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 Post subject: Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:33 pm 


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Apparently protesters showed up in SWANKEH Beverly Hills, and were promptly skullfucked by... THA POLICE :shock: Image


heh, "unlawful assembly". I'm sure quietly sitting in a corner in a park and then going home would be totally effective at changing anything. "Have you guys seen my stapler I really like my stapler no okay."

Frankly I'm amazed we got anything from this. I mean, all we got is Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben rebranding themselves. But I guess that's something material................................. ... not really......

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(doubly so considering how few of Sanders' avowed supporters bothered to show up at the polls).


We went over this a hundred times. Turnout was better than 2016. Sanders had a majority (not a plurality) among the 50 and less crowd.

Turnout for the over 50 crowd was absolutely through the stratosphere, as old people love murdering their children and grandchildren apparently. Four years of "Trump bad" libbrain TV worked.

What irritates me is your extreme, unnatural obsession with what the white supremacists think. How effective were they at stopping Obama? Why is that, again? Is it because the white supremacists.... just love to vote for Obama? Ten years ago? You've been absolutely incapable of addressing this point for years now. You full well know it's tv that controls the lib brain, and tv would be in Trump's corner, reforming him among the social libs more quickly than they did George W. (Sanders and Chomsky claiming Trump is worse than Bush is outright criminal.)

(And also how you're ignoring the ratfuck voltron the democrats had to do since Sanders was projected to win the primary if Pete and Amy and Liz stayed in. Yeah, that's totally normal. Remember when the entire republican party stopped running against Trump immediately and backed Ted Cruz? ...that didn't happen? Hrm, I wonder why.)

Bloomberg, the republican oligarch, was able to acquire 20% in the democrat's primary off the advertising he bought with a month's worth of his income (advertising that was focus group tested to the point of sounding like full blown communism, since people dying in gutters doesn't sell well to anyone apparently), and nothing else.

Our species deserves the extinction it's embraced. Maybe John Bolten and his bros can finally get that war with Iran under Biden, maybe not. Guess we'll see.

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It's disappointing that Jimmy Dore was completely correct about what was going to happen in the primary. It's not exactly wizard science to say the same thing that has always happened will probably happen again, but, damn. Leftists have quite a bit of contempt for Sanders these days, as he folded like a chair this time. (Hilariously, you know how chuds make fun of leftists with their "no refunds haha" joke? The Sanders campaign actually does give refunds.)


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 Post subject: Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:45 pm 


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Fuck me, people are so over the Covid-19 plague that it doesn't even enter into their analysis of the primary anymore.
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 Post subject: Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:53 pm 


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Turnout was better than 2016.

Even if this was the case, it still takes the air out of the notion that there's this huge, inevitable groundswell of voters just waiting for a "real" leftist to appear and give them something worth finally uniting behind, at least at this particular point in time; maybe I missed it, but I don't recall that much-circulated theory coming with a disclaimer of "...just so long the 'mainstream' portions of the party don't pull any strings to try to maintain their hold, which, y'know, probably won't happen anyways, that's just silly."

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What irritates me is your extreme, unnatural obsession with what the white supremacists think.

Methinks it's pretty clear by now that my distillation of modern conservatism - which, it's worth remembering, controls almost every level of power here at the moment (not like that stops them from constantly complaining about how everything is rigged against us :lol:) - as near-totally driven by yeeeahhh fuck yooouuu yeeaahh goes far beyond the white supremacist demographic.

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Bloomberg, the republican oligarch, was able to acquire 20% in the democrat's primary off the advertising he bought with a month's worth of his income (advertising that was focus group tested to the point of sounding like full blown communism, since people dying in gutters doesn't sell well to anyone apparently), and nothing else.

You act like that was the actual reason he ran.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:07 pm 


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Politics is for garbage people. I already told you Biden was probably going to win the primary years ago, it was his turn, the contraption king noted it.

And I already told you I conceded that Sanders would have been destroyed like Corbyn was by the media in a general election. They would just lie and make Trump look like FDR and Sanders as some kind of racist blood-gurgling monster.

