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Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary

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I've wasted so much time already on your plain-as-day horseshit, I suppose another 5 minutes with the search function (and head-scratching utilization of the Enter key) won't make much difference.

From the middle of page 49 in the Guns thread:
Peter Sutherland and his ilk, are interested in replacement, containment, subjugation and "mixing" of only one race. Can you guess what that race is?
Genocide, by any other name, is still genocide.
From the middle of page 236 in this thread:
He was pointing out that the Unconventional Warfare tactic of forced demographic shift, is not and never was, a secret and that furthermore, the number of Westerners
(that is to say, White people) cognisant of this fact is growing by the day.
from the top of page 47 of the Guns thread:
Cultural Marxism.
The pretend and hidden champion for;
social justice, regressive-left, political correctness, third wave feminism, BLM, LGBTQIA, affirmative action, "empowerment", cultural relativism, , etc., etc

Cultural Marxism.
The pretend and hidden champion against:
Islamophobia, homophobia, xenophobia, various other phobias, white privilege, hate speech, hate crime, free speech and being "bold" in general.
From the bottom of page 46 in the Guns thread:
If one productive, conscientious, educated, ethical, social, self-sustaining, cohesive body of people are forced to fund their own displacement/replacement,
are socially conditioned by the political class to wear the shackles of political correctness to cause max cognitive dissonance,
suffer racial abuse in educational and employment allocation and treatment and are defamed as Nazi's, white supremacists and racists when the can take no more . . . you do not then have "sides".
You have a wronged party under attack from parasitical mutualism.

What we do have, is an unholy symbiosis between the state and the weak. In a word "socialism", in its various guises.
One can not exist without the other. Both in turn use; votes in the case of the state and proxy force in the case of the weak, to extort wealth and power from the other "side".
It is not honest to call such a situation "sides". Call it what it is. Assault.
From the middle and bottom of page 184 of this thread:
You both seem pretty pleased with yourselves. That false confidence born out of grossly overestimating the reach of "political correctness" in its ability to shut down and leave behind . . .
That being said, fuck the moral, intellectual and social cancer that is political correctness. It is entirely responsible for that monster in that mirror.
Nearer the top of the page, of course, Rob is even more direct:
When a government decides to ethnically remodel their nation for some globalist scheme, yes, they have a right to feel victimized.
Feel free to scold him for sullying this vitally important, totally-not-trolling "discussion" with "deflection". Which, of course, you have had no part whatsoever in. :lol:
Zen wrote:If I may ask; What are "nationalists" ?
From the top of page 232 (i.e. just this past November) of this thread:
I am an Ethno Nationalist, Ed. What answer did you expect?

I respect the right of all races to exist on their own terms. Not in futile competition with, nor in forced conservatorship of, another.
But seeing as you've repeatedly determined that any and all words and definitions (or at least the inconvenient ones) are essentially meaningless in the end - and will accordingly, I'm more than sure, pull your best Roseanne Barr impression as you explain how I twisted your words to obscure what you really meant for all of the above - fuck off. :lol:
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Spec, try to follow. In the post you quoted I was giving examples of positions with negative consequences that people seemingly expect to not bear poisonous fruit or be held accountable for. I was not saying all x hold those positions. But I have no problem with generalizing about x. 'Not all x are like that' is not an argument against fact-based generalizations, like x use welfare at a higher rate or x commit crime at a higher rate. Generalizations are how we can determine that it is a net negative to let in tens of millions of self-selected people from south of the border - we wouldn't need California as proof, but now we do have California as proof.
You speak of Trump "needing to deliver"
He needs to deliver if he wants a chance to win 2020. It's a statement of political reality.
You are not affected by any of the evils you've been quoting for so long and claim it's so darnedly necessary to defend against.
This is why I don't like engaging with you - you are either not honest or smart enough to understand complex issues, or anything that would require you to accept facts that are unflattering. There are very serious problems (very much plural) that have been developing which will affect everyone in America until the end of America.
What terrible wrong was done to you that you need to justify such hatred/fear/resentment and vengeance against a different race(s) and demonize them? What kind of great offense do you feel will be avenged by a businessman getting the ransom he demands for holding the federal government hostage?
Tens of millions have not respected the fact that this is not their country. A wall, at the very least, is a neon sign that says "do not come here uninvited". Again, a lot of the damage has already been done and the wheels are set in motion, but I'd still like to see something accomplished. If the immigration problem is not mitigated relatively peacefully and soon, the inevitable result is not going to be good for anyone. No "hatred" or "resentment" is required to not want a politically and socially chaotic situation where I'm living.
It's evident your concern doesn't go that route.
Do not bother peabrainedly imagining what my concerns are - I will tell you.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary

