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 Post subject: From Software 'n such
PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:57 pm 


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Am I doing it right?

In all seriousness though, after seeing those two topics, I've come to realize how many franchises die at a point and then keep getting brought back, either to milk the cash or as honest attempts at good sequels that fail to live up to the originals.

Some franchises just need to die.

How does this relate to dark souls, you ask? Well, its where the series is heading, all is well at the moment, but wait long enough and we'll start getting filler souls games, i guarantee it.
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 Post subject: Re: dark souls 4
PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:08 pm 


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Dark Souls 2 was filler souls. I didn't even bother finishing it.
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 Post subject: Re: dark souls 4
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Dark Souls 3 is the last Dark Souls game, but thank you for gracing us with this incredible thread.
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 Post subject: Re: dark souls 4
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Dark Souls 3 is the last Dark Souls game, but thank you for gracing us with this incredible thread.
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But above all, we are blessed to have such a supportive and loving community, and we are happy to dedicate this final episode to them!


Wasn't that what they said about 2
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 Post subject: Re: dark souls 4
PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:32 pm 


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Wasn't that what they said about ... captain ?

Anyway, money is money. Let them make soul games, play them if you like them.
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 Post subject: Re: dark souls 4
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Necronopticous wrote:
Dark Souls 3 is the last Dark Souls game, but thank you for gracing us with this incredible thread.
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Wasn't that what they said about 2


I don't remember them saying anything like that for 2.
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 Post subject: Re: dark souls 4
PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:15 pm 


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+1

Seriously though, there's a reason each game has had its own thread. Beyond the stupid arguments that have come up, all the entries have enough depth to merit multiple pages of discussion. The reason they haven't been merged into a giant souls thread is because they are also each unique enough that discussion in one may not relate to the next.

Honestly, the souls games are about the only non-indie modern title that still retains challenging single-player arcade-esque gameplay as its core mechanic. It is currently the only legitimate answer to how can the type of games we grew up with evolve for a new audience without giving up their 'soul' (hahahaha). Might as well revel in it before the series gets turned into complete dog shit like the silent hill franchise.
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What does define "indie", though? Isn't it just a fancy way of saying "small-time"?
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Let's just rename the threads "Exclusive club: No Captain allowed."

Cause I figure that's what this is really about.
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 Post subject: Re: dark souls 4
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Wat.

Also I could swear I read somewhere that DS2 was supposed to be the last one.
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 Post subject: Re: dark souls 4
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Would need a source on that.

Even if they did, they don't have much reason to milk it now that they have Bloodborne out. Might as well do sequels to that before people get bored of the medieval setting.

Also I agree with everything CMoon said. It's one of the only franchises out there that manages to get that arcade style sense of tension (thanks to the checkpoints, soul and humanity penalty for death, etc.) into a full length modern adventure game. Keep em coming, or at least keep making games with a similar structure.
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 Post subject: Re: dark souls 4
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First off, I can't believe they've already announced Dark Souls 4. The development is so fast! I heard they started working on this game secretly before starting Bloodborne, Dark Souls 2 and Shadow Tower 2. Miyazaki promised an expansion of the backstab system along with a massive increase in the number of pig and armored boar enemies. During an interview, Miyazaki said 'This is my favorite part of souls games!'

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What does define "indie", though? Isn't it just a fancy way of saying "small-time"?


It's a valid question. I actually meant 'big budget' and is in no way incompatible with the concept of AAA titles. When From made Demon's Souls I wouldn't have considered them in this league, but now that they are courting Namco/Bandai and Sony simultaneously, I think we can safely say they are one of the 'majors'.
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 Post subject: Re: dark souls 4
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 Post subject: Re: dark souls 4
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If they're going to try something entirely different with the next Souls games after Dark Souls 3 I'm really hoping they would take inspiration from the manga Blame!. I'd love to see a Souls game in that setting


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I heard Dark Souls 4 was in production before Demon's Souls.

Seriously though...Dark Souls 3 will KINDA be Dark Souls (or Demon's Souls) 4. In a way. Sorta. :wink:
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Necronopticous wrote:
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it may well be the last dark souls game, but according to lobos/vaati at e3 miyazaki said it won't be the last souls game, and that they were thinking about having very different settings in future games. I'm definitely up for some sci-fi souls. but am also very weary of burnout if they keep putting out a game a year.