Electoralism is completely moot anyway - we're extinct where we stand.

So let's just enjoy the sunset, eh.

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No... it.... really.... really does not. "White people good I pet them on the head; democrats bad they suck" is the entire platform of the republicans. "Republicans aren't that bad, but my party did a couple ok things over half a century ago" is the entire platform of the democrats. It's really, really dumb and we really do deserve what we're getting.

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You act like that was the actual reason he ran.


Bloomberg said he'd run to stop Sanders if he was in the lead. Obama said he'd pick up a phone and actually do something for a change in his life, in this case to stop Sanders if "he was running away with it". I know you've had to have read multiple news articles from mainstream press about this in 2019. They literally did what they said they were going to do.

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 Post subject: Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:39 pm 


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Why would Bryan even need to explain things that are so painfully obvious?

Also, I still don't get why most Americans aren't even aware that other people have universal health care for less. It's not a secret.

Every time I think that maybe people will wise up, reality snaps back. sigh

Biden is going to be a nothingburger.

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 Post subject: Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:21 pm 


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Also, I still don't get why most Americans aren't even aware that other people have universal health care for less. It's not a secret.


Conservatives have convinced poor conservatives that many things that are in their best economic interest (universal health care, voting democrat) are against them. Many middle of the line conservatives think they're rich, or that they can be and when they get there they don't want to be the ones giving the "hand outs". Don't red states outnumber blue when it comes to ACA registrants?

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A nothingburger for the last 3.5 years would have been nice.
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 Post subject: Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:42 pm 


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It's really a remarkable mind fuck when you think about it.
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 Post subject: Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:26 pm 


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My dream Biden administration policy outcomes:

#1 - They don't kick off the war with Iran. No Biden bad Biden!

#2 - They allow 20% of the Trump tax cuts to expire in 2027, assuming the democrats win in 2024. The corporate tax cuts are permanent so they won't touch those.

#3 - They increase the minimum wage by a token $1.80 so there could be some material excuse to vote for democrats.

#4 - They continue roughly the same amount of Trumpbux if the plague is still an issue.

Inspiring.

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Conservatives have convinced poor conservatives that many things that are in their best economic interest (universal health care) are against them.


Universal health care flat out isn't on the menu, and is barely a speck on our current political window. The democrats oppose it, Joe Biden has promised to veto it if the biggest miracle in the history of every universe that has ever existed happened (even more miraculous than the many miracles of Xenu put together) and it somehow passed through the Senate. With the senate's one (1) single supporter of the policy.

Technically the green party is on some menus, but they never get close to getting on the ballot on all the states and are grifters anyway.

There is no voting against capitalism, there is only more capitalism. So why wouldn't people who care about and participate in politics would prefer as much capitalism as possible, which the republicans represent? Why do it half-assed?


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 Post subject: Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse
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Conservatives have convinced poor conservatives that many things that are in their best economic interest (universal health care) are against them.


Universal health care flat out isn't on the menu,[/quote]

Nobody was really saying it was. The point was that it's such a debatable... well debated, anyway... topic.
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 Post subject: Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse
PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:05 am 


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:03 pm 


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lol the crapo trap house reddit got banned for letting people say John Brown was a hero. So I guess reddit is formally de-facto pro-slavery.

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Nobody was really saying it was. The point was that it's such a debatable... well debated, anyway... topic.


It wasn't until Sanders ran for president, you had to go online and visit a leftist echo chamber or run into a bible-thumping leftist to run into the idea. There was Moore's Sicko, and the Bill Moyers shows, but those are very obscure. In most people's minds, "universal healthcare" means/meant "Obamacare", because that's what democrats mean when they use the term. That's a huge issue, the chicken and the egg problem: electoralism is for people who like this kind of thing, and this kind of thing is pretty awful. By design.