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BulletMagnet wrote:
Spoiler
I've wasted so much time already on your plain-as-day horseshit, I suppose another 5 minutes with the search function (and head-scratching utilization of the Enter key) won't make much difference.

From the middle of page 49 in the Guns thread:
Peter Sutherland and his ilk, are interested in replacement, containment, subjugation and "mixing" of only one race. Can you guess what that race is?
Genocide, by any other name, is still genocide.
From the middle of page 236 in this thread:
He was pointing out that the Unconventional Warfare tactic of forced demographic shift, is not and never was, a secret and that furthermore, the number of Westerners
(that is to say, White people) cognisant of this fact is growing by the day.
from the top of page 47 of the Guns thread:
Cultural Marxism.
The pretend and hidden champion for;
social justice, regressive-left, political correctness, third wave feminism, BLM, LGBTQIA, affirmative action, "empowerment", cultural relativism, , etc., etc

Cultural Marxism.
The pretend and hidden champion against:
Islamophobia, homophobia, xenophobia, various other phobias, white privilege, hate speech, hate crime, free speech and being "bold" in general.
From the bottom of page 46 in the Guns thread:
If one productive, conscientious, educated, ethical, social, self-sustaining, cohesive body of people are forced to fund their own displacement/replacement,
are socially conditioned by the political class to wear the shackles of political correctness to cause max cognitive dissonance,
suffer racial abuse in educational and employment allocation and treatment and are defamed as Nazi's, white supremacists and racists when the can take no more . . . you do not then have "sides".
You have a wronged party under attack from parasitical mutualism.

What we do have, is an unholy symbiosis between the state and the weak. In a word "socialism", in its various guises.
One can not exist without the other. Both in turn use; votes in the case of the state and proxy force in the case of the weak, to extort wealth and power from the other "side".
It is not honest to call such a situation "sides". Call it what it is. Assault.
From the middle and bottom of page 184 of this thread:
You both seem pretty pleased with yourselves. That false confidence born out of grossly overestimating the reach of "political correctness" in its ability to shut down and leave behind . . .
That being said, fuck the moral, intellectual and social cancer that is political correctness. It is entirely responsible for that monster in that mirror.
Nearer the top of the page, of course, Rob is even more direct:
When a government decides to ethnically remodel their nation for some globalist scheme, yes, they have a right to feel victimized.
Feel free to scold him for sullying this vitally important, totally-not-trolling "discussion" with "deflection". Which, of course, you have had no part whatsoever in. :lol:
Zen wrote:If I may ask; What are "nationalists" ?
From the top of page 232 (i.e. just this past November) of this thread:
I am an Ethno Nationalist, Ed. What answer did you expect?

I respect the right of all races to exist on their own terms. Not in futile competition with, nor in forced conservatorship of, another.
But seeing as you've repeatedly determined that any and all words and definitions (or at least the inconvenient ones) are essentially meaningless in the end - and will accordingly, I'm more than sure, pull your best Roseanne Barr impression as you explain how I twisted your words to obscure what you really meant for all of the above - fuck off. :lol:

Well!

Firstly, I am compelled to say that I am struck by the sheer quality of the posts and points quoted! Marvellous! I enjoyed rereading them. Thank you, B.M.

Secondly;
You are convinced that these posts and points, are "a frivolous, sensationalist distraction from the actual issue at hand"? What issue at hand would that be, pray?

Honestly now, you feel that all of this is somehow off topic, or trolling, or . . . . what?!

