Another day, another shooting in the US

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Xyga wrote:You've never understood a thing I said I wouldn't expect you to understand now or any day. :lol:
You've never understood a thing you've said either, or you would recognize your desires to cleanse society of undesirables and to execute people without trial for what they are.
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Can you guys actually read and get any form of nuance in the points people make ?

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Xyga wrote:You've never understood a thing I said I wouldn't expect you to understand now or any day. :lol:
You've never understood a thing you've said either, or you would recognize your desires to cleanse society of undesirables and to execute people without trial for what they are.
Sometimes I forget how fucking incredibly DUMB you are. :lol:
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Any nuance your posts ever have is sort of muddled by the WALLS of
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I think you get the trophy, #1 world class retard. :wink:

Want more? we can fill the page like that.
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I understand you don't actually support the extrajudicial execution of noncombatants but if everyone is doing it anyway, it makes it MORE important to have a principled official stance against it, not less, and even more important to follow through afterward.
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ColonelFatso wrote:I understand you don't actually support the extrajudicial execution of noncombatants but if everyone is doing it anyway, it makes it MORE important to have a principled official stance against it, not less, and even more important to follow through afterward.
Hear, hear.
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Thank you ColonelFatso. Yes, that would be the best. But I don't think it will happen how it should.
My point was that whether it was during the bloodbath or after, it was already too late in the perspective of those parties who have a heavy part in it, and they want to finish it blindly probably thinking that nobody at least within their own party will reproach them doing so. You know, the idea that 'they went along with the combattants anyway, they should have fled with the refugees if they didn't want to finish like this', and after all that shit few people in will care even if there's all sorts of wrong that will inevitably happen.
edit; and whatever, you know what they will think also: why did you go if supposedly not to fight? were you actually forced? -> that will be a problem until the end, even those who will say they didn't have a choice, well, few people will hear them.
But in any case for me too much harm's been done, no process will heal and prevent another conflict, but that's just my super-negative opinion, whatever.
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8+ dead in Texas... at another school.

Everyone please start readying your thoughts & prayers.
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Time to troll pro gun dipshits.

Also how awful, and apparently the 22nd school shooting in the US this year...
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I watched an overview about how Mr.Anime killed his family the other day.

What really struck me was how much rawer, more "real" everything seemed in those earlier days of Youtube. Most of the people were not nearly as affluent as the big youtube stars are today - they usually looked like someone living in an actual normal person's house. Something built in the 1940's or 70's at latest. All shot on cheapass (and insufficient) equipment. While the youtube stars of today are usually pathologically upbeat rich phonies straight out of those Nerd Crew parodies - poverty and depression are not viral themes.

Mr.Anime isn't the only youtube killer from those days. Seems like there were quite a few of them.

Anyway, he in particular really struck me as someone who shouldn't have owned firearms. He didn't have livestock to protect. There aren't exactly waves of deer killing people on the roads in Texas. Also he turned out to be the kind of guy who'd wake up with no plans to murder his family, then randomly change his mind a few hours later.

Unlike most of these sociopaths, it doesn't seem like he was very committed to this. By the time he got to the school where he was planning a killing spree, he changed back his mind and just sat in his car until the cops picked him up. Unlike Elliot Rodger, I don't think this guy would have had it in him to murder his mom with a knife or hammer.

It's remarkable as a rare example of "if he didn't have the means, he maybe wouldn't have done it."
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BryanM wrote:Mr.Anime isn't the only youtube killer from those days. Seems like there were quite a few of them.
Indeed. There was one black guy who was a VenomFangX fanboy who killed this girl (another Youtuber) he had a crush on and recently there was this Russian SJW who killed his girlfriend while high on shrooms.
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Steamflogger Boss wrote:Time to troll pro gun dipshits.