About 90% of the population wants to raise the minimum wage, over 60% support "universal healthcare", whatever they think it is. Over 50% of republican voters say they support universal medicare, which always amazed me that propaganda can't absolutely do anything. Splits come from peer pressure, aesthetic tastes, and misaligned terminal values - ie, churches and how the #1 issue for a lot of conservatives is immigration.

It's incredible how old people are scared shitless over AoC. The "bartenders shouldn't be in congress" line blows my mind fundamentally and not just how it belittles her as a person by willfully ignoring/erasing her degrees - what, so the bootsucking vampire cannibals we have in congress are better than a normal human being? The idiocy defeats itself and is obviously not the point. The point is they're scared of change, scared of dying and being forgotten, and refuse to admit their generation fucked anything up.


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 Post subject: Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse
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BryanM wrote:
It wasn't until Sanders ran for president, you had to go online and visit a leftist echo chamber or run into a bible-thumping leftist to run into the idea.


I guess you are too young to remember. There was this black guy that championed it some 8 years prior. It was actually a topic before that even, but the extremes didn't seem quite as extreme, in terms of pricing.
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I'm not the only person who feels like moving all the bibles from the "non-fiction" section to the "fiction" section whenever they're in a Wal-Mart, am I?

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I guess you are too young to remember. There was this black guy that championed it some 8 years prior. It was actually a topic before that even, but the extremes didn't seem quite as extreme, in terms of pricing.


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In most people's minds, "universal healthcare" means/meant "Obamacare"


Obamacare/90's Clintoncare isn't universal healthcare and was counterproductive to the cause. (Seriously no gaslighting - this is like you saying the democrats wanted to raise the minimum wage. By... having Obama mumble some stuff about it under his breath in the middle of a 2 hour state of the union speech, and then never doing a single other thing to make it happen. C'mon, be real.) As should be expected when people feel like you've lied to them, they'll think the next hope and change guy's a complete fraud as well even if he has a clean resume that goes back decades. These sock puppets would rather die than remove the wedge between old and young on Medicare.

The reality of the "pay less, get more" of singlepayer always sounds like a scam to those living in our hellworld; they're not cognizant of how much the healthcare industry price gouges us. Manufacturing Consent, Capitalist Realism, etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse
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I know! You can "reform" things by totally defunding them!

Republican Style!

Huked en fonicks werked fer mee!

Unbelievable.

In other news, Boris would be an "antisemite" in America this afternoon. Not even kidding. He'd probably get fired from Labour for those remarks as well.
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 Post subject: Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse
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BryanM wrote:
Obamacare/90's Clintoncare isn't universal healthcare and was counterproductive to the cause.


Obama said it was a stepping stone, as there is no starting from scratch (for anything in politics). If you're saying you want to jump straight in to something like the UK's NHS... good luck w/ that.
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Earlier this year Matt had a little video essay on the question of if liberals are the enemy or not. It's obviously a question that weighs on you a lot for those who want to improve society somewhat, but these guys want to rant about Russia or whatever instead and lose to republicans over and over again for some reason.

It is obvious liberalism is the default religion imposed on us, conservative or social liberalism is all our official Overton window allows. That also explains why Ron Paul libertarianism is often an entryway for some on the left - it's closer to liberalism since it doesn't reject capitalism at all. And you're more likely to run into some random guy bible thumping for it online. Legalizing marijuana, less war, and not outright worshipping police as superheroes are attractive to many.

I disagree with Matt however. Electoralism has been too late to deal with "climate armageddon" as he calls it, so those who voted in favor of extinction are kind of the enemy imo no matter how busy or lazy they were in their personal lives to not give any critical consideration of our political system.

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It's not a stepping stone, it's a stopping stone. If you actually believe incrementalism is the way things happen, that it's not just a lazy way to brush aside annoying thoughts you don't want to have to think, you don't care about history at all.

What were the little interim steps to a minimum wage, again? How many Heritage Foundation-esque plans were passed that cosmetically pretended to give working people enough money to scrape by? Or did they just fold to the communists after enormous outside pressure, and implemented Marxist MinCash as a concession of absolute last resort?

