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Sengoku Strider wrote:It'll just be something along the lines of "When your heart is truly guided by God, you always walk in the light" etc. Christian nationalists start from a quasi-Calvinist premise that white Americans are God's true chosen as evidenced by American abundance, and work backwards from that. So whatever benefits their way of life must be ultimately right by default.
It stands to reason that some form of the incomprehensibly odious "prosperity gospel" would factor in there (it's pathetically hilarious how the plutocratic right attempts to square this with Jesus' dead-obvious "camel through a needle's eye" statement by making up some utter bullshit that he was actually talking about some obscure city gate), but to focus back in on my main point, this is precisely the sort of thing that conventional wisdom says the mythical "reasonable wing" of the right and/or "center" should be absolutely up in arms over; it's essentially a holy-roller variation on Friedman's horrific "greed is good" doctrine, which all of the "populists" motivated by genuine material concerns should supposedly also be up in arms over, but mysteriously never actually are. And that's before you even get into the whole "trampling even harder on the separation of church and state" angle (which, in case it needs saying, should, if anything, alarm religious people more than secular ones).

I just don't get how someone who considers himself "even-minded" when it comes to politics can hear this sort of thing being said, proudly and out in the open, to thunderous applause - and not out on the fringes, but by CPAC's keynote speaker, with supposedly "mainstream" politicians present and grinning ear-to-ear all the while - and not say to himself "...yeah, whatever the opposition's problems might be, this just isn't a viable option anymore". Somehow, though, it just keeps on happening. Somehow.

Off to the side, I recently stumbled onto a YouTube video where the speaker, noting that 60 or 70 people own around 50 percent of global wealth, expresses concerns that the centuries-old tradition of individuals and corporations commanding private mercenary armies completely unanswerable to any law may well make a comeback; once he got around to the "how to mitigate this" section, he focused almost entirely on tweaking the market to disincentivize the creation of such private armies; literally nowhere in his analysis did the notion of "redistribute wealth enough so nobody can ever have enough for a private army in the first place" ever come up. I seriously couldn't believe it.

Then again, "analysts" are howling that the inflation reduction legislation currently in the works is actually a sham because the wealthy corporations targeted to pay for it will, as always, simply pass on any and all increased cost of doing business to the rest of us - as if the notion of prohibiting them from doing that, as the country has done numerous times before, is completely alien and verboten. And again, somehow, they're not being instantly laughed off the stage as they deliberately stick their heads up their own asses for the world to see.
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I'm encouraged that Jones' defense lawyer has been summoned to explain illegally accessing the medical records of the plantiffs. On the other hand, I'm not optimistic that there will any penalty. Telling someone "that was very naughty" is not a punishment or deterrent. HIPPA is a toothless joke if we aren't going to enforce the rules.

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As for the money, you have to wait and see how it shakes out before you celebrate. As far as I know, Texas law will cap the penalty at $750,000. The jury is free to issue a larger number on paper to "punish" people. (by law, juries also cannot be advised there is a limit). The big numbers let bad guys understand they were very very naughty. After they understand, they pay the $750,000 maximum penalty and it's all fixed. :-)

https://abovethelaw.com/2022/08/texas-d ... tion-case/

There are also further bankruptcy maneuvers available to Jones. He will keep untold millions from this and he will continue to profit from what he did. Let's hope he gets at least a little jail time.

Ultimately, there will be very little accountability. I would argue no accountability.

If I was in charge, I'd go after his ex-wife, too. She shouldn't have any money from this. She needs to get a job and earn money honestly. She is no more entitled to "ill gotten gains" than her ex-husband. Sorry.

We also should be asking why the press prints the big judgement numbers, but never follows up and explains how these judgements are rarely paid out--and how rich people live above the law. No shortage of dishonesty, it seems.
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orange808 wrote:Republicans are libertarians first.
They're nowhere near any kind of libertarian, certainly not ancap. The hard ceiling is 10% that Ron Paul got, because republicans loathe republican policy, but love the culture war stuff. A clean machine that inflicts suffering without seeing the blood and cruelty is pointless in GOP primaries, that's the kind of thing that appeals to liberals.