Also how awful, and apparently the 22nd school shooting in the US this year...
It is amazing how having easy access to guns causes this sort of thing to happen - regularly. One day, in the distant, far future some one over there might work it out but until that time the rest of us will just have to shake our heads and let them get on with it.
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It's an identity thing. The pro-gun people are so bankrupt that they cling to it as if it were their very selves. If they had something else to go to by which they could define themselves, they might. But they've embraced it, for all of its fatal flaws.

Only things like education about a plethora of subject matter, time-intensive hobbies, and a richer culture that could stand in for jingoistic breast-beating could unseat guns. If it isn't about power, it's about their nifty mechanisms and such. But you can find mechanical marvel in other things that aren't murder machines.
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In 100 years, the world would look back at how stupid our society is the same way we look back at how the Titanic didn't have enough lifeboats because regulations didn't required as such. I'm not American, but these school shootings are regrettable because they are preventable. No matter what people do, it seems nothing could be done to prevent yet another mass shooting and that is just a real sad fact in a very sad world. I live in a country where mass shootings are non-existent because the laws on firearms are strict. Yes, I understand that there's no way to adopt such laws in America, but just like that Titanic analogy, eventually people would come to their senses and realize that keeping schools safe should have been an upmost priority.
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What's the deal with schools in the US anyway, so horrific that they turn kids into killers? are these places like irl 4chan or what?
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Xyga wrote:What's the deal with schools in the US anyway, so horrific that they turn kids into killers?
The thing is, it's actually not the schools that cause this. There are people worldwide who are disturbed enough to be willing to do this sort of thing, but what stops a lot of people is simply lack of availability to weapons. Not only does choice of weapon vastly affect potential body count, but if you really only have access to a knife or machete, it takes a LOT more guts to go on a rampage than using a gun.

In America, many households have readily accessible guns, and therefore many people have the means to carry out this sort of mass murder. In countries where guns aren't readily available, a murderous impulse is tempered by the accessibility of weaponry, and if your availalble choice of weapon isn't nearly as effective, they'll often lack the willpower to follow-through on the impulse, and that will often be enough to prevent an act of violence from being carried out.

It's worth remembering that mass murders and school shootings only make up a tiny fraction of the gun deaths yearly in the USA. There's actually a massive number of suicides on a yearly basis which would probably be preventable if readily available access to guns weren't so widespread (it wouldn't stop all suicides, but again, guns are commonly used because it doesn't take much guts to pull a trigger compared to the pain of slitting one's own wrists, etc). Not to mention the widespread single homicides, cases where guns are used in domestic violence murders, etc.

For the USA to break the cycle, they need to essentially tell the NRA and the Republicans who defend loose gun regulations to go fuck themselves. They also need to deal with the idiotic Dickey Amendment which prevented the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from using public funds for researching and treating the gun violence epidemic like what it is: an epidemic. There was technically a recent update clarifying it can now use funds to research it, but it's still legally unable to actually promote anything that'd fix the problem such as better gun regulations. It's like saying you're allowed to research cancer or ebola all you want, as long as you don't actively promote any known, effective cures.
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Nailed it Kangaroo. I say this as an American too, that has guns in his house, because they were essentially inherited. Never fired them off and honestly just not sure what to do with them, so they sit. It's all really old shit too, nothing close to semi-auto. I hadn't thought about them in ages until reading your post. But yeah guns are really just...an ingrained part of American culture.

Great point on them but unfortunately the NRA swings a huge cock.
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The NRA did used to have a heavy educational focus (and if you ask them nowadays they'll claim they still do) but currently the NRA is basically nothing more than a political lobbying group for gun manufacturing commercial interests. It's so bad that in polling results, the majority of gun owners in the USA actually support reforms and gun control similar to testing required for a driver's license, but since many of them also refuse to even look at a political party other than the Republicans, the NRA is free to keep demonizing even the remote idea of mandatory testing and licensing for gun ownership.

