is your right, as is filming (something else that rioters hate.)

Those who hate open-carry or who believe "assault weapons" (read: any semi-automatic rifle with more than 5 rounds, depending who you ask) should be banned, well that is an entirely separate discussion from Kyle's trial and cannot be considered as a mark against him. He was following the laws of the land where he lives.

[Rob]

Ironically the police also tend to be the dregs of society!

Isn't this the fashionable opinion until someone needs help? People who hate the police includes a large number whose antisocial behavior attracts outsized attention from the police. It makes logical sense that the worst people America has to offer are drawn to anti-policing movements like BLM (because they're recidivist criminals). Like, it appears, our most recent terrorist Darrell Brooks.

[BIL]

Chicago is soul crushingly cold.

Haha, yeah - everyone was all "u mus be cold!" when I first moved to the UK, but over twenty years on, even the worst winters here were merely uncomfortable. That dry, burning NA/Canada cold that clamps onto exposed skin is another matter entirely. 3;

There's always a colder dude somewhere out there, though!

If the topic would have been "wild tangents", I could have run BIL ragged (it all started with my grandpa, go figure).
It isn't, so I keep it warm and fresh for when we can meet in a park, sit on a bench wearing Italian style coppola hats and have slick walking canes, and reminisce.

It'll be like the final shot of Godfather III, except the dude gets back up for another credit.

In recent upsetting news, RE: the Waukesha Wisconsin parade ramming - the fuck is it with WI and violent pedos? Third one on this page.

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Blimey, same red Ford Escape appeared in the music video for he INSIGHTFUR RAP w/ FR£$H B£ATZ. (@ 0m55s) EDIT: aaand it's gone.

[BulletMagnet]

Kyle did nothing illegal.

Again, I hesitate to speculate on precisely what Rittenhouse's sentence "should have been", but I also think it's worth keeping in mind that "illegal" and "wrong" do not always line up; precisely where the line is drawn, of course, is an argument for each individual to make, but as I said I find it difficult to simply shrug my shoulders at Rittenhouse because, as you acknowledge, he wouldn't have had cause to fear for his life or encounter the "human excrement" he shot if he hadn't made the idiot move of showing up in the first place (once again, with his parents' blessing).

It might be a difficult matter to define specifically in legal form, but I do think that something about the various circumstances that led to this situation need to be addressed, because even if you think the people he shot deserved to die, as things stand a whole lot more Rittenhouses will be coming out of the woodwork (with open encouragement from some of our leaders, at that), and if you truly do value the rule of law (which you might want to seriously ask yourself, in light of your approval of fatal vigilante justice in this case) that should make you profoundly uneasy.

[Durandal]

Kyle did nothing illegal.

Again, I hesitate to speculate on precisely what Rittenhouse's sentence "should have been", but I also think it's worth keeping in mind that "illegal" and "wrong" do not always line up; precisely where the line is drawn, of course, is an argument for each individual to make, but as I said I find it difficult to simply shrug my shoulders at Rittenhouse because, as you acknowledge, he wouldn't have had cause to fear for his life or encounter the "human excrement" he shot if he hadn't made the idiot move of showing up in the first place (once again, with his parents' blessing).

It might be a difficult matter to define specifically in legal form, but I do think that something about the various circumstances that led to this situation need to be addressed, because even if you think the people he shot deserved to die, as things stand a whole lot more Rittenhouses will be coming out of the woodwork (with open encouragement from some of our leaders, at that), and if you truly do value the rule of law (which you might want to seriously ask yourself, in light of your approval of fatal vigilante justice in this case) that should make you profoundly uneasy.

I do believe that at the bare minimum, you shouldn't be allowed to openly carry into an escalated riot situation. That's endangering yourself and everyone around you. That other bystanders who didn't try to pull a move on Rittenhouse haven't been accidentally shot, or that there weren't other people who didn't exploit the advantage of crowd anonymity and Rittenhouse being a sitting duck to land a sneak critical hit (and then maybe even successfully claim self-defense afterwards) is quite frankly a miracle.

If you want to defend the Ultimate Gas Station or other private property, then you should do so from inside that property where the lines between here and there are clear--not by walking down the street into the eye of the storm, let alone completely by yourself. Whether open carry serves as a de-escalating factor in protests that are already peaceful is up for debate, but I strongly doubt that it can de-escalate in a situation where the tension is already sky high and where you being all by yourself makes you slim pickings for the mob.

