Prelude to the Apocalypse

[Mischief Maker]

Yeah, child molesting aside, why would a race between a candidate who successfully put away child-killing klansman terrorists verses a candidate who publicly supports repealing the 13th amendment galvanize the black vote?

HOW WILL WE EVER CRACK THIS CASE, HOLMES?

[BryanM]

Ah yes, supply side economics.

Where, exactly, is the current bottleneck in the production of supply.

Is it that the record-breaking profits just aren't enough to invest into production?

Or.

Bear with me here, this is a crazy idea.

Half the country is poor as shit and can't afford to waste any of their pitiful income on useless frivolity.

HOW WILL WE EVER CRACK THIS CASE, HOLMES?

Dunno why vampires can't just be honest about how yummy blood is. The farcical front they have to put up all the time is tiresome.

The cow-like domestication of the human species under feudalism really did a number to us.

Though it's not as though I support putting the mark of Cain on someone forever just because they're a part of a cult. If Lovecraft and Cenk can change for the better, anyone can.

[Rob]

Half the country is poor as shit

I have a great solution: just let millions of additional poor people enter the country and squat here until our government happily gives in. We'll still have the same amount of land, fresh water and so on, but we will have a lot more poor people. When we finally get enough poor people to vote for it we'll finally get that 90% tax rate on the rich and all will be peace and prosperity. Honestly, what is the future you are anticipating? You seem to believe America will or might "become Norway part 2". Which news site, forum or podcast is telling you this? I'd really like to give it a read or listen.

[quash]

Look, I get it. You spent too much time in the only country in the world where an apartment is a mansion. You tend to take shit at face value because it makes day to day life easier. Been there, am there.

But when it comes to higher level concepts, it's best to use the most precise language available such as to prevent fundamental misunderstandings. Using a term rooted in a fundamental misunderstanding as is the case with trickle down economics is about as bad as it gets, but it does do its job of effectively shutting down any possible discussion on the subject, so there's that.

That's the beauty of language. Doesn't matter where it came from -- it matters how it's currently used. So no, you don't get it.

How it's being used is retarded. The reason for that is because someone intentionally or otherwise weaponized the misunderstanding of a concept for political gain.

Supply side economics isn't designed to trickle down, which is precisely why its opponents have insisted that it is. It's supposed to grow the economy, which may have fortunate side effects for those who aren't in the upper echelons of society. That of course depends on other factors, but that's the gist of it.

[quash]

Funny thing about this particular smear is that it wasn't coined by an economist, businessman, or even a politician. It was coined by a fucking comedian. So you're allowing a comedian to dictate how you speak of economics every time you allude to supply side economics as being trickle down, which really does explain the gross misunderstanding of what supply side economics entails.

Shame on you, Bulletmagnet, for using the politically incorrect V-E word. Look, you've gone and triggered quash! Now we won't be able to talk him out of his safe space for hours.

Don't worry, quash. I completely disavow that awful word that a comedian made up (wait, I thought it was a politician who coined the phrase: George Bush Sr. Is Ben Stein the "comedian" you're referring to? You might want to re-watch the scene). But nevermind all that! I spit upon this problematic phrase. Ptooey!

Let's return to discussing the actual merits of trickle down in terms of real-world business concepts, like we were before when, as Bulletmagnet noted, you suddenly went all quiet. I mean, were you intending to give me a liberal smug-gasm by clamming up when the details of your Breitbart-approved philosophy were examined under the harsh light of reality?

Jesus Christ, the projection here is on a whole other level.

If you only knew the amount of infighting on the right. You'd be amazed at how quickly some circles will disavow someone they previously adored based on accusations of being a Jew; Breitbart in particular faces heavy scrutiny because its founder was Jewish. Some people literally only get their news from The Daily Stormer for fear of Jewish influence in other outlets.

I require a "safe space", lol. I've been posting in this thread for over two years now, and for most of that time I was the sole voice of dissent. If anyone can be safely absolved of requiring a safe space here, it's me.