That is truly, a worryingly subjective comprehension that you have got then, my friend.
And this is not the first instance of you engaging in creative interpretation, is it?


Every post you just quoted, was direct, well made and did not spontaneous emerge in a vacuum, despite the spin you are peddling.
Is there a specific charge you bring against me, or any points that I made in my posts? "frivolous", "sensationalist", "distraction"?
BulletMagnet wrote:the utterly ceaseless chorus of "political correctness run amok", "censorship", and white genocide
If I were on board with "political correctness", practised self "censorship" and pretended that organised, systematic Western demographic shift was not occurring, would I be more "on topic"?


I don't believe that your attempts at obfuscation are malicious. Still, you force me to point out, yet again, that your circular logic is not productive.
Case in point;
BulletMagnet wrote:But seeing as you've repeatedly determined that any and all words and definitions (or at least the inconvenient ones) are essentially meaningless in the end - and will accordingly, I'm more than sure, pull your best Roseanne Barr impression as you explain how I twisted your words to obscure what you really meant for all of the above - fuck off. :lol:
Projection, thy name is "BulletMagnet".
Words and definitions have meaning, of course, which leads me to;
BulletMagnet wrote:
Zen wrote:If I may ask again; What are "nationalists" ?
From the top of page 232 (i.e. just this past November) of this thread:
I am an Ethno Nationalist, Ed. What answer did you expect?

I respect the right of all races to exist on their own terms. Not in futile competition with, nor in forced conservatorship of, another.
But that is not what I asked, is it? Don't be so facetious. Again - If I may ask;
BulletMagnet wrote:"nationalists"
What are they?



Now, I consciously disembark from the BulletMagnet Derailment Express and move Back On Topic;
We were discussing whether open discussion on this forum, is tantamount to;
Ed Oscuro wrote:straight-up racism that, once upon a time, got sorry asses kicked right out of polite conversation.
Also; a request mas made of BryanM, to furnish us with evidence of his claim, that one of this forums gentlemen has defended "extermination policies".
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Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary

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Anybody who wants to interpret that response as anything but a troll to beat the band (those terms are incendiary and distracting - but were completely appropriate and on point when I used them!), be my guest; me, I'm afraid I've once again spent more than enough time on the far side of the looking glass. :lol:
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It's bulletmagnet and the ethno-sadomasochistic elite vs. me, zen and the Dalai Lama. :shock:
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"I thought it was a joke."
This is a really beautiful image that really articulates how effective complimenting people is at getting into their pants and wallets.

Pictured - a luxurious dining room full of the highest class gold-painted plastic stuff money can buy. Upon these fine furnishings - piles and boxes of overpriced low class fast food.

Elevating such "low class" symbols to be presented as the most grand thing imaginable - it's very flattering to the Symbol minded.
I am an Ethno Nationalist, Ed. What answer did you expect?
Ah, so he is just another SJW with nothing to say.

I was still slightly wondering if he was a misanthrope or a fellow practitioner of the correct philosophy of cynicism. (The later being extremely far fetched, granted.)

Thanks for clearing that up, Magnet.
You are not affected by any of the evils you've been quoting for so long and claim it's so darnedly necessary to defend against.
Evil eskimos can invade his state and steal away his socialist oil free money welfare check. That thing's worth a Nintendo Switch with 30 games every single year.

A fuckin' shitload of money, man.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT EDIT:

Sorry, I hadn't been tracking the Alaskan dividend fund over the years. That's 60 moderately aged games a year. AND THAT'S WITH THE REPUBLICANS WHO CONTROL THE STATE PASSING LAWS TO HALVE THE AMOUNT OF CASH IT PAYS OUT EVERY YEAR.

Holy fucking shit, these socialist bastards really do have something to protect. Not like us ancap wagies who have to work to get our Nintendo Switches/rent.