That guy pretending to "support" universal medicare but only giving a shit about abortion is much more typical than you'd think.

Polling says leftist (pro-worker) policy is overwhelmingly popular with the general public, going at least 60-40 on most topics. Increasing the minimum wage, expanding social security + medicare (the most commie of commie things we have, and the most popular programs with over 80% support).... the craziest is whenever the idea of a universal basic income actually wins in a poll.

That's all before the social grooming and gaslighting by the media, of course. The real trick is you're not allowed to vote for policy or be your own advocate/representative, you have to vote for a person. So politics has been altered into a game of wrestling where you pick personalities that you like, and not policies.

That's why states where Trump blew out the competition could also pass raises to the minimum wage. On a material level that makes no fucking sense, since abolishing the minimum wage completely is a stated goal of the GOP. But in our stupid damned world, it makes perfect sense.

The #1 issue they have with Bernie Sanders isn't policy, it's a lifelong membership with the red capitalist tribe plus a lack of trust. FDR had the country in an ironclad grip, and trust me, those humans weren't any better or worse than these humans at their core.

And insane indoctrination from childhood of course; the republicans can't be any more capitalist than they are so I don't know what the hell a "RINO" is. Someone who doesn't support death camps? Someone who doesn't want to overtly overthrow democracy completely? Someone who lets one immigrant from one of those "wrong" countries have citizenship? Since the textbook guys who get hit with the RINO label the most are Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush, I think "RINO" means "rich capitalist guy"?

It's a rich tapestry of bullshit that's not worth worrying about at this point. We're all dead, this is hell. Just all of us haven't realized it yet.
once he got around to the "how to mitigate this" section, he focused almost entirely on tweaking the market to disincentivize the creation of such private armies; literally nowhere in his analysis did the notion of "redistribute wealth enough so nobody can ever have enough for a private army in the first place" ever come up. I seriously couldn't believe it.
Yeah, capitalist realism... sigh.

Kurzgesagt is plenty guilty of this, especially in his climate videos. One of liberal's favorite tricks is lying with numbers (using the Bureau of Labor Statistics unemployment rate instead of a participation rate is the ultimate "things are fine" as it gets. Talk about going to church, expressing your fears and suffering to the priest, and being told to shut up and stop worrying about anything. Thought terminating clichés are popular with every kind of authoritarian).

Kurz likes to claim the declining price of "green" energy as some ray of hope. I have no idea if his numbers are cheating by using government subsidies or not (a lovely feature of all number fuckery: it's harder to tell if someone is lying to you~), but the fundamental issue is he's talking about money. Humans care about money. The physical universe as a whole, overwhelmingly does not. Lithium mining is not carbon-free nor potentially infinite.

The tagline for capitalist realism is: "It's easier to imagine the end of the world, than it is to imagine the end of capitalism." I sometimes wonder if I myself am suffering from this affliction, the belief that better things are impossible; I am a product of this system afterall. Then I look outside the window, see everything on fire, the piles of dead cows, the star wraiths lingering in the shadows, and continue on.
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From the polls I Iooked at for my last post, I speculated there is *roughly* a 50/50 split among conservative-leaning adults that can vote.

Found this and it supports my intuition.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/re ... -ideology/

Moderate in Kansas still means Republican.

Obviously, many "Republican" righties register as indie. They don't always acknowledge their political leanings. Beyond that, many registered (and obviously unregistered) right wing people have their own complicated views. For instance, they support workers in theory, but will recoil in horror if you say "union". These human issues are likely impossible to untangle and they obviously vote against their own interests regularly.