I do hope that those gloating over Rittenhouse's acquittal realize that the precedent set here can be readily abused by agitators of any side of the stripe. Nobody benefits from that.

[Sima Tuna]

Kyle did nothing illegal.

Again, I hesitate to speculate on precisely what Rittenhouse's sentence "should have been", but I also think it's worth keeping in mind that "illegal" and "wrong" do not always line up; precisely where the line is drawn, of course, is an argument for each individual to make, but as I said I find it difficult to simply shrug my shoulders at Rittenhouse because, as you acknowledge, he wouldn't have had cause to fear for his life or encounter the "human excrement" he shot if he hadn't made the idiot move of showing up in the first place (once again, with his parents' blessing).

It might be a difficult matter to define specifically in legal form, but I do think that something about the various circumstances that led to this situation need to be addressed, because even if you think the people he shot deserved to die, as things stand a whole lot more Rittenhouses will be coming out of the woodwork (with open encouragement from some of our leaders, at that), and if you truly do value the rule of law (which you might want to seriously ask yourself, in light of your approval of fatal vigilante justice in this case) that should make you profoundly uneasy.

If he did nothing illegal, how could he be punished legally? Isn't that immoral in itself? You're basically saying that he didn't do anything illegal but should still be punished by the law. He had a right to carry that firearm openly. He had as much right to be at that riot as the rioters. Why is so much made of all the things Kyle did wrong (the only thing he did "wrong" was to show up, which is only "wrong" from a particular moral point of view based around not antagonizing violent rioters), but none made of what the rioters did wrong? How about, don't use a skateboard as a weapon? Don't point a loaded pistol at someone if you aren't ready to die? Don't chase someone who is running away from you?

I believe Kyle's position is he was there to render humanitarian medical aid. We will never know his true motives, but how could any court punish someone for showing up to give humanitarian aid? How can anyone punish based on him supposedly having improper motives if nobody can prove what motives he had?

I've heard that this case will cause hundreds more rittenhouses to jump out and start blasting, but I don't believe it. First off, if these supposed Rittenhouse 2.0 Terminators are only killing people who are trying to murder them and in the process of doing such, then I don't see as I could oppose it. If they all show Rittenhouse's restraint, that could hardly even be called vigilantism. Maybe someone should tell rioters not to attack and attempt to murder individuals who are openly carrying firearms? Crazy, I know. But we're always being told by the media that this event or that event will cause an army of RIGHT WING DEATH SQUADS to pull up with 69 uzis to ethnically cleanse the neighborhood. I believe it about as much as I believed Jack Thompson when he said GTA causes mass shootings. Are there a couple of sick individuals who have been inspired by GTA to commit crimes? Yes. But the overwhelming majority of people have not been affected one way or another by the pixel looney tunes car-stealing, shoot-gunning mayhem vidya. Some serial killers are inspired by previous serial killers, this is also true. But there are not millions of serial killers running around because of Charles Manson. If you mean, by "a wave" that maybe three or four people might try to 2A bait a conflict (which was happening well before rittenhouse, mostly within the sovereign shittyzen movement), then sure. But look at how badly the media tarred and feathered Rittenhouse without any proof. Who would willingly sign up to be called a white supremacist nazi by the news media 24/7 for the rest of their natural life?

Maybe you should ask yourself how many copycats George Zimmerman caused. At least the racial angle the media took in the Zimmerman case had more heft to it than here! God damn! There was a hell of a lot more ambiguity to that case, too. We know exactly what happened in the Rittenhouse case and we know he didn't break any laws. We know the people who were attacking him were armed and had expressed a desire (or the mob had) to murder him.

And yes I do think that child rapists should be killed. By the courts. The court should sentence them to death and they should be executed for that particular crime. Did you rape a child? If yes, go to death. Do not pass go. So the child rapist that Kyle killed should never have been alive to put him in that position. But even if you don't support the death penalty for child rapists, you must certainly agree that said rapist of children should have been still incarcerated. He should never have been freed.