Damn Alaskan commies. I bet you can just plop a mobile home on top of some snow and never have to pay rent. Disgusting anti-capitalist pigs.
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Rob wrote:Spec, try to follow. In the post you quoted I was giving examples of positions with negative consequences that people seemingly expect to not bear poisonous fruit or be held accountable for.
I did follow, and Durandal pointed out to you that it's exactly the same for Trump, but you missed it. And Pelosi or Ocasio Cortez aren't the ones dealing with an investigation biting at their heels, or getting called out for backing down from the promises they asked everyone to mark, or getting their approval numbers slipping for holding hundreds of thousands of federal workers hostage.

Rob wrote:But I have no problem with generalizing about x. 'Not all x are like that' is not an argument against fact-based generalizations, like x use welfare at a higher rate or x commit crime at a higher rate. Generalizations are how we can determine that it is a net negative to let in tens of millions of self-selected people from south of the border - we wouldn't need California as proof, but now we do have California as proof.
Of course. Because looking at anything else that doesn't echo a feeling would destroy a person's bias. Especially when those fact-based generalizations have been cherry-picked, as it's been pointed out before. Hope you'll be checking in for detox soon, btw.

Rob wrote:He needs to deliver if he wants a chance to win 2020. It's a statement of political reality.
Keep in mind that there's the chance, the very, very small but also very real chance, that the horse you've betted on may have a leg that never healed proper. And no amount of cheering is going to make it run faster.
Rob wrote:This is why I don't like engaging with you - you are either not honest or smart enough to understand complex issues, or anything that would require you to accept facts that are unflattering. There are very serious problems (very much plural) that have been developing which will affect everyone in America until the end of America.
Back at you, mister. It's been pointed out to you with facts that things aren't as black and white, but the end is near and there's this ginormous crisis that ONLY Trump's wall can solve!.

There are problems all right, but they've been heavily magnified by someone who needs to sell you a "solution" that coincidentally wasn't needed until now, and with all due respect, you living all the way to cozy Alaska can't provide a better idea through all the sources you're getting your information (and confirming your bias while at it) from, compared to those who live in a border state. Of course it's going to sound like the sky is falling when it comes from a right-wing think tank. Heck. They've been sounding the "death" knell since freaking 2000.
Rob wrote:Tens of millions have not respected the fact that this is not their country. A wall, at the very least, is a neon sign that says "do not come here uninvited". Again, a lot of the damage has already been done and the wheels are set in motion, but I'd still like to see something accomplished. If the immigration problem is not mitigated relatively peacefully and soon, the inevitable result is not going to be good for anyone. No "hatred" or "resentment" is required to not want a politically and socially chaotic situation where I'm living.
Please don't put the patriotic bullshit act on when all you've done is disparage hispanics, blacks, muslims and particularly natives all through this thread and see the holding hostage of many of your fellow Americans as an acceptable "sacrifice". However, how about four years from now you pull out some more stats to rub a big "I TOLD YOU SO" on everyone's faces if such wall is ever built and it actually does change things even one tenth for the better? You know, what with the vast majority of people working illegally being those who overstayed their visa after getting in legally? And don't get me started on those who did things entirely by the book, but can't leave the country while their cases sit in limbo for over 20 years. Yes, this happens.

Also. That still doesn't answer the question of what was done TO YOU.
Rob wrote:Do not bother peabrainedly imagining what my concerns are - I will tell you.
You have already shown everyone:
Rob wrote:He needs to deliver, and Trump voters should be willing to make a short term, shutdown-related sacrifice. Mexican nationals and people who aren't Trump voters will whine regardless.

Again, would you be saying the same if you were part of such sacrifice?
Mischief Maker wrote:I think it's more about avoiding the embarrassment of admitting that Tony Schwartz was right and "The Art of the Deal" was fictional, and therefore the USA was conned by a moron whose brilliant technique is just peppering his wild promises with superlatives (tremendous, beautiful, etc.) and ending them with "believe me."

I've said it before and I'll say it again, you don't need to be smart to be a con man, you just need to be aggressive and double down when called out on your lies. "The Godfather" is fictional, "Goodfellas" is a true story. If Morrie the wig shop owner hadn't been killed, he'd have become president.
Explains a lot. That is a great harm indeed, and I'm not saying it in a sarcastic manner. (Made a little edit to your post)
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Rob wrote:It's bulletmagnet and the ethno-sadomasochistic elite vs. me, zen and the Dalai Lama.
Putting aside the fact that you (unsurprisingly, sadly) left out an important caveat from the Lama's statement, you continue - deliberately, I can only assume at this point - to misrepresent my personal position on the immigrant issue.