There's no hope of the NRA changing from within, so the only real thing that can be done is to apply heavy financial and political pressure which, quite frankly, is shockingly actually happening what with the public outcry finally forcing businesses such as banks to actually apply pressure to gun companies. It's absurd that sensible gun reform can only happen when there's capitalist pressure to do so when lives are literally at stake, but money makes the world go round as they say.
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Xyga wrote:What's the deal with schools in the US anyway, so horrific that they turn kids into killers? are these places like irl 4chan or what?
Our culture has to contribute to some degree. We simply don't care about one another here - reading anything about Europe is like upside down land. Norway... tries to reform people in prison and reintegrate them into society? What? Everyone knows you're supposed to charge prisoners money for room and board to sit in a cage, and then make sure they can't get a job when they get out. Italy has a large number of co-operatives, a company where the workers have elections on who the supervisors are? ..What? You.. can do that?

But no, most schools are not some cartoon hellworld like in TV. I remember when Columbine happened and me and my friends were like "what? Their group had girls in it??!" You city folk really do have it easier in a ton of ways.
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the incel attack was done without guns though and trucks are easy to get and possibly even more lethal
why are incels an american phenomenon in the first place?
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The best thing about these common events are the memes and tweets. My favorite so far is, "I can't believe there's been another shooting. We've done literally nothing."
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Bananamatic wrote:the incel attack was done without guns though and trucks are easy to get and possibly even more lethal
why are incels an american phenomenon in the first place?
I dunno.

Family Matters told me I should be able to get the girl I'm obsessed with even though we have nothing in common and already have a girlfriend who's better than my obsession in literally every way.

There's not really such a thing as involuntary celibacy anyway, not in the way most of those guys use it. Standards are just too damn high - they always want a heavenly blessed beauty. We can't all be Dennis Kucinich, man. Lower them standards a bit and there's always someone willing to fuck you.

Unless you're a bed ridden old man with your skin melting off and poop clinging to your butt. But even then: Old lady poop butt will be there for you.

Guys like Elliot Rodger could never accomplish this in a million years, however. Most sociopaths should be able to grasp the idea that you have to provide positive value for people to want to be around you, but this kind of guy was too deep into the aspergers to even try to pretend. Socializing with people only made him worse and worse.

On one hand I do wish he had pulled his head out of his ass and realized he just wasn't a good fit for the one night stand crowd, that that wasn't even what he wanted in life in the first place. Maybe meet a girl at some Pokémon convention and bond over their shared love of [s]crushing the bones of their enemies with their army of horrible monsters[/s] collecting and battling with cute pets. Then no one would have been murdered, right?

But that's nothing but complete fantasy. Dude was a racist sociopath born on third base, and chose to take some people out with him on his way out.

He told us about how he'd listen at the door while his sister fucked her boyfriend (who was not on Elliot's approved race list) and how it'd make him furious. Some people are just completely fucked in the head.
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Oh, and incels aren't an exclusive American thing either. (NSFW) Maybe those countries just have much better anger management, on a social level.
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is there even a violent incel equivalent in japan? one would think so considering how many otaku, lolicons and NEET are there
but apparently only american ones decide to play shoot em up for one last time
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Bananamatic wrote:is there even a violent incel equivalent in japan? one would think so considering how many otaku, lolicons and NEET are there
they collect tentacle rape manga but secretly want women that'll do chitatap with their cock
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don't forget the idol semen handshakes and other degenerate stuff
yet the samurai don't go on rampages
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What about that one time the guy showed up to an event with a hacksaw. So he could bring himself back some hands home.

So he would be able to shake them whenever he felt like it.
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I checked wikipedia and it only lists a bit more than three Japanese rampage killers since the 90's. Even with the firearm control, a culture of not wanting to bother other people, and a smaller population it seems a bit sparse. It's probably an incomplete list due to the language barrier.

On the other hand, maybe their standards are too high for the average weakling without a firearm to reach:

* Rampage killings with 6 or more dead
* Rampage killings with at least 4 people killed and least ten victims overall (dead plus injured)
* Rampage killings with at least 2 people killed and least 12 victims overall (dead plus injured)

It helps a lot if you have a truck. But that would require money and going outside.
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