As for not going down every single rabbit hole BM throws at me, it's quite simple and I've said it before: I know I'm not convincing him of anything. I could have six different videos from six different angles of Hillary Clinton giving a hit man orders to take out political opponents and he'd still say it was debunked by MediaMatters or Snopes. His thought process is controlled by the CIA's machine learning algorithms, and until he realizes this, he's going to be perpetually in their grasp.

There have also been times when I wanted to engage, but couldn't due to how invested he was in proving me wrong. For example, when he so totally owned me by pointing out the US pays more for healthcare than any other developed nation, and so smugly assumed that I didn't know that. Like, yeah, no shit, dude. Wanna talk about why?

[BryanM]

See, this is what a supply shortage looks like.

[quash]

I was going to add that supply side economics isn't supposed to be a permanent solution, but at this rate any argument in the slightest favor of it is going to be pulling teeth.

[BryanM]

Erica Garner died today.

She was active in last year's race more than most, as you might remember this ad her team produced.

Currently some culture justice snowflakes are triggered over football players occasionally kneeling to bring up her cause. Not just her cause, the cause of many others.

"All men are created equal."

[Specineff]

His thought process is controlled by the CIA's machine learning algorithms, and until he realizes this, he's going to be perpetually in their grasp.

And here I was, thinking he was an agent of the 4-dimensional space lizards who steal games from right under the buyer's nose at the time of purchase. Mr. Telstar, you fraud!

[quash]

Yeah man I'm just making shit up. You totally aren't placed in an information bubble online. There totally aren't mechanisms in place that exploit confirmation bias and propagage disinfo. News sources totally don't publish false stories and quietly redact them later. And remember, Amazon's dominance is due to capitalism, not that they're a de facto branch of the intelligence community.

[Rob]

If you only knew the amount of infighting on the right. You'd be amazed at how quickly some circles will disavow someone they previously adored based on accusations of being a Jew; Breitbart in particular faces heavy scrutiny because its founder was Jewish.

Breitbart is trash regardless of anything, but it's interesting how a guy simply mentions reading Culture of Critique and that gets him an "he's dead to us" from Breitbart.

[quash]

Breitbart can produce a well researched article when they want to. It's a sorry state of affairs when they're one of the few media outlets willing to even touch certain topics, but what can you do?

[Mischief Maker]

Breitbart can produce a well researched article when they want to. It's a sorry state of affairs when they're one of the few media outlets willing to even touch certain topics, but what can you do?

Like Pizzagate?

Pity about Edgar Welch. If Pizzagate hadn't turned out to be bullshit he'd be hailed as a national hero. But instead he's rotting away in a cell while the innocent owner of Comet Ping Pong faces nonstop death threats from well-informed Breitbart readers.

But once they were finished publishing outraged fairy tales about Hillary Clinton raping children in the back of a DC pizzeria, Breitbart threw their full support behind Roy "If you see this man in the shopping mall, please call security" Moore.

[BryanM]

Man was that a completely fucking retarded fable for legitimate retards to gobble up.

A story about Hillary making Bill rape small animals to death in the basement of one of their mansions. Or watching him diddle kids on the Pedo Express airplane of their good buddy. That makes sense. That is something that's physically feasible.

Hillary ever going inside a pizza dump? And it's not some photo op? Come on. The high empress would melt instantly and die if that ever happened.

[quash]

That's a particularly odd position to try to hold high ground from, considering that there's currently a congressional probe into the president being a Russian agent, an assertion supported by even less evidence than Pizzagate and yet has been far more covered by the media.

Keep thinking the deck is stacked against you, though. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[GaijinPunch]

That's a particularly odd position to try to hold high ground from, considering that there's currently a congressional probe into the president being a Russian agent, an assertion supported by even less evidence than Pizzagate and yet has been far more covered by the media.

It's not just the President, and it has resulted in indictments, (not to mention guilty pleas). Nice try though. You get a B for Balls.

[quash]

I have a feeling you're going to be incredibly disappointed this year.

