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 Post subject: Re: Recommended Anime/Manga?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:43 pm 


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That's why I don't like a ton of newer stuff, it's assembly line money making stuff. Obviously that's always existed but I think it existed a lot less when anime was starting out, there were a ton of cool passion projects that sold like shit. I will watch Angel's Egg for the nth time over some self insert show.


yeah. a lot of new stuff is fettering and commodifying expression because we're in late capitalist society. it is harder and harder to have true expression within the confines of cultural media and most auteurs that are still pushing the label often lie when giving their pitches or are "notoriously hard to work with" because they won't compromise so easily and dilute their vision. it's why i'm able to garner respect for someone like yoko taro (i realize i'm dipping into games, but they're arguably more rotten an industry than anime, so it's a solid parallel) when he's a fucking moron - he's like, saying something. he's got a vision. his vision may be self-inserting himself as a boy who is desperate to get his balls crushed by a Sexy Robot Maid, but for fuck's sake it's at least an idea he's doing something with.

if you like angel's egg, you're probably already doing/have done this, but make sure you check other oshii shit. that guy is on top of his game almost always. i love his antagonistic friendship with miyazaki and how miyazaki is like this angrily buzzing little fly, to him lol. you might also want to check out works chiaki konaka has written - both have a relationship to christianity that has informed their works in deeply interesting ways. they've also both got hella chiseled philosophies, they're smart dudes! i'm a bit more a konaka fan than an oshii fan, he sometimes strikes me as a woman that never transitioned, and that yoshitoshi abe chose to depict a character named after him & based on him in neia_7 as a woman (as well as how his pals occasionally tease him but seem to have strong relationships with him in interviews) kinda gives me the impression his friends think similarly of him lol. he also writes a very strange amount of lesbians and is no fuckin doubt projecting himself into their shoes from time to time. sorry, yuasa, i dig you too! 0_0 but devilman lady > devilman crybaby.


Yeah I don't like Nier but I can respect the vision.

I have seen almost everything from Oshii as you would have probably guessed. I would put Patlabor 2 and GitS in that same tier as Angel's Egg. Gotta say I didn't really care for Lain or Tehxnolyze. What are some other things Konaka is fully responsible for, essentially?

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I think the pacing's a part of the appeal, at least for me it is. I've watched through the whole original series (+ Gaiden + movies) twice and I'm sure to do it again. The pacing is slow but it's meaningful, it never feels like there's a filler episode and I can easily watch 2-3 eps in a row. Each episode either moves the overall plot along or gives insight into a character or to the history of the world of LOGH. One of my favorite episodes is one where the characters do nothing but talk, about the original diaspora from Earth, the rise and fall of the early space-faring empires, the rise of Rudolph and the Galactic Empire, the exodus that ends up forming the Free Planets Alliance.

I came for the pew-pew space combat but I stayed for the characters and world-building.

I've actually been watching Maison Ikkoku since July and I can only stomach a few episodes each week because, other than a few small exceptions, nothing of worth ever happens and the characters barely ever change. They don't have arcs, they have a flat line. Of course LOGH and Maison Ikkoku are wildly different shows, I just mention it because Ikkoku has the type of pacing that's almost painful to me.


Yeah like, it's great, it's an absolute favorite of mine but I wanted to mention it. When I first went to watch it, my main reason is because I knew the world was so richly done. There is a ton of deep space scifi anime out there but there is a reason I love LOGH, Zeta and the original Macross so much. My original watch of it was fan subs that were clearly from VHS rips. That was a looong time ago now.
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 Post subject: Re: Recommended Anime/Manga?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:49 pm 


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I have seen almost everything from Oshii as you would have probably guessed. I would put Patlabor 2 and GitS in that same tier as Angel's Egg. Gotta say I didn't really care for Lain or Tehxnolyze. What are some other things Konaka is fully responsible for, essentially?


texhnolyze is a bit dour, even for him, but i'm surprised you also disliked lain, which i would rep as one of his better works. the big o, digimon: tamers (s3, which exists in a unique continuity), devilman lady - all favorites.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:09 pm 


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I feel like reiterating that the profit motive has been terrible for the Japanese webnovel scene. They have these shallow templates and hardly ever explore what you can do with it, and lord are they terrified of making a main character who's an asshole. (Despite some of the most successful franchises having characters that are not cookie cutter emotionless robots. Maybe there's some kind of extra pressure there to conform to some ideal box they think society wants them to fit into - no one else on the planet seems to do this as much.)