As I've said before, I'm not in the camp that believes that there is no price whatsoever to be paid by the host country when it comes to immigration, nor do I believe that our present system does not need a great deal of attention and improvement (though I do not concur that it's such an imminent and dire emergency that nearly a million federal workers should be held as hostages for weeks on end...which in itself speaks to the strength of the "argument" being advanced, but I digress).

What I have said is that if you ARE in the camp that so loudly insists that immigration is the decisive issue of our time, and that demands no holds barred in the effort and resources we devote to addressing it on any and all fronts, but you find yourself supporting Trump's pitifully one-note and laughably impotent "policy" to that end, you should be fucking embarrassed, because such a state of affairs is the ultimate proof positive that you're either painfully ignorant about an issue you claim to be so devoted to, or are, like Trump himself, infinitely more concerned with erecting a miles-long concrete billboard with yeaahhhh fuck yooouuu yeeaahhhh printed on it than so much as pretending to take the issue the least bit seriously.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary

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For those who might have missed it, the score for Rob:

Republicans stole 3.4 thousand dollars out of his welfare check to date.

Mexicans from Mexico have taken 0 dollars out of his wallet to date.

So he's at a -3,400 ideological point deficit.
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BulletMagnet wrote:
Rob wrote:It's bulletmagnet and the ethno-sadomasochistic elite vs. me, zen and the Dalai Lama.
Putting aside the fact that you (unsurprisingly, sadly) left out an important caveat from the Lama's statement, you continue - deliberately, I can only assume at this point - to misrepresent my personal position on the immigrant issue.

As I've said before, I'm not in the camp that believes that there is no price whatsoever to be paid by the host country when it comes to immigration, nor do I believe that our present system does not need a great deal of attention and improvement (though I do not concur that it's such an imminent and dire emergency that nearly a million federal workers should be held as hostages for weeks on end...which in itself speaks to the strength of the "argument" being advanced, but I digress).

What I have said is that if you ARE in the camp that so loudly insists that immigration is the decisive issue of our time, and that demands no holds barred in the effort and resources we devote to addressing it on any and all fronts, but you find yourself supporting Trump's pitifully one-note and laughably impotent "policy" to that end, you should be fucking embarrassed, because such a state of affairs is the ultimate proof positive that you're either painfully ignorant about an issue you claim to be so devoted to, or are, like Trump himself, infinitely more concerned with erecting a miles-long concrete billboard with yeaahhhh fuck yooouuu yeeaahhhh printed on it than so much as pretending to take the issue the least bit seriously.
*vigorous applause*

The shut down over this is a complete joke.
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Maybe he should have pushed for the wall when he had complete control of congress. Almost seems he isn't really interested in actually having "the wall". Almost seems like this is just a distraction to waste everyone's fucking time, does it not.

Republicans stole $3.29 dollars out of rob's welfare check today, and laid 0 bricks along the border for him in return.
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Shouldn't you be more down with the Don, right about now?
Haven't you heard, were making Ghostbusters Great Again!

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BryanM wrote:Maybe he should have pushed for the wall when he had complete control of congress. Almost seems he isn't really interested in actually having "the wall". Almost seems like this is just a distraction to waste everyone's fucking time, does it not.