Libertarian leanings and properly supporting a hopeless third party are two different things. Some are also turned off by the "cult"-ish atmosphere of a third political party. "Libertarian" sounds outside the mainstream. So, while many Republicans hold many Libertarian views, the structure of society (the duopoly and social factors) keep them from identifying as "Libertarian". Obviously, many voters also hold complex views and they aren't "Libertarian" enough to support a fringe third party. For example, Kansas firmly supports the war on drugs. It's complicated. I found their views on drugs particularly amusing, because a few pages back we discovered that Wichita is one of the "per capita" drug use capitals of the United States. (In a separate discussion where some righty was peddling the usual "mental illness and druggie" dog whistle talking points.)

Regardless, many Republicans support a large portion of the Libertarian agenda--particularly when it comes to abortion. Only Thomas Frank could explain how this came to be.

I think about half of Kansas conservatives take a Libertarian view on abortion. The remainder of the votes came from the state's minority of centrist Democrat voters (and the even smaller group of true lefties). Given that the righties are split, the remaining voters tip the scales toward legal abortion with regulations and restrictions. The Evangelical portion is not large enough to carry the vote and never has been.

My point being: this is a simple reflection of normal behavior for these people. They aren't turning into Democratic voters. Furthermore, while moderates turned out to specifically vote "no", it's unclear how they would have reacted if Kansas had managed to pass a law in their legislature with no referendum. It seems very very unlikely that the conservative population would turn to the Democratic Party--especially when banning abortion would directly affect so few. In theory, Kansas could probably ban abortion with no political penalty, whatsoever.
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orange808 wrote:For example, Kansas firmly supports the war on drugs. It's complicated. I found their views on drugs particularly amusing, because a few pages back we discovered that Wichita is one of the "per capita" drug use capitals of the United States.
"Oklahomans will always vote in favor of prohibition, as long as they're sober enough to stagger to the polls."
I think about half of Kansas conservatives take a Libertarian view on abortion.
I see what you were going for, but I don't think that's their ideological basis for feeling this way. "The state has no place in telling people what to do" is the reasoning of a robot, not a person.

A person comes to have their own opinion on abortion from their own lived experiences. Maybe they know the world is a grim imperfect place sometimes. Maybe they're used to Roe V Wade always existing and don't want it to change for whatever reason.

I'd call such ideology "liberalism", but only because that's the default religion we're all indoctrinated with. It's not a conscious choice because normal people don't think about anything too deeply, least of all politics. You have to be a weirdo or isolated from wider society inside a hardline church to stray from liberalism.

.... hah. What's really fucked are republicans that want to raise taxes on the rich. It's like... bro... what are you doing...

That one's..... very popular, even among republicans. As is universal medicare. These are very much out of line with Penn and Teller's brand of libertarianism.
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"Bernie Sanders and others have criticized tax loopholes for the rich, but are planning to not completely torpedo the latest spending bill after their "moderate" colleagues threatened, for the millionth time, to deep-six the whole thing, alongside the entire GOP bloc, if the loopholes didn't stay in; Sanders et al, in not being the incorrigible, feckless radicals we would have painted them as if they did withhold their votes, are thus hypocrites."

Do the people this article is aimed at realize for even a second what absolute fools they're being played for? Can journalism schools revoke degrees if they catch wind of a pants-on-head writeup like this?

Especially in the immediate aftermath of the indescribably shameful lead-up to the PACT Act?
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BulletMagnet wrote:Do the people this article is aimed at realize for even a second what absolute fools they're being played for?
Not if they're actually internalizing state propaganda, no.
Can journalism schools revoke degrees if they catch wind of a pants-on-head writeup like this?
Seems like they should be earning a trophy and a raise, for doing the job they're paid to do.

Daily reminder Henry Kissinger got a Nobel Peace Prize.

... shit, I thought that guy was dead but he's not. Over 99 years old. Another candidate for the Dick Cheney immortality serum in a couple of years...
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BulletMagnet wrote:"Bernie Sanders and others have criticized tax loopholes for the rich, but are planning to not completely torpedo the latest spending bill after their "moderate" colleagues threatened, for the millionth time, to deep-six the whole thing, alongside the entire GOP bloc, if the loopholes didn't stay in; Sanders et al, in not being the incorrigible, feckless radicals we would have painted them as if they did withhold their votes, are thus hypocrites."