One of my white whales is finding the worst isekai you can make. There have been wonderful examples of that, with various stuff that ranges from revenge fantasies against the school bullies who were mean to the writer, to sexual preferences that are far, far more problematic than sexy spider women (who aren't problematic at all, they're beautiful don't be racist).

Through all the dross, the most dire example I have so far is this one where the main character gets told all about stuff ahead of time, like his friend is a walking wikipedia. Just no discovery or adventure at all, you get told what they're going to do to the smallest detail and then they do it so you get to live through everything twice. It's like it's made for someone with a neurotic condition where they'll literally die if they got startled, that's the only person I can imagine it would be for.

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it's why i'm able to garner respect for someone like yoko taro (i realize i'm dipping into games, but they're arguably more rotten an industry than anime, so it's a solid parallel) when he's a fucking moron - he's like, saying something. he's got a vision. his vision may be self-inserting himself as a boy who is desperate to get his balls crushed by a Sexy Robot Maid, but for fuck's sake it's at least an idea he's doing something with.


It's kind of nice when an indie studio gets some mainstream success, like the King's Field -> Dark Souls pipeline, or DMA Designs striking oil with Grand Theft Auto 3.

Nobody ever talks about Drag-on Dragoon, aka Drakengard. But I love how it's this crapsack world where everyone is terrible and the world itself is so shitty that it's always half an hour away from some kind of stupid completely arbitrary and meaningless apocalypse. As a simulant living through one of these kind of dumb acpocalypses, I can empathize.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:51 pm 


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Drakengard, to me, was much more enjoyable than Nier. I haven't played it in a long time though.
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I have Angel's Egg in my big box of animu VHS, I need to watch that (don't know why I haven't watched it yet).

maybe I'll take a pic of everything that's in there and ask you guys what's a must-watch in there.
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I have Angel's Egg in my big box of animu VHS, I need to watch that (don't know why I haven't watched it yet).

maybe I'll take a pic of everything that's in there and ask you guys what's a must-watch in there.


I'd certainly throw my .02 in. Are they Japanese tapes or was Angel's Egg actually released here?
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Angel's Egg was a prized Laser Disc (and then DVD) for ages, selling for way higher than it's retail price. Very few back in the day did that. Robot Carnival (which is on Prime ATM btw) is the only other one I can think of off the top of my head.

Anyway, it's dope -- check it out.
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I did a quick YJ search and apparently nobody cares about the LD anymore. This auction will probably not go too high. Oddly enough though, I had never heard of Dallos (which is in aforementioned auction) before but watched episode 1 of it last weekend with a hangover. Good 80s fun. Nothing amazing. Exactly what I needed. Will finish it at some point I'm sure.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:16 pm 


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I'd certainly throw my .02 in. Are they Japanese tapes or was Angel's Egg actually released here?

all NA tapes

Hmmm maybe I'm misremembering that with the memory of seeing Angel's Egg on a previrw of one of those tapes then. I'll post pics of the bunch, curious to have your input

and thanks Gaijin for the infos on Angel's Egg releases
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:03 pm 


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I did a quick YJ search and apparently nobody cares about the LD anymore. This auction will probably not go too high. Oddly enough though, I had never heard of Dallos (which is in aforementioned auction) before but watched episode 1 of it last weekend with a hangover. Good 80s fun. Nothing amazing. Exactly what I needed. Will finish it at some point I'm sure.


