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 Post subject: Re: From Software 'n such
PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:33 pm 


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I could have sworn I've seen KF2 remade in SoM also, but I guess that might be a fan project. Either way, probably don't bother.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:08 am 


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There's a postgame boss rush which has the same issue, spending like half an hour taking you through super easy bosses you've already beaten, only to subsequently face one you've never seen before with no way of gauging its pattern.


Oh great that's up next for me ahah


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yup

Already died twice to Mato & Oro who are probably shit pissbaby easy compared to everything else this expansion's gonna throw at me.
Edit: oh looks like you can practice them on that bit off to the right.
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 Post subject: Re: From Software 'n such
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:52 pm 


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Got the itch to play Dark Souls II again, so to mix things up I decided to try a SL1 run. Five hours in and I just finished No Man's Wharf.. something I would have done much faster on a normal run.

I used to complain about DS2's bosses, but I'm starting to see things a bit differently on this run. With the adaptability stat being so low, you have to know your bosses 100%--there's no room for slop. It's actually pretty satisfying getting successful dodges one after another, knowing how terrible the roll is without boosting that stat.

Parrying seems more valuable as well. It's something I never felt the need to use in a normal run, but I'm implementing it much more now especially as I am finding bosses can be parried, something I've never bothered to try before. There just wasn't a need until now, the bosses had always been a pushover.

For the regular areas I've been OK with abusing fire bombs and throwing knives. Still stuck with a dagger as my main weapon, but I've gotten used to it. I tried two-handing some swords, but damn are they slow. Someone mentioned to me that I might be able to two-hand a crossbow, so I'll try that later.

Thinking of areas ahead, I'm definitely not looking forward to Shrine of Amana. Also, some of the DLC might be iffy--not sure if I'm going to tackle that yet. I'll probably focus on the base game first, then see how I feel about the DLC.

Side note, every time I play the original Dark Souls II, I forget how much I miss that shortcut added to the Wharf in Scholar of the First Sin.
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 Post subject: Re: From Software 'n such
PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:29 am 


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Occasionally I think of the King's Field games, grab an ISO and think "this is really cool" until I die every 10 minutes and never make it to the second save point.

I've been trying to crack King's Field (the second one from a Japanese standpoint) and I both really want to and just can't - it's just slightly too janky for me. Is there a modern equivalent that doesn't lag or have terrible hitboxes? I went on a bit of a google search last night and found Legend of Grimrock/2 and Dungeons & Darkness and neither really feels right.


stick with it, it's a brilliant game.


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Nioh seems to be either a love it or hate it kind of game. I don't usually hear opinions that fall in the middle. Still haven't tried it myself but intend to some day.

I'm pretty in the middle on Nioh. The core action gameplay is absolutely phenomenal, and the character creator in the sequel is second to none but almost everything else slowly chips away from my interest until I inevitably drop the game and never return. It drives me insane because there is a fucking fantastic video game in there, but it is buried in six feet of garbage that you have to continually rifle through to engage with it.


Exactly the same feeling here, but the good was enough I was willing to accept the bad. The Diablo style loot system is really the biggest stain on the game for me, especially with how pointless farming other players "phantoms" made it. I wonder how the sequel improved upon it...

The "player's phantoms" become useless in later difficulties. The game really opens up after the 1st loop and keeps getting better on each loop.

Nioh is just too addicting. I'm 280 hours in and I know damn well I won't stop it. The game is a little masterpiece. The combat feels too good, slicing Yokai never gets old.

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But since this is a FromSoft thread, and I've never played a Fromsoft game in my life, I wanted suggestions.

I just stumbled on a random gameplay video of King's Field IV and I fell in love with the music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpsd4JmoEWI

What's the best King Field game to start with? The PS2 emulation is good nowadays?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:03 am 


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PS2 emulation is great (just requires a little per-game tweaking to get nice visual results), but a friend once encountered a bug with KF4 in PCSX2 that prevented them from finishing it. It's probably been fixed since, but I couldn't say for sure.

Apart from that I'd say KF4 is a damn fine game to start with if you can get over the initial shock of the walking speed, which seems to put a lot of people off. The safest bet is probably KF2 (KF1 US), though, since it's a lot more breezy and has really incredible 'interconnected' level design (a single enornmous, open world with no loading screens!) that's sure to impress any fan of Dark Souls or modern search-action fare. Honestly, though, I'd say you can't go wrong with any of them - they're all powerfully atmospheric, evocative experiences that offer something utterly unlike anything else available (even later From games - to speak of them as proto-Souls games, stepping stones on the way to something objectively better, is to do them a big disservice).


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 Post subject: Re: From Software 'n such
PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:38 am 


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even later From games - to speak of them as proto-Souls games, stepping stones on the way to something objectively better, is to do them a big disservice


Preach, ya beautiful scouse bastard.