Do the people this article is aimed at realize for even a second what absolute fools they're being played for? Can journalism schools revoke degrees if they catch wind of a pants-on-head writeup like this?

Especially in the immediate aftermath of the indescribably shameful lead-up to the PACT Act?
Yeah. Sanders doesn't have any good options.

Could any lawmaker realistically survive sinking this bill--given that the circumstances surrounding it include virtually all the most powerful people in the western world? Maybe Sanders could weather the storm and maybe not. It's really not worth it.

Given that both Manchin and Sinema had sudden changes of heart after clandestine "sit downs", I think there's some unprecedented pressure behind the scenes--and it's coming from all sides. If only there was this much pressure to get universal health care or start getting guns off the street.
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Steamflogger Boss wrote:https://twitter.com/annieschulte/status ... 5383950338

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Long but worth it.
Good stuff. I don't believe for a minute any of these cunts pushing for full abortion bans would not take their daughter or mistress for one in a heartbeat... and of course forget to mention it to anyone in their church ring.
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GaijinPunch wrote:
Steamflogger Boss wrote:https://twitter.com/annieschulte/status ... 5383950338

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Long but worth it.
Good stuff. I don't believe for a minute any of these cunts pushing for full abortion bans would not take their daughter or mistress for one in a heartbeat... and of course forget to mention it to anyone in their church ring.
Check this out:
“All of us who do abortions see patients quite regularly who tell us, ‘I’m not pro-choice, but I just can’t continue this pregnancy,’” said Dr. Sarah Prager, a professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the University of Washington. “We’ve even seen people coming into the clinic off the protester lines to get their abortion, then return to protesting outside the clinic.” And to be clear, she added, “These are not people who turn anti-choice after having an abortion, but who simply access this essential service when they need it in spite of their personal beliefs about abortion in general.”

According to Prager, the phenomenon is so common that abortion providers have a name for it: the Me Exception.

“We in the movement often say people believe abortion should be legal in cases of rape, incest and ‘me,’ meaning whatever reason is relevant for that person,” she said.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-women ... -abortions

Worth reading the entire article.
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The next step with Jones is to finally engage tort limits in mortal combat and take it all the way to SCOTUS--ending tort limits or putting the current argument against them to bed.

As I understand it, the constitutional theory to strike down all tort limits goes like this:
1. Legislatures either have the power to regulate tort rewards or they're don't. It's yes or no.
2. Given that legislators can regulate it freely, they can reduce awards to zero.
3. The power to set the awards circumvents the court and zero awards would not provide redress.
4. In addition to violating the core separation of power and "checks and balances", the ability to set damages infringes on the first amendment; specifically, the right to petition for redress.
5. Because judgement limits are not determined by the court and they can be limited to zero, people are unable to petition for redress. The legislature has overstepped it's power, circumvented the judiciary, defied the precious (separation of powers) "original intent" of the wise founding fathers, and deprived Americans of their constitutional rights. We all know that original intent is super precious. :-) Gotcha, muthafucka!
6. It's unconstitutional.

We can all agree that a reward of zero after winning a case is not compensation. Rather or not the legislature has set appropriate limits is moot, because we agree that zero is not compensation. Because legislative limits introduce the ability to delete a basic right in the first amendment at their whim; the legislature is not intended to intervene or set limits at all.