What happened when they passed Medicare 55 years ago? Did they ever expand that, significantly, like Mr.JFK said they would? How many more generations do we have to wait, Gaijin? At this point, forget the famines of climate change - the Sun will run out of hydrogen before they decide to grow a heart and give this to us. If we don't take it, and you don't want to help us to take it, you're no less harmful than the republicans. Like the democrats, you're not working to undo the harm republicans do, you just want to give them their gains a little bit slower. Capitalists will continue to hold power, workers will continue to have none in the world you wish for.

I know we're all brainwashed from birth no differently from any other dictatorship, but after W. there's really no reason to still be a liberal. Unless you personally don't want to pay 5% more in taxes so some poor person can have a kidney transplant. In which case, again, why not just be a republican? Cosmetic dislike for their aesthetic? Don't like feeling like one of the "bad" guys? Or do you think taking too much too openly will accelerate disaffection among the masses and risk stimulating revolution?

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Seriously this is a thought-terminating cliche. You know how almost everything that isn't about immigration and guns with GOP voters is a distraction to defend their core terminal beliefs from being identified and attacked? Memes about procedure, like incrementalism, are the same thing for democrats. A protective shell designed to waste people's time.


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 Post subject: Re: Prelude to the Apocalypse
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meanwhile in britfordshire our strange government is relaxing most lockdown restrictions on the 4th of july. A Saturday; not the beginning of a new working week.
I would really LOVE to know, beyond doubt, the rationale for this date.
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meanwhile in britfordshire our strange government is relaxing most lockdown restrictions on the 4th of july. A Saturday; not the beginning of a new working week.
I would really LOVE to know, beyond doubt, the rationale for this date.


I've heard rumors that sudden relaxation of quarantine restrictions in places like California was to give people someplace to be other than protesting in the streets.
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I've heard rumors that sudden relaxation of quarantine restrictions in places like California was to give people someplace to be other than protesting in the streets.

How devoted can anyone claim to be to whatever cause they're protesting if they're willing to stop showing up because, hey, Baskin Robbins is open?
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How can anyone be mad about the way things always have been?

Especially now that we've fixed the problem by getting rid of that tactless Aunt Jemima and crass Uncle Ben. Capitalism fixed 4life.

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This is probably a waste of time, but I love you, BIL, and I want the best for you so please take this constructively:

I did an image search on that picture to find out who it was supposed to be, and all I got back was a link to kiwifarms.

Dude, it's been barely more than a week since someone on this thread posted about how a guy just lost his lifelong dream job as an indie developer by getting doxxed for edgelording -not by a purple-haired feminist- but by a fellow edgelord.

These are toxic communities who will turn on you, man. It happens again and again from trailer park brawls that result in servers being nuked and arrests, to Richard Spencer having his "dapper nazi" reputation shattered by Milo releasing a tape of Spencer mask-off.

How do you know you don't have someone already keeping a file on you? And at what vulnerable moment will you have the terminator truck crash through your wall if you keep hanging around those places?

I know it's a gradual process, and I am all about forgiveness and second chances. But just because it's a joke for you doesn't mean it's the same for them. Like contrapoints said in her cryptonazi video, for years before she transitioned she jumped at every opportunity she could to cross-dress "ironically."

I could be completely misinterpreting and overreacting, but from my perspective I see a friend walking into a meat-grinder and I can't let it happen without at least shouting, "Look out!"
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I rove you too MM Image I appreciate the concern, it's good advice and no waste of time! But in my case, it's actually this forum that'd bring Biruford Press @ Tinkletowne BLVD crashing down, if any.

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I wonder if Google's jackboot is getting a little ragged, KF usually gets buried hard. Reverse image search gets me VeteransToday twitter, a regular source of dread bemusement - and in this case, a valiant expose on CIA operative / harbinger of nuclear apocalypse BootyMayne McShaggerford. Remember, on a white steed Death came :shock:

Well I guess this chap would be War. Fuck. Never mind :evil:
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