Republicans stole $3.29 dollars out of rob's welfare check today, and laid 0 bricks along the border for him in return.
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BulletMagnet wrote:Putting aside the fact that you (unsurprisingly, sadly) left out an important caveat from the Lama's statement
I've read the entire statement. Nothing changes the "Europe belongs to Europeans" sentiment, which is essentially ethnonationalist/regionalist. Can you imagine a Tibetan agreeing?
if you ARE in the camp that so loudly insists that immigration is the decisive issue of our time
Immigration is the decisive issue because it ties into every other issue and is permanently and rapidly changing the country. What do you think is more important?
because such a state of affairs is the ultimate proof positive that you're either painfully ignorant about an issue you claim to be so devoted to, or are, like Trump himself, infinitely more concerned with erecting a miles-long concrete billboard with yeaahhhh fuck yooouuu yeeaahhhh printed on it than so much as pretending to take the issue the least bit seriously.
What about the immigration issue am I "painfully ignorant of", and what course of action would be "taking the issue seriously"?
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Rob wrote: Immigration is the decisive issue because it ties into every other issue and is permanently and rapidly changing the country. What do you think is more important?
i sure wonder whats causing immigration
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Seems like immigration policy "causes" immigration.
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Rob wrote:Seems like immigration policy "causes" immigration.
That's only one part of the equation, because I don't think a job as border patrol in Romania becomes more exciting when that country institutes an open/loose borders policy.

If anything I'd hazard a guess that loose ID laws/registration and the lack of tangible punishment against businesses for hiring illegal workers create greater incentive for immigration. Why you would forgo the cause in favor of the symptom by trying to get a wall built whose construction will inevitably get halted by the next inevitable GOP/Demoncrat president in the next term is a bit beyond me. It seems to me that there'd less effort and money involved on everyone's part to get the old fogeys to sign some piece of paper to make it less attractive for immigrants to work here than it is to build A Giant Walluigi, as dim as those chances are.
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the lack of tangible punishment against businesses for hiring illegal workers
HOLY FUCKING SHIT, what an incredible fucking concept.

... but, nah, we can't do that. That'd be anti-capitalist and not being a dumb racist. Can't have that.

Let's get those bailouts the banks'll be wanting in the next couple years ready. The racists will get zero bricks for their demilitarized zone, but I somehow think the banks will get everything they want and this time won't even have to put up with the abhorrent and unacceptable cost of being called a "fatcat" one (1) time.

Rob lost $3 of his welfare check to welfare cutting Republicans. They were a little more greedy than usual today.

Remember this is only the welfare check we're 100% certain he has. He probably has plenty more, but that's speculation and we don't speculate here in the nazi thread that doesn't care about the democratic primary for some reason.
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Rob wrote:
BulletMagnet wrote:Putting aside the fact that you (unsurprisingly, sadly) left out an important caveat from the Lama's statement
I've read the entire statement. Nothing changes the "Europe belongs to Europeans" sentiment, which is essentially ethnonationalist/regionalist. Can you imagine a Tibetan agreeing?
My man.

You are, of course, correct.
The "caveat", colours his statement of Nationhood and its indigenous people, in no way.

In point of fact, Mr. Thondup is an immovable Nationalist.
Any public appearance, towards even the slightest compromise on this matter, must be understood within the context of his responsibility for the lives he holds in his hands,
should he declare his position too plainly.
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Durandal wrote:If anything I'd hazard a guess that loose ID laws/registration and the lack of tangible punishment against businesses for hiring illegal workers create greater incentive for immigration.
It certainly is a reality.
Durandal wrote:Why you would forgo the cause in favor of the symptom
Part of the answer to that, can perhaps be explained by considering how "permissible" it would, or indeed would not be, examining those "causes".
The catastrophic numbers of untrained, uneducated, uncivilised, unemployed and indeed unemployable third worlder's permanently changing Europe right now -
is cheap labour the cause of that?
BryanM wrote: here in the nazi thread that doesn't care about the democratic primary for some reason.
And were off to the races, again. Nazi's everywhere.
Democratic Primary thread?
And here was I, thinking that this was the "fuck whitey" thread.
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Durandal wrote:Why you would forgo the cause in favor of the symptom by trying to get a wall built whose construction will inevitably get halted by the next inevitable GOP/Demoncrat president in the next term is a bit beyond me.
What I always get from talk of the wall is that people really don't want a wall, irrationally. What about visa overstays, what about Mischief Maker's secret drug submarines, what about a meat packing plant in Ohio, etc.