Yeah no one cares too much anymore because there is a blu ray. I paid like $15 before shipping for mine. I love that LD as well as the GitS one. I have GitS on 4K too, but I'll still watch the LD, it's amazing.
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One of my white whales is finding the worst isekai you can make. There have been wonderful examples of that, with various stuff that ranges from revenge fantasies against the school bullies who were mean to the writer, to sexual preferences that are far, far more problematic than sexy spider women (who aren't problematic at all, they're beautiful don't be racist).


time to yammer!!! probably mostly to the choir, i hope lol

japan's creative community (not to be confused with "japan as a society") is a lot more open about *my gums begin to flap at an incredible speed, threatening to tear from my face* appreciating sexuality they aren't necessarily attracted to and getting outside of their wheelhouse with indulging in others' elaborate fantasies. nearly my entire twitter experience for the last like 3 years has just been retweeting kemono artists i am particularly interested in or appreciate, and you see artists who do near-exclusively "wholesome" and broad appeal art, like this person, occasionally fav some shota cock that winds up on your timeline. one time, i saw hitoshi ariga, who has done rockman mega mix, the klonoa manga, designed several pokemon (and done a lot of art for the card game) - you know, someone who in america would have a lot to lose by flying any degree of freak flag and getting cancelled - retweet semi's art, who is someone that popularly draws explicit lolita bestiality at a high frequency (click their media tab and scroll down lol). what was he retweeting? the manga that semi recently got published (in english, even!!) of the girl they often draw fucking a unicorn.

they don't fucking care. they're able to divorce art from reality and enjoy weird shit. made in abyss is wildly popular over there, and that's a manga where a living toilet eats a 10yo's shit out of her asshole, among other things. people are weird! let them be weird, let them be uncomfortably weird, and seek things out that make you uncomfortable. hell, become weird, yourself! life is wild and you might as well experience it. many of our greatest thinkers were deeply traumatized people, imagine the art that would be produced by them without social restraint, or how many hidden among us would be creating more expressive art without the constant restrictions placed by society on expression. ari aster, who definitely openly enjoys evil, is seen as a great new auteur of the horror movie because he doesn't put tremendous restrictions on it - "horror" being one of the only modern genres where people can just get away with being wild.

the west is so sexually oppressed but so open about horrific violence... it blows my mind we don't let people get away with expressing any form of desire in their art but will take our children to see superheroes justify war crimes, surveillance, and torture. our culture that is unable to divorce fantasy from reality is unsurprisingly making art that uncomfortably reflects only what our putrid values deem acceptable. artists being corralled into only being able to make propaganda as expression is why shit like steven universe, ostensibly a pusher of social labels, is rife with ugly, dogmatic preaching and is appreciated or criticized similarly by its fans for the purity of its values. you have to let shit that you don't like exist, possibly even flourish, or society won't, and then nothing ever changes. you're left in reactionary cultural stasis (america).

i'm so fucking... sick and tired that the most vocal free expression brigade is often the "anime right," who largely just care that their dogshit senran kagura games keep getting published and they can keep importing titty statues. no greater or more true depravity than pretending to champion expression and only taking it so far as your own interests - stick up for the real weirdos, out there. was delighted when i gave nurse love addiction a spin - a game i bought as ironic indulgence to troll luna, as holy shit that game is as embarrassing to own as you'd imagine from the name - and actually ended up enjoying it. game gets hella weird! one of the paths has an ending where you suck vomit out of your sister's mouth after she spends the entire game gaslighting and manipulating you as an expression of true love, and then go on to date her. if you fail that, she becomes your bdsm slave who can only have her guilt for how she treated you alleviated by affectionately torturing her. that's weird, that's interesting. that's the shit i wanted, but i'd have never thought the game would have the spine to do.

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nobody here, maybe, but i've heard about it plenty in spaces i've spent a bit of time on on discord, irc, etc. it seems like a gat dang mess 0__0; but it's at least an absurd one. wouldn't ever play the thing but i can't say i've not been amused to know it exists.
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TFW ur internet has been too shite to load manga for the last two months and u habe many chapters 2 catch up on :3 :3 :3

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Hanasakeru Seishounen

I'll see how I feel by the end but so far it's been absolutely bananas. Feels like an actual hidden gem, I probably wouldn't have heard of it if Discotek didn't bring it over. Plus who knows if there were even fan subs out there for all the episodes.
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Finished Cobra. The last arc took it up from a 7 to an 8 for me. Overall enjoyable.