[GaijinPunch]

I have a feeling you're going to be incredibly disappointed this year.

which says a lot about what you deduce from people.

[quash]

Would you be thrilled if the golden goose of the DNC ended up collapsing under its own weight? Because that's going to happen this year.

[Specineff]

Would you be thrilled if the golden goose of the DNC ended up collapsing under its own weight? Because that's going to happen this year.

I'm bookmarking these last few posts to compare with the state of things 363 days from now. Nothing against you, Quash. Just to see who ended up making the right call.

[GaijinPunch]

Would you be thrilled if the golden goose of the DNC ended up collapsing under its own weight? Because that's going to happen this year.

in the way that if you tell yourself enough that it happens, or that it really happens like for us in the real world?

[gameoverDude]

Trump's taunts on Twitter aren't doing the Republicans any favors. For one, he's saying "my nuclear button is bigger & it works". Gee, what a really smart thing to be saying. Seriously, they should tell him he's fired and give Pence a promotion. I just can't see Pence acting so uncivil.
Kim Jong-un has said he's open to talks with South Korea. Moon Jae-in is also interested. Let them talk. Maybe it would be better if the two Korean leaders hash out their issues without any outside BS.

[BulletMagnet]

That's a particularly odd position to try to hold high ground from, considering that there's currently a congressional probe into the president being a Russian agent, an assertion supported by even less evidence than Pizzagate and yet has been far more covered by the media.

As per usual, not that I believe you actually care about any of this beyond how self-gratifyingly irritating you can be to the rest of us (much like the main man himself), but I'm sure that word has reached your fevered ears of Bannon's upcoming screed to this very end, which leaves us with a handful of possibilities:

1) One of the few media figures you (claim to) consider untainted by The Omnipresent Deep State honestly believes that, if not Trump himself, the former's inner circle committed criminal acts while convening with Russian figures during the campaign.

2) ...oh God, The Deep State got HIM, too!

3) As usual, you FBI-programmed fools fail to recognize the ten millionth red herring meant to distract you from More Important Things (like not criticizing Russia, ever, because doing so obviously means that you're deliberately speeding the onset of World War III); do you still not understand that this administration and its supporters all constantly behave like sick, screaming jokes to throw off the REAL enemy?

4) Bannon is just as much of a self-interested, spectacle-chasing flim-flam man preying on the woefullly uneducated and/or delusional as the rest of the pitiful trolls, Daddy very much included, even remotely associated with the "alt right", or, for that matter, the mainstream right.

Oh, and speaking of Pizzagate, obviously Hillary was herself just a red herring, it's really John Legend we need to keep an eye on! Happy New Year, you braying plutocratic patsies.

[quash]

"This will be the end of Trump" Says Increasingly Nervous Man For The First Time This Year

[brokenhalo]

"This will be the end of Trump" Says Increasingly Nervous Man For The First Time This Year

You forgot the link. Ftfy.

[BryanM]

In more grounded territory, I find the talk about Paul Ryan retiring soon amusing. He is an elderly man, everyone hates him, but more than that.

He's sad that literally peeling the flesh off of poor people and devouring them openly won't be on the agenda this election year. Why do we even exist, he mutters angrily to himself, if not to undo the new deal and destroy social security and medicare? Socialism can't be allowed to continue to win!

McConnell is of course correct in his judgment that it's never useful to commit electoral suicide during an election year (which, as we reminded everyone constantly, is literally 62.5% of all years. We're only a year and a half away from the start of the next presidential cycle, isn't that crazy?), unless they can get the democrats to jump off the cliff with them. Billionaires got their free money from the magical infinite money tree (a number written in ASCii on some Excel 1993 spreadsheet somewhere), letting the poors continue to live with the tiny crumbs until they can perfect the kill bots and Elon cubes is just as good for them as not.

[quash]

"This will be the end of Trump" Says Increasingly Nervous Man For The First Time This Year

You forgot the link. Ftfy.

Do you really not question any of this?