If you wanted to reduce the amount of illegal immigration, you would try to prevent people from entering regardless of anything (not everyone is coming here to work) and penalize people who manage to circumvent the prevention (and people who employ them - not hope that a possible punishment at an end stage is the magic key that stops the entire process). Though if a wall and a law must be pitted against each other, one thing that can be said about a wall is that, if it is built and for as long as it stands (and I don't doubt that every effort to sabotage its remaining construction would be taken), it would perform its function dutifully. Laws are only effective if they are enforced, and immigration-related laws are enforced arbitrarily. Yes, the existing laws should be enforced and multiple other things can and should be done in addition.
BryanM wrote:... but, nah, we can't do that. That'd be anti-capitalist and not being a dumb racist. Can't have that.
Bryan, do you ever feel a twinge of cheek-reddening embarrassment about having bought into the knee-slapping fantasy that we can have Denmark's "socialism" in America without any of the ingredients that make Denmark what it is (a genetically similar, competent people, with no dominating racial antagonisms and no great intellectual stratification of society... the shared history, the shared religion, etc.)? This wishful separation of the system and its results from the people who created and maintain the system seems to be a fashionable thought of the moment's most vacuous thinkers (Paul Krugman here, Francis Fukuyama here - "we want to turn Afghanistan, Somalia or Yemen into some version of Denmark", this "income inequality" obsessive here - "if Americans want to live the American dream they should go to Denmark", Bernie everywhere). I'd love ultra-white, high trust Denmark in my tiny corner of America just as much as you wish it in yours, but I'm afraid it's not happening and you would be much better off cashing in your privilege, trying harder, and getting a job or better paying job. Get that paper, Bryan. :shock: You don't hate capitalism, you just want more money to enjoy the fruits of capitalism, and I don't blame you. I'd like to live in a nice cabin in the remote wilderness like my man Richard Proenneke, and that wasn't free even in the '60s. He had a dream, worked hard and earned it. Don't be afraid of working hard and bettering yourself. With love,
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Re: 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary

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Okay, never mind your premise that hair color and shared choice of holiday songs somehow affect a system of taxation and resource distribution...

...but why is it the people who are always saying the US can't possibly be like Denmark because of small details, simultaneously say that if we enact any kind of socialist policy we're going to instantly and unavoidably end up identical to Venezuela?
Two working class dudes, one black one white, just baked a tray of ten cookies together.

An oligarch walks in and grabs nine cookies for himself.

Then he says to the white dude "Watch out for that black dude, he wants a piece of your cookie!"
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You are simultaneously, requesting wilful disregard of the absolute answer to your question, while asking your question?!
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Zen wrote:You are simultaneously, requesting wilful disregard of the absolute answer to your question, while asking your question?!
Please, describe the concrete mechanism by which these things affect the enforcement of tax policy.
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I'm sure all tax policies will be enforced to whatever extent the enforcers wish (or not).
Mischief Maker wrote:Okay, never mind your premise that hair color and shared choice of holiday songs somehow affect a system of taxation and resource distribution...
It's the all important distribution of resources (or rather redistribution), that is the issue.
Do we really want to get into a race realism argument, again?

Re. "taxation and resource distribution";, my own Country took a massive hit to it's medical budget/welfare system with Benefit tourism,
(which by the way, is a "myth" according to publications like the Financial Times, who obfuscate, by only quoting EU immigrants),
and it continues to take a heavy toll on us.
As of 2017, in Ireland, for some reason that the medical boards won't discuss, "Record numbers of people diagnosed with HIV" are being treated, at great expense.
Then there is crime. Will I go on?

Immigration, is being sold to us by our politicians, under orders from Brussels, as the means to our future National growth.
One Million, by 2040 (our current population is 4.8 million, for reference). How do you reckon the "system of taxation and resource distribution", is going to play out there?
Where are all these new "Irish" people coming from and are they in funds?
Well, according to our unelected EU overlords, Africa, is Europe's future.

Guess who is paying for it?
This is immigrant "taxation and resource distribution". Does this seem like a problem to you?

You want to see this on steroids? Go to London, Sweden, Italy, Spain, France, Germany.

Now, you Americans know more about your illegal aliens than I.
Is It a different situation over there? Are your ever growing, never ending invaders, a net gain, or loss.