[BIL]

Man I love the internet. You can see the horrors of a faraway place; meet the architects of law face to face; see mass murder on a scale never seen... AND all the ones who try hard to succeed:

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Blimey, bit dark love. Dead kid parts probably still in the Escape's front grill.

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Waaa!

[orange808]

That's quite the blood thirst, Sima Tuna. If someone rapes my grandma, they don't deserve to die? Are older lady parts not "to die for"?

What if you turn a blind eye to child rape tourism or make money as an enabler? Do you also deserve to die? A lot of conservatives making some odd trips to South Pacific nations. Does that count? A lot of people everywhere making money off that sex tourism and a lot of policians doing nothing about it.

Oh do please go on...

Dehumanizing is a slippery slope. I prefer to avoid it entirely (and try to catch myself when the urge strikes), but I'm certain you (in your infinite wisdom) can strike the right balance.

[Koa Zo]

He was assaulted by three absolute pieces of human excrement. One was a convicted rapist of little boys. One of the others had an illegal weapons charge IIRC. So yes, Kyle did something stupid by showing up to such a riot. But that does not excuse what the three pieces of shit did. Which was to assault him. Supposedly there were even calls for the mob to kill Kyle. He definitely had reason to fear for his life. One of the assailants had a gun, which he pointed at Kyle before Kyle fired a shot.

Everything I've seen shows that Kyle did not break any laws in the procurement or carry of his firearm. Which cannot be said for his assailants, who were trying to, at the very least, assault another human being and probably murder him (seeing as one had a gun and pointed it at Kyle.)

The only argument the ridiculously inept and corrupt prosecution could offer was Kyle should have sat back and taken an ass-beating (or worse.) What kind of shit is that? Just let the mob kill you? Because vigilantism is bad? If vigilantism is bad, then so is a mob assaulting a 17 year old.

Kyle's motives for showing up are known only to Kyle. I've heard it said he was there to render medical aid. I've also heard it said he was there to murder black people. >_> If the latter, then he failed spectacularly, as all his victims were white. This should have never been framed as any sort of racial crime, and shows why news media cannot be trusted.

I particularly hate the way Kyle's "victims" have been sainted by certain individuals. They were all shit people. Woman-beaters, child rapists and felony criminals. The pedo rapist in particular should have been executed long before, and by an adult. He should never have been allowed back onto the streets to cause trouble. I take a Frank Castle approach with child rapists. It's a great shame that Kyle was forced to kill someone who should not have been alive anyway.

I'd heard this talking point spouted from Buck Sexton, Hannity and others last week.
So effectively you are celebrating the killing of those people? You are eager and direct in your desire to justify their killing. "They were all shit people" after all.

Why would anyone have wanted to give Kyle "an ass beating"? Because he was parading himself around looking to kill people? Or because he just did kill someone? hmmm, maybe a combination of the two. But really that didn't happen, it is a fantasy, there was no ass beating. But there was Kyle looking to shoot people, and he did. Surprise!

I never got the sense the shootings were "a racial crime" from the "news media" I read and listened to. I know Fox news, Hannity, Sexton etc all said it was framed as a racial crime, but they say a lot of things that aren't based in reality, it's hard for their followers and those in that echo chamber to know the difference.

"One of the assailants had a gun, which he pointed at Kyle before Kyle fired a shot"
How was Kyle "assailed"? Seriously, how? that person never laid a hand on Kyle.
Why did that person point a gun at Kyle? Oh, because Kyle had just shot someone else and was (as appeared to those in attendance) escaping. You disingenuous justifiers of Kyles shooting spree can't put that 2 and 2 together?

[BIL]

I never got the sense the shootings were "a racial crime" from the "news media" I read and listened to. I know Fox news, Hannity, Sexton etc all said it was framed as a racial crime, but they say a lot of things that aren't based in reality, it's hard for their followers and those in that echo chamber to know the difference.

I don't know who any of those people are. Well no, I recognise Sean (?) Hannity, because I read this thread. Couldn't pick him out of a lineup though. I didn't get a sense of race-baiting from US media until the last month or so, when it seems to have ramped up. Joy Reid's really putting in the work, to name one.

However I think most of it's coming from social media, an even bigger blocked toilet of misinformation and inflamed passion than mainstream news media.

