Rare Taito game found

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Shou wrote:I've preserved it
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By the way out of curiosity; does Vertexer use analogue controls ?
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Xyga wrote:
Shou wrote:I've preserved it
8)

By the way out of curiosity; does Vertexer use analogue controls ?
Yes, it also an extra board to communicate with the Idya cab to induce vomiting.
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years pass, the end of the world still approaching, and still no Vertexer around :| . only 3 people in the internet have mentioned this game in the past years since this thread.
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Aaaaaaaaany day now.

(Bumping these threads begging for a release is kindof lame.)
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name it lamer... if no one talks about things, they vanish in spirit too... i remember a specific Sega arcade 70's game, they never preserved the roms. it was "Worms" game principle decades ago..

-did you figure that Shou refused to help a Vertexer owner with bad roms ?..
https://www.arcade-projects.com/threads ... ost-306763

-and why if Beep friends are for funding preservation of games... didnt they dump the Vertexer pcb they sold on YJA ?

there are curious things...
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caincan wrote: -did you figure that Shou refused to help a Vertexer owner with bad roms ?..
https://www.arcade-projects.com/threads ... ost-306763
Nice one side. Knowing the attitudes in the ROM dumping world (and that's not anything new) there's at least one more.
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"I wantz ma freez shitz and I wantz itz rightz nowz!!!!!" :mrgreen:

Games can be privately dumped and stored away safely without handing them over to you for the freez downloadz. :-)

Don't care what your personal convenient view of preservation is, by the way. By definition, if it's stored away in a secure place, it's plenty preserved. Yes, I agree in principle. Getting them preserved is important. Don't give a shit if they're available for the freez doenloadz, though. Rather or not it's going to be available is up to the people that own copies and/or the people that own the IP.

I also roll laughing at the pearl clutching from community hardware and emu devs. They love to piss and moan about their IP rights. Hypocrisy! Almost every emu platform refuses to use original media. By definition, almost every emu is designed for piracy. The games are the point, by the way. The games are the entire reason! Nobody loves the hardware. They don't love the emulation. Emulators aren't released solely for people to make demos or run tests for accuracy. They exist to run romz.

People love the damn games. Not just the games: the **free** games they download. (For.. umm... preservation. Yeah!) It's for preservation and history and steal mah free shit! :-)

Yeah. Indeed. Let's preserve it. Will you get a copy right away? Maybe not. If it's preserved, something will probably eventually happen.
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What's your definition of preserved? PCB crammed in a Walmart $40 fire safe in some dood's basement, or actually archived online and/or 3-2-1 backed up?
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drauch wrote:What's your definition of preserved? PCB crammed in a Walmart $40 fire safe in some dood's basement, or actually archived online and/or 3-2-1 backed up?
You're not arguing honestly. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Your list of "options" for preservation is either painfully naive or cynically calculated disingenuous nonsense.
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orange808 wrote:Your list of "options" for preservation is either painfully naive or cynically calculated disingenuous nonsense.
Unnecessarily abrasive as usual I see. What Drauch's said is no different than that you've argued though:
Don't care what your personal convenient view of preservation is, by the way. By definition, if it's stored away in a secure place, it's plenty preserved.
Software that is "stored away in a secure place" as in inaccessible within a private collector's hands is not "preserved" in any sensible definition of the term. I'm assuming a "secure place" means undumped in a private collector's hands in this case, since you've failed to define what you consider a "secure place".

If that "secure place" catches fire or gets bombed to hell and the physical media is lost, that renders it pretty useless. Case in point.

True preservation is only achieved when multiple archives exist so that the loss of one does not cause the software to be lost forever, and that requires dumping the software. With respect to Vertexer it's possible it might've already happened and is waiting to be publicly released, similar to what the case was with SDOJ.
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orange808 wrote:You're not arguing honestly.
Is this one of those "Suffer like G did" things?

I ain't arguing. I'm just stirring up some conversation and then immediately ran through the orange808 gauntlet!

What's a "secure place" for r4r3 games?