This interpretation has already been put forward and into writing by judges in other states. So, with the legal theory already in play, the entire question of judgement limits is wide open and undecided. Time to see if we can end the limits. I'm not holding my breath, though. I think SCOTUS makes completely arbitrary decisions; it feels almost corrupt.
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BulletMagnet wrote:It stands to reason that some form of the incomprehensibly odious "prosperity gospel" would factor in there (it's pathetically hilarious how the plutocratic right attempts to square this with Jesus' dead-obvious "camel through a needle's eye" statement by making up some utter bullshit that he was actually talking about some obscure city gate), but to focus back in on my main point, this is precisely the sort of thing that conventional wisdom says the mythical "reasonable wing" of the right and/or "center" should be absolutely up in arms over; it's essentially a holy-roller variation on Friedman's horrific "greed is good" doctrine, which all of the "populists" motivated by genuine material concerns should supposedly also be up in arms over, but mysteriously never actually are. And that's before you even get into the whole "trampling even harder on the separation of church and state" angle (which, in case it needs saying, should, if anything, alarm religious people more than secular ones).
Well this is just it, we're talking specifically about Christian nationalism here. There's a fundamental equation of Heavenly power with the transcendent conceptualization of the nation (though in the case of the US, certainly not of the state). So if collective wealth and comfort and glory and movie war heroes are a product of this and its binding symbolism, an overlap with their religious set of semiotics feels natural and right to a lot of them. God-rays through the clouds and slow motion American flags occupy similar mental real estate in the cultural unconscious.
Off to the side, I recently stumbled onto a YouTube video where the speaker, noting that 60 or 70 people own around 50 percent of global wealth, expresses concerns that the centuries-old tradition of individuals and corporations commanding private mercenary armies completely unanswerable to any law may well make a comeback; once he got around to the "how to mitigate this" section, he focused almost entirely on tweaking the market to disincentivize the creation of such private armies; literally nowhere in his analysis did the notion of "redistribute wealth enough so nobody can ever have enough for a private army in the first place" ever come up. I seriously couldn't believe it.
I'm pretty sure Youtube threw the same video at me, for whatever reason their algorithms suddenly decided BigThink videos from 4 years ago were what people want to see. Since we both watched it, they must be right. He was trying to put forward workable solutions. China is (wisely) capping private wealth, but in the rest of the developed world corporate capture is way too deep and far along to do the same without societal breakdown forcing the issue.
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I watched a vid on entertainment made by cults yesterday. It made it seem like there's a big cultural divide between east and western cults; the eastern ones leaning toward believing in magic+superpowers, mainly interested in killing (other) people. While the western ones are usually christian sex cults that are often controlled by pedos.

As you're statistically a white guy in his 30's, you're probably a fan of RLM and already familiar with one of these: S.O.S. Family International's video. So congrats, you've been preached to by pedos!

... they're really damn catchy songs tho...

Anyway, cults are pretty demonstrative of what organizations exist to do; whether it's Blizzard Entertainment, your random everyday church, or whatever.

Sanders' latest grandstanding netted 97 votes against being even symbolically cool and good, so we still have an ironclad apocalypse to look forward to. In case you were worried anything might ever get any better. Ah, maybe the accelerationists are right after all.

While looking for the old 'Elizabeth Warren is Ronald Reagan' clip I read some old posts from back when I believed Klobuchar 100% was going to be the vice president. I'm still surprised she isn't; I suppose the strategists thought making Harris the heir would go smoother.

I'm sure Biden and most of his administration regret not making it Klobuchar, though.
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Ah, and because everything's connected to everything else... you know how the S.O.S. song is about replacing people with machines? White Castle is deploying Flippy 2 to 100 restaurants.

They're able to do such madness since they're a privately held company. Publicly held corpos do have a chilling effect on progress; the worst is probably the pharmaceutical industry. For whom the perfect product is something like statins. Or that drug that gets rid of brain plaques in Alzheimer patients, but don't make the patients any better.