How about the effect on voting demographics and what will the effect of that change be, on "taxation and resource distribution"?


And then, there is of course, the Cultural effects of forced immigration.
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Mischief Maker wrote:Okay, never mind your premise that hair color and shared choice of holiday songs somehow affect a system of taxation and resource distribution...
If you want a very large and generous welfare system that people do not begrudge paying into, or if you just want a pleasant, high functioning society in general, you need group cohesion. The tried and true formula for the desired group cohesion is shared racial identity, history, religion (even if you want to reduce that universal societal Krazy Glue to "shared holiday songs"). Having agreed-upon social norms, similar behavioral patterns (and every behavioral trait is heritable) keeps the machine running smoothly, and in America we can't even agree that sharing a culture is a good or necessary thing. Leftism/liberalism/progressivism/whatever attracts pie in the sky thinking. People who can't choose between things that simply can not coexist. You want the most extreme racial & religious diversity ever assembled in one place but also an "all for one and one for all!" system that would require caring about the well-being of one's fellow countrymen, and in America a good chunk of the voting population is often caught wishing death upon the other large chunk.

Just think about the populations we've been adding to the American mix. The large influx of people who, with their first action towards America and Americans, chose a total disregard for the rules we have in place. And you want to mimic a country that seems to prefer (and use to success) an honor system.
In Denmark, they can do without the turnstiles. The trains run on electricity but the system’s finances run on trust. This is true of the Danish economy as a whole.
Compare to D.C. Council Overrides Mayor Muriel Bowser’s Veto of Metro Fare Evasion Decriminalization, where penalizing fare evasion has been deemed racist ("91 percent of the 20,000 criminal summons and citations from 2016 to 2018 were given to African Americans") while D.C. Metro is bleeding money ("$25 million to $50 million per year losses due to fare evasion").

You can't have higher-achieving, law-abiding groups footing the bill for everyone else.
MM wrote:simultaneously say that if we enact any kind of socialist policy we're going to instantly and unavoidably end up identical to Venezuela?
I don't think America will sink that far any time soon because while America is not Denmark it's also not Venezuela, but I did/will say again that Bernie marking himself as a Venezuela booster a moment before the survivalist rat eating commenced was a mistake. It's the kind of poverty of judgment that would've ended the career of a normal politician, but Bernie diehards will unironically don the hammer and sickle, so maybe it only adds to his communist bona fides (in the face of incredible, tragic failure, continue as if nothing ever happened :shock:).
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Mischief Maker wrote:Please, describe the concrete mechanism by which these things affect the enforcement of tax policy.
I love the focus on "enforcement" here, rather than any desire to participate in such a system. The bayonet might work for a bit, or maybe people will break out the yellow vests. :lol:
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Yeah, sorry to put the phrenology discussion aside for the moment, Rob, but holy shit, there's a US backed coup attempt happening in Venezuela right now!

Holy Shit, Trump may actually lap Bush jr. for damage done in a single term. Who's ready to trade blood for oil?!
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sorry to put the phrenology discussion aside for the moment
I hope we can get back to the "phrenology" of DNA being a thing someday.
there's a US backed coup attempt happening in Venezuela right now
The kneejerk but probably safe reaction is that this is a serious error, as meddling in the affairs of others almost always is. Even if something positive results, there is only ever blame to receive.
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If you want a very large and generous welfare system that people do not begrudge paying into, or if you just want a pleasant, high functioning society in general, you need group cohesion.
Why bring this up? There seems to be a lot of overlap between people opposed to immigration and opposed to socialism (you know, unless it's a government subsidy directed at their particular business or cause, in which case they don't call it socialism). You just mocked "communist" Bernie supporters in the same post. I certainly don't believe that if the border wall was built, attempts to cut social spending and cut taxes for billionaires would die down.

Group cohesion never was a big thing in the US and it ain't getting any better with plutocrats in charge. It's fine to be concerned about immigration but maybe if we could muster some support for raising George Soros's taxes, he wouldn't have so much extra money to spend on his Open Society junk, eh?
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