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 Post subject: Re: From Software 'n such
PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:10 pm 


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By the by, I do think sometimes about how nearly every popular game franchise involves some sort of violence/combat.
And I do wonder if this will ever be left behind or its exclusion commercially viable. That's for the entirety of gaming though, not muh FromSoft who've built their brand and legacy around solid combat in the past ten years. :roll:
The wider topic deserves its own thread, really.


Certainly does. Resi 7 was the last game to have me shaking my head at boss battles and contemplating if there's another way of doing things. SH Downpour is currently making me want to shove the controller down someone's throat for the way it at least gets the aesthetics so bob on, and the combat so utterly, utterly wrong.

But yeah, From have carved a niche with these games and they'd be foolish to stray too far from it. And it's not as if there's anyone can compete with them, just look at the Lords of the Fallen crap.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:33 pm 


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Considering the pains they went to giving the trial and error combat an in lore explanation (being undead and all that) and how much they built on that, I think it's fair to say that From are very much in the business of using their game's combat as a part of the story telling. Not to say that further diversifying the ways in which the player interacts with the world would be an bad thing, but to me at least the experience of the Souls games amounts to a fair bit more than just hitting things with swords and lore splurges.

Not much information to go on Elden Ring as to whether it will take a substantially different direction from Dark Souls, but considering the experimentation done in BB and Sekiro I'd be surprised if it was just a DS soft reboot, though it's hard to imagine there not being a lot of comparisons to be drawn.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:18 pm 


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-Didn't mean to come across as snide though I can see how that is the case. I'm old and embittered and I spend a lot of time defending the medium I love from people who will never touch a game due to preconceived notions that keep being reiterated.
-Dunno if that's a postmodern reading (surely character arcs and the development of relationships is the opposite of that tendency). I've only read the first ~ten volumes because of financial reasons and fatigue. I wasn't trying to imply an exact ratio/any kind of full on content analysis. It's worth pointing out that swinging swords is narrative, same as establishment of setting etc.
-To say 'Souls would 'be better without combat' is ridiculous, as the entire narrative is encoded in the process of fighting and dying and desperation and dying and the relationship between the player/audience/user/spectator and the game (now that IS postmodern). Combat is clearly an effective way of exploring narrative and the Soulsfieldring series is exemplary at doing this.
-However a new franchise where all we know is a few superficial details and a bunch of goth coffee stains surely elicits a few wistful offhand considerations.
-Once more I would love to play Deraciné. It's got me written all over it. Yet the entry requirements are too steep right now. Has anyone even seen a PSVR headset in the flesh?
-I'm not demanding anything, though I apologise for the hyperbole. That's uncalled for. Let's rephrase it: "It would be awesome if other avenues aside from a focus on combat could be explored, though this clearly would not be commercially viable.
-The prevalence of combat in videogames does invite further exploration. I don't know if an internet forum is the best... forum for this however. Maybe! Talking about videogames rocks.
-I once ate pizza every day and ended up getting a chest infection due to malnutrition. It was fun while it lasted.
-Berserk is gay as fuck.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:28 pm 


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MX7 wrote:
-Didn't mean to come across as snide though I can see how that is the case. I'm old and embittered and I spend a lot of time defending the medium I love from people who will never touch a game due to preconceived notions that keep being reiterated.


*Puts down the pitchfork*
or the..autist pitchfork+10, if you will.

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-Once more I would love to play Deraciné. It's got me written all over it. Yet the entry requirements are too steep right now. Has anyone even seen a PSVR headset in the flesh?


yeah i retract my own snide comment re: deracine.
I'd like to play it too but nothing else makes me want to fork out for VR.

Does anyone know of a good playthrough online without some twat yelling over it and that portrays the game in a good light?

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-Berserk is gay as fuck.

Griffiths' desires don't make the entire manga gay.
It was just one bathing scene, damnit...

If anything, it's pansexual.
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I picked up Eternal Ring and Shadow Tower Abyss in a bargain bin over the weekend and I'm really hooked. ER feels too easy so far compared to King's Field but I love it for all the quality of life improvements. Souls combat is obviously objectively better, but I wish from would risk making another moody first person dungeon crawler again...
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Shadow Tower Abyss in a bargain bin? o_O


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Yep, 480yen.
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[quote="MX7-Once more I would love to play Deraciné. It's got me written all over it. Yet the entry requirements are too steep right now. Has anyone even seen a PSVR headset in the flesh?[/quote]

I love mine! Forgot about Deracine though, there was barely any press about it and it never made it anywhere near the front of the store that I can recall, even on the VR page. I'll check it out.
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Finally got my CRT set up again after a long and gruelling house move, and I'm champing at the bit to get back into KFIV, Eternal Ring and both Shadow Towers, all of which I'd been making some headway in. Really pleasing to see so many people here playing the same games, and that there's still a keen audience for these incredibly evocative, peerless experiences - hope you'll keep sharing your thoughts as you go along!


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What's everyone's thoughts on the best way to play Kings Field 4? As in is it best to go in totally blind and make mistakes, or are there a few general hints and tips to make life easier?

I'm excited to get started!
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I think it's always worth trying to beat the game the first time completely organically.


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I didn't get far enough to offer any general tips, but I do have a specific one for the game's opening: by all means take the path to the left and check out the shop, but don't do what I did and start racking your brains about how to progress in this area (I was trying to get through the shopkeeper's waterlogged cellar for longer than I care to admit). Your real goal is along the more treacherous path to the right from the starting area. :p

I'd definitely recommend just diving in blind, though. I got through KF1 and 2 this way not long ago, relying on nothing but the half-finished maps you find*, and had some of the most satisfying gaming experiences of my life. Also, as you know, slowwwwly strafing gets the goods!

*an incredible and underappreciated piece of world-building and storytelling.


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Making your own maps can be really fun.


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 Post subject: Re: From Software 'n such
PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:15 pm 


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MX7 wrote:
go in totally blind and make mistakes

This one.


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 Post subject: Re: From Software 'n such
PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:35 am 


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:04 am 


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Yeah there isn't a whole lot you can do to screw up that game. It's all about exploring the unknown.


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Well here's how I screwed up in mid to late game KF4

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I saved the dwarven blacksmith chap from the thawed area, and promptly forgot all about him.

So I wandered around late game with a plethora of degrading weapons, losing damage as time went on.. before realising that he'd moved back to the earth people area and could repair (and upgrade??) my stuff.
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I had a great time with a blind KF4 run. But I did completely miss one pretty basic thing:

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I only realized you could perform magic attacks after I beat the game and was looking up what weird collectibles I might have missed


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Just finished Eternal Ring on my JPS2. I finished everything in the game and really broke it by the end. Mirage + Kaiser Knuckle + Stop Time absolutely slaughtered the golden knight at the end of the sealed cave. Though I found it really easy and more on the linear side compared to KF2 it was a really nice and relaxing game overall. I really like the focus on magic and the wealth of interesting spells at your disposal. I did encounter a lot of sound bugs and crashes near the end though which was too bad. Not sure if I'm going to jump straight into Shadow Tower Abyss next given that I kind of want to finish the original first.

Also I thought of a great way to market a new King's Field in 2019... PlayStation VR. I would kill for that and I bet it would work really well. It'll never happen though.
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