Watching the KoR OAVs then movie, almost done with the OAVs which are basically just additional episodes of whacky 80s fun.
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surprised to find myself enjoying the dorohedero anime as much as i am. the fugly 3d doesn't stop being disappointing, but i hadn't expected q hayashida to create compelling characters, just a stunning high concept world. being nihei's understudy made me think she'd suck at characters as much as he does, but not at all true! the manga is probably a delight, feels like it probably benefits a lot from that format and certain panels being allowed to linger in one's gaze as long as they need to before moving to the next. really digging the constant obscene chaos and the characters' drives to just work through it with a smile, anyway. caiman's relentless earnesty feels so easy to jive with and i just love nikaido, as well. came for the crazy, stayed for the friendship!

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also watched sion sono's tokyo vampire hotel, recently. live action, but with an animated opening sure to pique the interest of anyone who loves castlevania and other vampire related shenanigans! seriously, check it. the show is a delightfully chaotic satire of and homage to the deranged nature of serialized television. picks up and abandons characters and plot threads so quickly that you get the gaslighting experience of half-remembering a ten year old character arc in a soap opera that contradicts what's currently going on in just the span of its 10 episodes numerous times over. hell of a thing to watch, highly recommend it.
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Powering through fugly 3D or obviously CG animation is why newer stuff has to be really strong from a writing perspective for me, or just really funny. I enjoyed Konosuba well enough but god damn did the visuals hurt, just awful looking.
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man :S i seriously fell in love with dorohedoro by the end of it. i mean really in love! it's great and the characters are beyond delightful with a voice cast to really elevate them even further. i want to read the manga, but i'm notoriously hard to get to read *anything*. praying this gets a second season. everyone go watch it! give netflix those fucking metrics!
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Kengan Omega: sequel to the excellent competitive fighting shonen Kengan Ashura. Expectations at zero for this one, not for lack of faith in the three-man team - good VG-literate lads - moreso how neatly Ashura wrapped up. But when I get burnt by a shit sequel, guillotining it out of headcanon is as easy as breathin'. Image

Neat bifurcated narrative. Story A concerns some kid with Ashura protagonist Ohma's face and talent, though seemingly not his bloodlust. Ok, cool, I played KOF '99 too. More of interest is Story B, the tale of a Bred working his ass off to become a Shiva. At some point in Ohma's nightly Final Fight LARPs, he didn't punch one guy in the windpipe quite hard enough, leaving him with delusions of vengeance.

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^ good advice, do like Willy, next time b STRAPPED

This poor prick! Bred tracks Ohma to the smouldering crater of the last manga, befriends a handful of Ashura favourites, and trains hard, unlearning his petty zako ways, only to unwittingly unlock Story A, which physically and psychologically ruins his shit worse than Ohma's backstreet tune-up ever did. And then I stopped reading, because I like a nice fat buffer of volumes.

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^ GTFO while you still can Bred, this dead-eyed fuck is a textbook Zero 3 Cody!

I hope Bred survive, he's not a bad kid, just a stupid one! 3; I just had a terrible thought, what if he KILL HE SELF :shock: Nah he'll be ok, everybody takes a beating sometimes. Image I like the bridging of Professional Protagonist and Angry Zako worlds via indomitable Bred. As with Ashura, it's genre-knowing but never smarmy, playing its gruelling trials and rivalries fastidiously straight.

Recommended for KA fans, but not newcomers. Absent the original manga's hard-won camaraderie, neither scenario offers much beyond agreeable boilerplate shonen. The original is great fun, don't be fooled by the initially grimdark outlook and snuff film beatdowns. Classic Ashita no Joe fire and heart, with some rivetingly hard-fought contests.

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I watched Tokyo Ghoul for the first time and actually enjoyed it more than I thought I would, im currently watching Guilty crown but its not as good
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