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If they're going to try something entirely different with the next Souls games after Dark Souls 3 I'm really hoping they would take inspiration from the manga Blame!. I'd love to see a Souls game in that setting


Oh hell yes. Merciless cyber labyrinth diving sounds good.
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 Post subject: Re: dark souls 4
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too much of a good thing is still too much.

Understandable sentiment, but I don't think there's ever been a successful game series that really dodged old age, unless you count Nintendo franchises (and there it's arguable; there's a lot of filler in there). I'm OK with them rushing to capitalize on a concept before it's old hat and done to death by everybody. I mean, will this type of gameplay even be marketable in 10 years? Hard to say with all the changes.


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Dark Souls II, to a lot of people, was the "too much of a good thing". But it wasn't so good.

So, it can only go up from there. :lol:

I expect it to be much better than 2, just due to Bloodborne's quality (it has it's problems though too). I'm hoping they can get it ALL TOGETHER, like on Demon's and Dark 1, where nothing's too short, or streamlined...nor is the level design poor and doesn't feel connected properly.

I'm hopeful.
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I'd like to see a Megaman title made in the souls style.. Yes, I mean 3D too. The future would be absolutely fucked and rusted and malfunctioning, everything falling apart.

I'd go on but I'll probably be whipped through the streets already.
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I'd like to see a Megaman title made in the souls style.. Yes, I mean 3D too. The future would be absolutely fucked and rusted and malfunctioning, everything falling apart.


So Miyazaki said DS3 was going to be a turning point for the series and to consider that From had done games about science fiction before and ninjas, so there could be other souls games that were not part of a fantasy setting. Ladies and gentleman, I bring you, Megaman Souls!

(Actually it is a funny statement because Bloodborne is already VictorianLovecraftSouls, so it isn't like adapting this format to other settings or even popular franchises would be hard.)
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I'd like to see a Souls game on a derelict space station. Kind of like Dead Space, but less linear and with better combat.
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Dark Souls is the modern Megaman.
Which is good. I have no problems or worries regarding new dark souls games, seeing how the scoring for the games in my opinion is: newer = better.
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Wasn't there supposed to be an edgy modern megaman game?

An FPS if i recall correctly, but with the series being Megaman X, I think it would have been very interesting.
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Yeah, EKSU woulda gone mad with unfathomable powwa, leaving his comrade ZERO to regretfully fulfill an old promise. ;-;

KINDA LIKE THE X SERIES SHOULDA DONE ANYWAY ROFL "Oh hi I'm not actually dead, let's go for a bite at [trendy coffee bar] before college!"
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Cagar wrote:
Dark Souls is the modern Megaman.


It's better than Mega Man IMO.

It actually punishes you a bit when you die, so you get real arcade-like tension. It also manages to be fun on repeat playthroughs, something Mega Man has always struggled with and rarely achieved.
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Yeah, EKSU woulda gone mad with unfathomable powwa, leaving his comrade ZERO to regretfully fulfill an old promise. ;-;

KINDA LIKE THE X SERIES SHOULDA DONE ANYWAY ROFL "Oh hi I'm not actually dead, let's go for a bite at [trendy coffee bar] before college!"


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Man, I'm so happy Capcom forced the whole "Copy X" idea, instead of letting Keiji turn X himself into Robo-Hitler-McEdgelord, like he wanted to.

Talk about stupid as shit.

*edit* missed BIL's post. Evil X would have been okay if it had come after 2-3 games, but after 8 games of purity...
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I KNEW WHAT THAT LINK WAS BEFORE CLICKING (・`W´・) and yeah it's not really the same thing as actual character development, but at least it's some sort of progress from the X series' maddeningly static, reiterative plot. Zero 1-4 plot beats the usual "HE DIED, BUT THEN, HE COME BACK AGAIN AND THEY SCURRED" merry go-round.

Not that I'd care, but these games are chock-full of dialogue to mash through.

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*edit* missed BIL's post. Evil X would have been okay if it had come after 2-3 games, but after 8 games of purity...


Agreed, by the point RMZ appeared that ship had sailed. Or never left port, I suppose.
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