How was Kyle "assailed"? Seriously, how? that person never laid a hand on Kyle.
Why did that person point a gun at Kyle? Oh, because Kyle had just shot someone else and was (as appeared to those in attendance) escaping. You disingenuous justifiers of Kyles shooting spree can't put that 2 and 2 together?

Grosskreutz was dumb enough to attempt an 1337 false surrender + headshot move, which cost him an arm. Kyle had actually told him just beforehand that he was going to the police line, right before someone yelled "Cranium that dude" and he, Freeland and Huber all made spirited attempts to do so. Shitty situation all around.

[Vanguard]

Isn't this the fashionable opinion until someone needs help? People who hate the police includes a large number whose antisocial behavior attracts outsized attention from the police. It makes logical sense that the worst people America has to offer are drawn to anti-policing movements like BLM (because they're recidivist criminals). Like, it appears, our most recent terrorist Darrell Brooks.

A lot of people hate cops because they needed help, only to find the police useless or even worse than useless. American police are far too prone to violence. They rob people all the time. They're extremely frequent domestic abusers. They cover up their own crimes, they cover up each others' crimes. Good cops who blow the whistle on bad cops get punished and don't keep their jobs for long. The worst scumbag cops, even ones who straight up commit murder for no reason, seldom get punished, and are often rewarded with paid time off, or even early retirement pay which they can live on for the rest of their lives.

Your dregs of society will, of course, never get along well with law enforcement, and we do, of course, need some form of law enforcement. Neither of those changes the fact that our current law enforcers are dogshit.

Don't let partisan politics turn issues into good guys vs bad guys. Violent thugs being bad doesn't make the cops good, and vice versa.

[drauch]

We don't really need them cops anyway ya know when we can just carry around AR-15s nyuck nyuck. I already got baby drauch jr. ready. 3rd birthday we got 'em a lil baby blue derringer (with nickle plating handle) to take to daycare in case any tike tries to take away his blanky.

[orange808]

We don't really need them cops anyway ya know when we can just carry around AR-15s nyuck nyuck. I already got baby drauch jr. ready. 3rd birthday we got 'em a lil baby blue derringer (with nickle plating handle) to take to daycare in case any tike tries to take away his blanky.

lmao!

Well done. May I suggest a battery operated monster truck to motor about with his cool cold steel blue beauty and provide humanitarian and medical aid? I don't mean passing out blankies, of course. I mean passing out bullets for justice--or self defense. Same thing, really.

[Sima Tuna]

That's quite the blood thirst, Sima Tuna. If someone rapes my grandma, they don't deserve to die? Are older lady parts not "to die for"?

What if you turn a blind eye to child rape tourism or make money as an enabler? Do you also deserve to die? A lot of conservatives making some odd trips to South Pacific nations. Does that count? A lot of people everywhere making money off that sex tourism and a lot of policians doing nothing about it.

Oh do please go on...

Dehumanizing is a slippery slope. I prefer to avoid it entirely (and try to catch myself when the urge strikes), but I'm certain you (in your infinite wisdom) can strike the right balance.

I'm ok with dehumanizing child rapists. I don't care if they're conservative or liberal. I don't think there's any slippery slope to that. Rape a child = death sentence. Pretty easy to just stop there. Is it bloodlust to believe some crimes are so heinous that the criminal forfeits their right to life? I don't think so. Sounds like you disagree.

What justifies Kyle's actions is not the character of his attackers. What justifies his actions are the clear and present danger to his life, the fact he was acting within the law and those attacking him showed every sign of intending to kill him. Which is what the jury decided.

I simply mention that, in addition to all of this, Kyle's attackers were scum. Criminals with records of serious violent offenses. One of the attackers was convicted multiple times for child rape. And that is the one who, at the very least, should have still been in prison. It's a failure of our justice system that someone could be convicted of such extreme crimes and yet walk around free. I see people on social media parading photos of Kyle's attackers as if they were martyrs and heroes. This is not just "fox news" or whatever. I'm talking about things I have actually seen people post. It's worth it to correct the record on their character, lest anyone claim they were super awesome guys.

[BIL]

Madam X has the best chomo hate

[Mischief Maker]

I'm ok with dehumanizing child rapists. I don't care if they're conservative or liberal. I don't think there's any slippery slope to that. Rape a child = death sentence. Pretty easy to just stop there. Is it bloodlust to believe some crimes are so heinous that the criminal forfeits their right to life? I don't think so. Sounds like you disagree.

