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 Post subject: Re: Ninja Gaiden [NES] + Scrolling Action Monogatari
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:03 pm 


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I was playing both games back to back for awhile. I got used to the expanded perspective, but I didn't find it to be an improvement. It's much easier to cover the screen in the original. I missed being able to see extra moves of one of the bosses in hard mode due to the alternate levels in the remake.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:41 am 


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i've talked about it in another thread that i'm too lazy to link to, but i think the 16:9 perspective change hurt and really adversely affected the design of the game. the strafing desperado sub-boss that frequently appears, in particular, becomes dramatically more annoying to fight because of how hard it is to readjust to one side or the other when fire is pushing you in the opposite direction.

the remake is quite solid and a worthy companion (something i want to stress i don't say lightly and rarely give a pass on modern-retro stuff for), but i definitely prefer the original.
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 Post subject: Re: Ninja Gaiden [NES] + Scrolling Action Monogatari
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:15 am 


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Although I can't help wondering if it'll end up like Wild Guns, where everybody seemed to prefer the original anyways.


Glad I'm not everybody... vastly prefer the updated version. I had no issues with the 16×9 view.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:59 pm 


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Some playthroughs of Ninja Warriors Once Again showed up on Youtube. Spoilers below I guess?









The only new enemy I see so far is a flying drone. Stage 7 boss seems a little more aggressive with slightly altered attacks. The final boss may have a new attack as well. Aside from the new characters and redrawn art I was hoping for some additional content. I guess we'll wait and see if there is post game or hard mode content added.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:58 pm 


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There isn't new content on hard. There's a lot of rebalancing done, though - Kamaitachi looks less overpowering at a glance, the stage 3 and 6 bosses have enemy backup on hard, and items have been moved around (there's healing right before the stage 6 boss now).
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:27 am 


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Ahhh damnit I had tricked myself into thinking Ninja Warriors would be released in the West today due to a lot of lazy googling and seeing July 25 as the 'worldwide' release date. Sounds like the actual date is August 30? Kicking myself for not just picking up the Asia version...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:04 am 


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Enjoying TNWOA a lot. Both the new characters are super fun to use and very different. Strong too but they have a heavier learning curve.

Anyone found a decent way to fight the last boss with Raiden? I can 1cc up to that point on hard but the boss is like 100x harder than everything else and wildly inconsistent. Since raiden is so big/slow the lasers and hyper armor chip damage stack up and you can slowly die when he goes into 2nd phase with constant lasers.
edit: blocking a lot seems like the way to go maybe, the lasers can clear things for you & try to get damage from easier enemies whenever you can.


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I think he said he got busy and was taking a break from the forums before he left


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3rd The Ninja Warriors Once Again trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bkzwGErK4k
Goes through each character and shows some advanced techniques.

This one is the real deal, goddamn. Couldn't hype the game up much more than that..


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School's out and so is TNWAA. JUST AS PLANNED. R2RKMF (that's "Run To The Right Killing Motherfuckers") Part IV be all over, prepare for next stage. Image

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Also, holy cow, you guys have kept the flag flying admirably. :o Been enjoying catching up over the weekend. :smile: Superb work on the thread index, Skye! Will be adding a bit more to it over the summer.

Pardon if it's a daft question, but is The Ninja Warriors Once Again (NTSCJ Switch) not out on physical, just yet? I'd just get the AZN VER, but I'd like to go with the oldschool JP title+logo if possible. Goes with the SFC and MCD ones, y'know? ALSO, bad memories of me nan bringing "Hero Turtles" y-fronts on visits from Britlandshire. Felt so wrong. :shock: I'll just get the Saviors version for now if it's gonna be weeks or something. I gotta get on this. Image

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Enjoying TNWOA a lot. Both the new characters are super fun to use and very different. Strong too but they have a heavier learning curve.

Anyone found a decent way to fight the last boss with Raiden? I can 1cc up to that point on hard but the boss is like 100x harder than everything else and wildly inconsistent. Since raiden is so big/slow the lasers and hyper armor chip damage stack up and you can slowly die when he goes into 2nd phase with constant lasers.
edit: blocking a lot seems like the way to go maybe, the lasers can clear things for you & try to get damage from easier enemies whenever you can.


I've only watched earlier bits, but great job on the 1CC uploads! Good to see authoritative play from the outset. Didn't want to spoil myself too much, but just seeing the onslaught of enemies at st2's previously sleepy train ride fired me up. Image Also thank god st3 boss has some crowd backup now, that's the one and only cold spot on SFC.

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Might be an idea... master BLOODF is a gracious host, but if the Dick Squad is finally driven from these shores for political concerns, we will soon be in the market for a Dick House. Image

Incidentally, MD Strider got censored on Virtual Console so now its iconic st1 mosques look like circumcised dicks! :O Overly paranoid regional sensibilities ain't shit but a bunch of dicks!

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Kunoichi's new advancing head slicer looks so goddamn useful too! :O
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Part of me expects this considering Wild Guns and Ninja Warriors Again, Again! But nothing is ever assured.

I can dream of a deluxe pack that has both Kiki KaiKai SFC games... Even if the sequel is not as accomplished, that's not a good enough reason for exclusion.
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Really going out on a limb, I can just imagine a new Elevator Action from these guys... Image The small-scale *WHAPs* and the cataclysmic multistory demolitions ala EAR st1. Image TNWAA is pretty much my "can die happy now" release - never has a game quite so materialised out of my fondest dreams - but Natsume helming a new Taito arcade action revival (RASTAN SAGA Image) would bring me back from the grave!

Hell I'd be happy if they did Dino Rex or Space Gun or something. Just wanna see these guys flex those Herculean, decades-honed chops. :mrgreen:
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Yeah maybe it's time for these guys to make a NEW game. There's no reason they couldn't.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA_KSYOQ9TU

steel assault is frankly looking fantastic. there's an option open for slacker backing if you look in the latest KS update
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I'm awful at keeping up with modern stuff, so it's my first time seeing SA since Sri posted it here some years back. Good vibes in that clip, most definitely! Looking like the solid fundamentals and creative flair expected of the old JP greats. I like that the player is able to keep whacking the boss while hanging under the craft, rather than it being a mere "time out..." that's the sort of performance room I look to for longterm value. The grapple bar mechanic itself looks intriguing too, haven't seen that one before. Instantly brings a lot of Shatterbrain-esque scenarios to mind.
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Now that I‘m done with Bloodstained, I‘ll return to Probotector MD (see my initial remarks a few pages back). Currently I‘m trying to decide which route to tackle next. So far I‘ve finished the game with the secret joke ending and the route with the train stage. Any suggestions in which order to do the remaining routes?


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Hard for me to say with The Hard Corps being thoroughly burned into my synapses, but: Big Magnum (chase Deadeye Joe + Surrender) is probably the easiest, and definitely shortest. ROCKETAPOCALYPSE (defend the Research Facility + Fight to the end) is longer and tougher, on par with Super Bahamut (and packing the third member of the game's RNG trinity, after SB's Spheroid Joe and FUCKIN DOCTOR CRAB). Aliens (chase Joe + Fight) is somewhere between. Kill 'em all. Image
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Big Magnum it is, then. It will be nice to have a different stage 2 for a change. I‘d much more prefer having different stages 3 and 4, though.


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