It's kind of a miracle anyone's got a viable treatment for cancer coming down the line, that's better than hitting it with a hammer.
orange808 wrote:As I understand it, the constitutional theory to strike down all tort limits goes like this:
1. Legislatures either have the power to regulate tort rewards or they're don't. It's yes or no.
2. Given that legislators can regulate it freely, they can reduce awards to zero.
3. The power to set the awards circumvents the court and zero awards would not provide redress.
4. In addition to violating the core separation of power and "checks and balances", the ability to set damages infringes on the first amendment; specifically, the right to petition for redress.
5. Because judgement limits are not determined by the court and they can be limited to zero, people are unable to petition for redress. The legislature has overstepped it's power, circumvented the judiciary, defied the precious (separation of powers) "original intent" of the wise founding fathers, and deprived Americans of their constitutional rights. We all know that original intent is super precious. :-) Gotcha, muthafucka!
6. It's unconstitutional.
Seems perfectly logical. I'm sure they'll get right on that, right after ending the constitutional protections on slavery.
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BryanM wrote:
orange808 wrote:As I understand it, the constitutional theory to strike down all tort limits goes like this:
1. Legislatures either have the power to regulate tort rewards or they're don't. It's yes or no.
2. Given that legislators can regulate it freely, they can reduce awards to zero.
3. The power to set the awards circumvents the court and zero awards would not provide redress.
4. In addition to violating the core separation of power and "checks and balances", the ability to set damages infringes on the first amendment; specifically, the right to petition for redress.
5. Because judgement limits are not determined by the court and they can be limited to zero, people are unable to petition for redress. The legislature has overstepped it's power, circumvented the judiciary, defied the precious (separation of powers) "original intent" of the wise founding fathers, and deprived Americans of their constitutional rights. We all know that original intent is super precious. :-) Gotcha, muthafucka!
6. It's unconstitutional.
Seems perfectly logical. I'm sure they'll get right on that, right after ending the constitutional protections on slavery.
Yes. We both share low expectations.

As a stupid pleb, I think there's a good argument.

The first amendment is specifically worded to restrain the legislature from passing laws. It makes that abundantly clear by opening with the specific words "Congress shall make no law.." It's directly and unambiguously aimed at restraining Congress.

Given that the court and Congress are clearly disagreeing about the meaning of "petition the Government for a redress of grievances" and the amendment is designed to restrain the legislature, the wording suggests the courts should determine tort rewards. The founders obviously framed the amendment to keep laws from curbing the right to petition. Congress already had its say when it declared what is (and is not) unprotected speech--and courts have already agreed and confirmed that the speech was unprotected. It seems that the ability to appeal would guarantee good judgements and fair "fines".

Beware the right wing trolls. They will immediately reach for misdirection and/or FUD tactics to muddy the waters. However, we must remember we aren't discussing what is (or is not) a valid "grievance". The definition of "grievance" doesn't matter, here. Although, I suspect a couple Supreme Court Justices are unprofessional and bad judges; I believe they are inclined to go completely off topic and conveniently entertain wild and broad ideas that should fall outside the scope of a decision.

It should be a narrow reading of the first amendment's protection of the right to: "petition the Government for a redress of grievances" --and we can even do Scalia's "original intent" shit, because the original intent is obvious; courts are supposed make the redress decisions. There is an appeal process to make sure damages are fair.

Anyway, all we can do is hope for a miracle.
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BryanM wrote:I read some old posts from back when I believed Klobuchar 100% was going to be the vice president. I'm still surprised she isn't; I suppose the strategists thought making Harris the heir would go smoother.

I'm sure Biden and most of his administration regret not making it Klobuchar, though.
I can see why this would seem appealing from an outsiders' perspective, but as a Minnesotan who has been side-eyeing her for YEARS now, she's way too much of a weirdo psychopath to make it big nationally as a democrat. Al Franken has always sucked, too.

Honestly, hope for me died the day they assassinated poor Paul Wellstone.
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My assumption was that she's the worst, we live in the worst timeline, so voila!

As my foundational assumption that we live in the worst timeline can't be wrong, that must mean the Harris -> Buttigieg timeline we're living in is the worst after all. After seeing the breadth of aid Obama has given fascism, that's not impossible.
she's way too much of a weirdo psychopath to make it big nationally as a democrat
Since that's a requirement our vampire lords seek in all of their vessels, that makes her sound perfect for the job.
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From the outside looking in, it does look like if you play along you get to visit Epstein Island and if you don't, you get Wellstone'd.