I'm gonna call in a ringer for this one.

[orange808]

That's quite the blood thirst, Sima Tuna. If someone rapes my grandma, they don't deserve to die? Are older lady parts not "to die for"?

What if you turn a blind eye to child rape tourism or make money as an enabler? Do you also deserve to die? A lot of conservatives making some odd trips to South Pacific nations. Does that count? A lot of people everywhere making money off that sex tourism and a lot of policians doing nothing about it.

Oh do please go on...

Dehumanizing is a slippery slope. I prefer to avoid it entirely (and try to catch myself when the urge strikes), but I'm certain you (in your infinite wisdom) can strike the right balance.

I'm ok with dehumanizing child rapists. I don't care if they're conservative or liberal. I don't think there's any slippery slope to that. Rape a child = death sentence. Pretty easy to just stop there. Is it bloodlust to believe some crimes are so heinous that the criminal forfeits their right to life? I don't think so. Sounds like you disagree.

What justifies Kyle's actions is not the character of his attackers. What justifies his actions are the clear and present danger to his life, the fact he was acting within the law and those attacking him showed every sign of intending to kill him. Which is what the jury decided.

I simply mention that, in addition to all of this, Kyle's attackers were scum. Criminals with records of serious violent offenses. One of the attackers was convicted multiple times for child rape. And that is the one who, at the very least, should have still been in prison. It's a failure of our justice system that someone could be convicted of such extreme crimes and yet walk around free. I see people on social media parading photos of Kyle's attackers as if they were martyrs and heroes. This is not just "fox news" or whatever. I'm talking about things I have actually seen people post. It's worth it to correct the record on their character, lest anyone claim they were super awesome guys.

Oh yes. The characters of his murder victims don't matter at all. I mean, you obviously don't believe that has any bearing on anything. How could anyone have ever doubted your factual or partisan neutrality??

I never said a thing about the verdict falling outside the law--in terms of questioning the verdict. Not sure why you mentioned it all. Your respect for the law is absolute. You're an oak. I haven't followed any of the background stories of the dead. (I'm behind, I guess.) I assume they paid the lawful penalty for their indiscretions? I'm asking for friend. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

Good thing Batman did the research and hunted down the criminals for us. He knew they were baddies, right? I haven't heard the audio. It's entirely possible they shouted "we're child rapists, whatcha gonna do?!"

Still not clear on why granny vaj isn't a deadly sin, but I'm also behind on my ethics studies.

[BIL]

To be fair, Rosenbaum did specifically instruct Rittenhouse to bust on him.

[orange808]

To be fair, Rosenbaum did specifically instruct Rittenhouse to bust on him.

I mean, Rittenhouse already had himself a raging hard on!

[BIL]

At least in chomo-vision, I guess! He certainly was pedalling those manlet legs as hard as he could in pursuit of fleeing underage boipucci.

[Durandal]

I'm ok with dehumanizing child rapists. I don't care if they're conservative or liberal. I don't think there's any slippery slope to that. Rape a child = death sentence. Pretty easy to just stop there. Is it bloodlust to believe some crimes are so heinous that the criminal forfeits their right to life? I don't think so. Sounds like you disagree.

Like I said before in this thread, the dirty shit pulled by the prosecution in a publicly televised case really makes me question how just prior death sentence convictions were. Now imagine what the prosecution can do behind closed doors. One wrongful death sentence is one too many. For child rapists, jail for life is already all they deserve. I don't see the logic or benefit in running the risk of wrongly sentencing a person to death purely for us to feel 10 seconds of fleeting catharsis when we read a child rapist's death notice in the news. Nobody will weep for a child molester's death, but there isn't much of a difference between someone being permabanned from society vs. permabanned from life. At least with the former there's still the room to justly recover a person's life from an unjust clerical error.

I simply mention that, in addition to all of this, Kyle's attackers were scum. Criminals with records of serious violent offenses. One of the attackers was convicted multiple times for child rape. And that is the one who, at the very least, should have still been in prison. It's a failure of our justice system that someone could be convicted of such extreme crimes and yet walk around free.

It seems we are in agreement that the current US justice system needs a patch or two.