Like, why did Russia choose a real estate mogul turned reality TV star to be their Manchurian candidate? Why did they have him run on possibly the most divisive platform in modern history? Why not pull a Macron and paint him as the safe choice and then wreck house later? Why would Trump choose to launder money through Russia of all places when there's far more and frankly better solutions? Why was there no mention of Russian interference via fake news until after the election? Why has Uranium One been downplayed so heavily by the media? Why did the DNC have a fabricated dossier on Trump's connections to Russia? Why did the media run with Pissgate? Why would an ex-advisor who clearly has no axe to grind with the guy who spearheaded his political movement come out and reinforce the biggest line of attack against his former boss?

If anyone has answers to any of these, I'm all ears. I'm genuinely curious to see what you all have to say.

[Mischief Maker]

If anyone has answers to any of these, I'm all ears. I'm genuinely curious to see what you all have to say.

Eh, what the hell?

Like, why did Russia choose a real estate mogul turned reality TV star to be their Manchurian candidate?

Because Putin was spooked by Gaddafi's machete death by an angry dissident crowd then was publicly embarassed by his implication in the Panama papers leak while fending off domestic political attacks on corruption grounds. He believed the US, specifically the Democrats, were behind the Panama Papers and wanted to hit back at Clinton in a similar way. Trump just happened to be her opposition at the time and the fact that he was already in bed with Russian mobsters who had kompromat on him was a bonus.

Why did they have him run on possibly the most divisive platform in modern history? Why not pull a Macron and paint him as the safe choice and then wreck house later?

You're assuming Trump's ADHD doesn't fuck with Putin's influence the way it does his own cabinets'.

Why would Trump choose to launder money through Russia of all places when there's far more and frankly better solutions?

You've got it in reverse. Russian mobsters were laundering their money through Trump's properties.

Why was there no mention of Russian interference via fake news until after the election?

There was most certainly mention of Russian interference during the election. Fake news wasn't purely a product of Russia (see: Pizzagate) and the hacking of the DNC server was a much bigger story at the time.

Why has Uranium One been downplayed so heavily by the media?

Because it's not that big a deal. Russians were allowed to buy stock in a US mining interest. That Uranium never leaves the country. Not to say there wasn't anything dirty going on with the deal, but it's not anywhere near as sexy a story as campaign collusion.

Why did the DNC have a fabricated dossier on Trump's connections to Russia?

Because the Republicans commissioned the dossier during the primary then the Democrats picked up the remaining tab. And aside from Trump's 3am tweets, I have yet to see any evidence on whether or not it's fabricated.

Why did the media run with Pissgate?

Why did the media give Trump $3 billion worth of free publicity? Because he said lurid and sensational things. Why did the piss tape get coverage? Because it's lurid and sensational.

Why would an ex-advisor who clearly has no axe to grind with the guy who spearheaded his political movement come out and reinforce the biggest line of attack against his former boss?

I assume you mean Bannon here? Like you and Rob said earlier, there's nothing conservatives love more than throwing each other under the bus. Bannon knows the Mueller investigation's getting close and now he's trying to save his own ass by preemptively throwing Trump under the bus.

[BryanM]

I would actually like Trump more if he was into all things golden. It'd make him seem more adventurous and open minded.

Possibly that sentiment isn't uncommon with our generation and younger. That gap between us and the elderly billionaires still trying to crush FDR and bring back the company towns is quite huge. No wonder they're so effective at suppressing our turnout when it comes to elections with their picks for puppets.

[BulletMagnet]

"This will be the end of Trump" Says Increasingly Nervous Man For The First Time This Year

If you think that's the reason I made that post then you're truly clueless beyond compare...of course, I give you, like most Trumpskis, more credit than that, and assume you're just being an enormous asshole. Though it's honestly getting more and more difficult to tell the difference.

EDIT: Oh, and despite saying he believes his campaign committed treason, Bannon also says he still supports Trump, which is as apt a summary of the modern right as any I've encountered.