The murder of Huey Long was a big hit to our timeline, along with Wallace being refused FDR's VP slot by the democrats. It seems really stupid the entire world would change depending on the fortunes of a couple of men, but here we are.

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BryanM wrote:Since that's a requirement our vampire lords seek in all of their vessels, that makes her sound perfect for the job.
She's not the effective kind that makes for a good VP, though. She's that uptight midwest scandinavian repressed kind of psychopath that nobody with real power wants to have to deal with unless they're also ruthlessly efficient, and she cares far too much about keeping up liberal appearances for that.
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The FBI did a no knock raid on Mar-A-Lago this afternoon.

First time a President has ever had the FBI raid their home.

Imagine how much evidence you'd need to have for that. Imagine the level of scrutiny you'd need to overcome to get that warrant.

Things might actually be happening.
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Sengoku Strider wrote:So if collective wealth and comfort and glory and movie war heroes are a product of this and its binding symbolism, an overlap with their religious set of semiotics feels natural and right to a lot of them.
Stuff like this is why I have such a difficult time ever assuming that the modern right is advancing an argument in good faith; it leaves an impression - repeatedly, at that - when people who constantly brag about how much more knowledgeable about and intimate with the Constitution they are than you choose to simply ignore the first amendment's advocacy for the separation of church and state whenever it inconveniences them (then flip right back again whenever anyone suggests preachers who advocate for candidates or parties from the pulpit should pay taxes), let alone when someone in a "Fuck Your Feelings" t-shirt asserts the right to unilaterally disregard whatever parts of the law that he deems just don't feel right to him. Or, for that matter, ban writing and speech that might make him feel bad. And the mythical "moderates", of course, never, ever push back.

Mind you, if the right wanted to argue that the founders' approach to church and state was wrong, they'd certainly be free to do so - after all, most folks would certainly agree that the founders' attitudes towards women and minorities, among other things, haven't aged terribly well - but they don't. Instead they simply pretend that giddily cozying up to Bible-thumping despots like Orban is just the sort of thing that the Deists who founded the country would have just loved, because that way they can still 1) pretend to be indignant whenever anyone questions the infallibility of the founders on a point they support, and 2) call themselves "originalists" whenever they want to enshrine or re-enshrine the most repressive dregs of the nation's past.
China is (wisely) capping private wealth, but in the rest of the developed world corporate capture is way too deep and far along to do the same without societal breakdown forcing the issue.
See, here's another case where there should be common ground between the hysterical freedom-hating left and the completely genuine populist right, motivated by very real material concerns, but somehow the latter always ends up siding with the plutocrats, and I can guarantee you it has nothing to do with how realistically feasible anyone thinks pushback against the corporations might be.

To wit, for all of the very legitimate complaints one can level against the Dems for being much too cozy with moneyed interests, Sinema in particular is getting a lot of flack for hogtying the inflation reduction act in the name of preserving the carried interest loophole, and there's a real chance that her ongoing heel turn could bite her at the polls (I certainly hope it, among other things, costs her her seat); in the meantime, to reiterate my point from earlier, every single GOP Senator did the same damn thing, but I can guarantee that not a single one of their "populist" constituents - or, to be even more cynical, even the vets who were almost screwed out of health care as their elected officials threw their toys out of the pram - will think for a second about withholding, let alone changing, their vote come November.

This is why, when anyone suggests it's the left that hasn't yet done enough reaching out across the aisle, the tone of my posts tends to, shall we say, shift.