*Edit, Roo basically asking the same thing while I was typing, but I'll keep it since I was shit on for trying to enjoy conversation :cry: :cry: :cry:
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sorry, I didn't mean to steal your thunder ;w;

But yes, you can't just say "oh a physical copy in a secure place is preservation" without defining what you consider a "secure place". That's way too vague/ambiguous. A specialized museum for instance is very different than say a safe in some dude's basement (but is still less "preserved" than a dumped copy of the software with multiple separate archives).
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Know what's abrasive? Suggesting that everyone else is stupid. Yes, things can happen.

Privately held roms are stored by multiple parties. There is redundancy. Most also observe some standards for backing up data. Suggesting it's just one guy in a basement with one hard drive is the very definition of dismissive, disingenuous, and snarky.

I've also known a few people to lie and say "my hard drive died" to get people to shut up. A promise is a promise. You can't have a fucking copy!

To get emulation running, roms have to be shared with emu devs. We all know there's redundancy. It's plenty preserved.

Why? Why do you frame the argument this way when you know better?

Because, you want free shit. That's why you gang up and agree to pretend we live in an alternative universe--with convenient invented circumstances to back your "preservation" argument for free downloads.

A secure place is backed up and emulated in the hands of trusted people. Rather or not that's a freebie download makes no difference. Sometimes, it won't be immediately available. Get over it.

"Games can be privately dumped and stored away safely without handing them over to you for the freez downloadz" That's from my post and I didn't have any edits. :-) So, I would argue it's "abrasive" to put words in my mouth. I never suggested letting boards sit untouched and rotting in a collection. So, you put words in my mouth. :-) Abrasive indeed.
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orange808 wrote:I never suggested letting boards sit untouched and rotting in a collection. So, you put words in my mouth.
You can't type up an angry rant without making vague statements and somehow this is my fault that I'm left to try and decipher your exact meaning? Okay then. :roll:
Privately held roms are stored by multiple parties. There is redundancy. Most also observe some standards for backing up data. Suggesting it's just one guy in a basement with one hard drive is the very definition of dismissive, disingenuous, and snarky.

a secure place
For the record, "a secure place" implies a singular place, and now you've changed your definition to a plural one. But by all means, feel free to keep blaming me for your communication skills or lack thereof.
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BareKnuckleRoo wrote:
orange808 wrote:I never suggested letting boards sit untouched and rotting in a collection. So, you put words in my mouth.
You can't type up an angry rant without making vague statements and somehow this is my fault that I'm left to try and decipher your exact meaning? Okay then. :roll:
It's wasn't really that vague. You don't write books filled with qualifiers and details, either. The arguments were specifically and dishonesty crafted to make anything and everything that isn't a free download look bad.
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BareKnuckleRoo wrote:
orange808 wrote:I never suggested letting boards sit untouched and rotting in a collection. So, you put words in my mouth.
You can't type up an angry rant without making vague statements and somehow this is my fault that I'm left to try and decipher your exact meaning? Okay then. :roll:
Privately held roms are stored by multiple parties. There is redundancy. Most also observe some standards for backing up data. Suggesting it's just one guy in a basement with one hard drive is the very definition of dismissive, disingenuous, and snarky.

a secure place
For the record, "a secure place" implies a singular place, and now you've changed your definition to a plural one. But by all means, feel free to keep blaming me for your communication skills or lack thereof.
Bullshit. You're tryjng to exploit little grammar things to cover up what you guys did.
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orange808 wrote:Bullshit. You're tryjng to exploit little grammar things to cover up what you guys did.
Ah yes, the expectation of coherent, literate sentences. Truly it's all a nefarious plot against your character. You've gone and caught me red-handed.
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orange808 wrote:Bullshit. You're tryjng to exploit little grammar things to cover up what you guys did.
LOL. Such an accusation!
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Anyways, back on the subject of neat racing games that are part of gaming history it'd be fun to be able and experience and play, there's someone called Miso / Twinker Telling who's apparently been working on a fanmade version of Power Drift called "Tiny Power Drift". No public release as of yet, but it'd be really neat to see this come out (y'know, before the cease and desists kill it, heh):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuv570wnrC0
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BareKnuckleRoo wrote:
orange808 wrote:Bullshit. You're tryjng to exploit little grammar things to cover up what you guys did.
Ah yes, the expectation of coherent, literate sentences. Truly it's all a nefarious plot against your character. You've gone and caught me red-handed.
Doesn't make free downloads the answer. :-)

Also, interesting how we have to hunt down shareware. That was a free download. The magic trick didn't fix it all better? Jeepers!
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Why are you so angry at the emulation of games? Is emulating something that is essentially irrelevant from a commercial standpoint but nevertheless an important part of videogame history really that much of an affront to the senses? Is it that wrong to want to share something that other people wouldn't be able to experience otherwise? This is particularly true for games where the original developer's gone out of business and there's no other way to play their stuff other than a rare original release. Harmful Park for PS1 is a good example.