I've been meaning to replay KF2(jp) and then do a magic only playthrough, see if it's possible.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:10 am 


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Hahaha! Yeah, a magic-only run sounds doable but I imagine it's hard to get started? There were loads of points in the first two games where I'd run out of magic for a good while, too. It's much less of a problem once you have a few flasks on you, though, so I guess the run would involve speedrunning to all the spell and flask locations before doing much else. Sounds fun, anyway - let us know how you get on with it!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:16 pm 


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Can you get the red potions before needing to fight anything? You're not killing much with 30 MP. KF2 would be an interesting speedrun. I just finished it tonight. Glad I did, even if getting the Dark Slayer was a real pain in the ass.

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Finished KFII (JP) today. It's hard to get going, but once you have some forward momentum it's not terribly difficult as the game really does give you a lot of healing resources.

I'd say the game starts to decline at the big mine - the mine cart you get randomly shot off of without any real defence is simply dumb. The puzzle at the entrance to the elven shrine was really annoying and I don't remember anything quite like that earlier in the game - it felt out of sync with the rest of the game, and broke the flow in a bad way even if it was absolutely optional. The last hour or so was a bit baffling - from normal fantasy to suddenly elves in test tubes, on to fighting a dragon who fires lasers in VR space is kind of jarring, and that last area especially is extremely under developed. It's a disappointing finish, though at least the final boss had the interesting twist of magic absorbing bits you had to deal with. Once they were gone though, he's a static target and doesn't do much but get crushed by meteors.


Maybe on to KF3 soon. I hear there's a prologue disc that was handed out at TGS so I'll try to play through that as well.
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 Post subject: Re: From Software 'n such
PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:55 am 


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Leandro wrote:
[I just stumbled on a random gameplay video of King's Field IV and I fell in love with the music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpsd4JmoEWI

What's the best King Field game to start with? The PS2 emulation is good nowadays?


KF4 is probably the game with the "easiest" casual appeal unless we count Shadow Tower Abyss as a part of that series too (we might as well lump KF1-4, ST1-2 and Eternal Ring together, right?). But personally I actually burned out on the series immediately trying to start out with it. It's notably slower than the already slow previous games in the series (in those games you actually move fast when running - in KF4 it's unbearable to not run), and the cumbersome control scheme might feel weird in a PS2 game you'd expect proper FPS style controls from.

As already stated, I think the best approach is to skip the original Jap-only release, and start with the western "King's Field" on PS1 (so the Japanese KF2). It's an incredibly amazing game in its own right, the overall map design is one of the best From has ever produced, rivaling Dark Souls 1.
Although it's obviously janky as fuck, there's a fantastic charm to that jank that I think makes it easier to accept. The game is running at 50% speed at best at any time you aren't staring into a wall in a room with no objects in it, but that's just how it is. The controls are weird, but by the time you've made headway into the game you'll be used to it - and poised to play KF4 without trying to change the button setup into some half-assed wannabe console FPS that doesn't really work.

KF3 (so that's the one called King's Field 2 anywhere outside Japan) is a little weird, as it pretty much drops everything that made KF2 great. If you want to experience it all, it's fun to play though, but you wouldn't miss out on a lot by skipping directly to KF4.
You may also want to play the first Shadow Tower game inbetween. It's a real fun little gem, as long as you aren't afraid to do a little manual cartography.


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 Post subject: Re: From Software 'n such
PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:58 am 


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CStarFlare wrote:
Can you get the red potions before needing to fight anything? You're not killing much with 30 MP. KF2 would be an interesting speedrun. I just finished it tonight. Glad I did, even if getting the Dark Slayer was a real pain in the ass.

IIRC there's very little you need to even fight in KF2?
I think the earliest one is the termite queen, and then I'm not sure there's a whole lot until the boss rush, and that golem thing in the ice cave or crystal cave or whatever it is.


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CStarFlare wrote:

Maybe on to KF3 soon. I hear there's a prologue disc that was handed out at TGS so I'll try to play through that as well.


KF3 is thematically on point throughout IIRC.
I suggest you go back and play KF1 first though! It makes the payoff of playing the end of the trilogy much sweeter!
1 still is a good little game, too. Revel in its primitiveness!
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As for KF4 - I think it's harder to get into actually. You can outmaneuver enemies so easily in the ps1 trilogy by comparison. Also - enemies seem to have poise in KF4, which is a game changer.
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I'd rather play Bob the Builder Can We Fix It on the PS1 than the likes of KF2, Shadow Tower etc... again.

I tried some again after finding this thread and it's really unpleasant. 10 FPS, the worst running games on the PS1. Shadow Tower is legitimately one of the worst games I've ever played. Not really interested in having a conversation on this either. Just a counter experience to people saying these games are amazing when they are an acquired taste. Maybe I'm just missing something here, Xenogears didn't click the first couple times I tried it and I love that game now.
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How far did you play in them though?

They are an acquired taste for sure, but I think if you can't acquire a taste for those two, you won't acquire one for KF4 either. And if you do "get it", the experience you get is worth it. :)


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Yeah I mean KF4 is rubbish too. I beat KF2 and 4. I just couldn't stomach it with ST not sure when I quit but at some point I was just like, why am I playing if I'm not having any fun?
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