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Things might actually be happening.
I'm still firmly in the "I'll believe it when I see it" camp when it comes to tangible consequences for the Trump administration, though admittedly I didn't think it would even get this far. Nothing much to do but watch and wait on this front.
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Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse

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*Read in Cartman voice*

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"This is just more persecution, like all the fake {List of things with masses of incontrovertible public evidence that undeniably happened}."
BulletMagnet wrote:Stuff like this is why I have such a difficult time ever assuming that the modern right is advancing an argument in good faith
Good, bad, their faith is kind of on its own wavelength right now.
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Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse

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Are there any non dystopian futures? I used to think so. Where did I put that blue pill?
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Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse

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orange808 wrote:Are there any non dystopian futures? I used to think so. Where did I put that blue pill?
Welp. https://globalnews.ca/news/9044872/rain ... ion-study/

Someone better alert all the animals, I guess.
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Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse

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Seeing photographs of Lake Mead turning into dust is fun too. It's neat how there's jargon for every little concept, like "dead pool" being one for a body of water that's too low to flow through a dam or whatever.
Are there any non dystopian futures?
I really have to make massive stretches and dump loads of copium to come up some remotely feasible fiction. China solving much of the energy crisis with Thorium reactors is the most plausible one, it's all downhill from there. Most of it involves crossing your fingers and hoping a human-positive magical technological singularity descends from the heavens and saves us all. It's very Kurzgesagt, minus the parts about markets and Wall Street saving us.

In the trash I throw together, the machine god does indeed internalize general human values instead of being some billionaire's personal weapon against humanity. But that involves locking most people into cells and making them do stuff like solve rubix cubes all day. Because from an objective standpoint, humans love pointless busywork and bullshit jobs. The infinitely beneficent machine god would be obligated to mandate them for us.
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Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse

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The lying mainstream media is out to destroy a FORMER PRESIDENT!! He served America for FOUR YEARS!!! What do they even think they're doing?

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Goldarnit. But this is a political attack! Only 2 & a half years before an election!! Who's behind all this!?

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Whoops. But this is just a witch hunt, what crime was even committed??

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Oops-a-loops. But these liberals are in for a rude awakening, these investigations have all just been a ploy, straight out of the Art of War! All to bring the evidence out into the light during discovery and end Hillary and the Deep State once and for all, hook line & sinker!

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Former President Donald Trump invokes Fifth Amendment rights and declines to answer questions from NY attorney general

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This man is on an unmatched, all-time incredible roll right now.
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Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse

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So apparently the whole Elon Musk Hyperloop thing was just an attempt to kill California high-speed rail:

https://twitter.com/parismarx/status/11 ... 0125097990

All this time he was pretending to be Iron Man from the Marvel movies, he's actually been Judge Doom from Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
Two working class dudes, one black one white, just baked a tray of ten cookies together.

An oligarch walks in and grabs nine cookies for himself.

Then he says to the white dude "Watch out for that black dude, he wants a piece of your cookie!"
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Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse

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Mischief Maker wrote:So apparently the whole Elon Musk Hyperloop thing was just an attempt to kill California high-speed rail:

https://twitter.com/parismarx/status/11 ... 0125097990

All this time he was pretending to be Iron Man from the Marvel movies, he's actually been Judge Doom from Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
I thought the Rand cult loved trains. :-)
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Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse

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WaPo dropped a bombshell tonight. The Trump search warrant was looking for classified nuclear weapons information, among other things.
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Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse

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funniest timeline. the "if they can come for trump, they can come for you" to "oh, actually let's not see that warrant" pipeline.

also the guy who demonstrated nail guns aren't as effective as rifles, and also that you don't win a civil war against the gov't. funniest timeline.
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Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse

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Whistleblowers had raised concerns about Trump trying to sell nuclear secrets to the Saudis. Jared Kushner got what was described as a 'comically corrupt' $2 billion Saudi cheque. Trump had a golf event there a week or so back, against US policy. Trump has colossal debts hanging around his neck to multiple banks, and obscenely expensive homes and lifestyle to maintain.

See if you can connect these beach ball sized dots.

Now think about what the odds were that these documents could end up (or have already ended up) in Russian hands.

If the Republicans seriously want to circle the wagons on this one in the name of protecting votes, just burn that whole fucking party to the ground.
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