Emulation's also kind of worthless unless it's widely available to play; that's really the only way you get accurate emulation, by having people play and use your emulator.

Your emulation hostile posting style makes you sound like a Nintendo executive or something. :lol:
Also, interesting how we have to hunt down shareware. That was a free download. The magic trick didn't fix it all better? Jeepers!
I don't understand what you're trying to say, but preserving old PC shareware games takes just as much time and effort as emulated console games, and is just as worthy a cause.
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BareKnuckleRoo wrote:Why are you so angry at the emulation of games?
Unnecessarily abrasive to put words in my mouth. :-) You just did. You ignored everything I said and invented a fake story.
BareKnuckleRoo wrote: Is emulating something that is essentially irrelevant from a commercial standpoint but nevertheless an important part of videogame history really that much of an affront to the senses?
What is or isn't relevant is not your decision or your business.
BareKnuckleRoo wrote: Is it that wrong to want to share something that other people wouldn't be able to experience otherwise?

Without permission? It is wrong. I'm sorry that can be complicated. The world is an imperfect place. Sorry. :-)

BareKnuckleRoo wrote: Emulation's also kind of worthless unless it's widely available to play;
Says you. Because, you want free shit. :-)
BareKnuckleRoo wrote: that's really the only way you get accurate emulation, by having people play and use your emulator.
Once again, says you. The biggest hurdle to development is time, because it's a hobby. The community "play testing" isn't all that valuable. Often, emu devs know there are problems and it's not a priority.
BareKnuckleRoo wrote: Your emulation hostile posting style makes you sound like a Nintendo executive or something. :lol:
There's the overly abrasive smear job I was waiting for. Further proof that you're not arguing honestly. :-)
Also, interesting how we have to hunt down shareware. That was a free download. The magic trick didn't fix it all better? Jeepers!
BareKnuckleRoo wrote: I don't understand what you're trying to say, but preserving old PC shareware games takes just as much time and effort as emulated console games, and is just as worthy a cause.
LMAO! Let me explain? Think playing dumb and making me work will stop the facts? It won't. I can articulate.

Shareware was a free download. Yet, it went obscure. You pretended to not understand on purpose, because that hurts your argument for free downloads. :-)

I didn't say it wasn't difficult. Once again, putting words in my mouth...
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Since half of your responses consist of you projecting your faults onto others, and the other half are written in the tone of you frothing at the mouth with undeserved self-righteousness, I think I'm done here.

edit: reminder to my future self to take this and other cautionary examples as warning of why not to engage
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BareKnuckleRoo wrote:Since half of your responses consist of you projecting your faults onto others, and the other half are written in the tone of you frothing at the mouth with undeserved self-righteousness, I think I'm done here.
Since your responses consist of painting me up as an "emulation hater" when I openly campaign for using it to sometimes privately preserve games, you aren't willing to argue honestly.

So, maybe it is best if you do stop.
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So, maybe it is best if you do stop.
Show 'em how it's done and STFU already.
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Damn, i thought the rom was made available after seeing this thread being bumped so hard. but no :(
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I just heard about this games yesterday. Amazing.

Have there been or is there any possibility of a higher quality video capture from somebody with one of the few boards?

I don't mind that it's not yet emulated.
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orange808 wrote:
BareKnuckleRoo wrote:Since half of your responses consist of you projecting your faults onto others, and the other half are written in the tone of you frothing at the mouth with undeserved self-righteousness, I think I'm done here.
Since your responses consist of painting me up as an "emulation hater" when I openly campaign for using it to sometimes privately preserve games, you aren't willing to argue honestly.

So, maybe it is best if you do stop.
Why 'privately preserve'? What harm would it do for others to be able to play this incredibly obtuse title that, in all likelihood, will never, ever see the light of day commercially. I'm puzzled by this stance.
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