Wow, never heard of that! Looks like it borrows from Taito's Cameltry (aka "On the Ball"). And for you who can't get enough of that style, "Koro Koro Post Nin" on the PS1 is similar.zinger wrote:Septentrion is also a must-try. Totally unique experience!
I'd argue that Street Fighter II, Super Street Fighter II and Street Fighter Alpha 2 were pretty damned good on the SNES.KAI wrote:SNES fighting games, NO!
DK Country is on the shitpile of end-of-generation style-over-substance games next to Vectorman.Obiwanshinobi wrote:Second page and Donkey Kong Country isn't on anybody's list - a good sign.
Still, Star Fox may be easier on the eye, but who does play it nowadays? With Doom on the PSX, well, if you wanna play Doom where your TV is, it would make some sense. But Star Fox?
I can imagine somebody playing 16-bit console racers, though.
I was just about to post the same re: SNES Alpha 2, it's completely bodged, no idea why it's so fondly regarded. And agreed, Tourney Fighters was one of the best original SFC fighting games, far superior to the MD version. It's incredibly challenging, but taut, and am I wrong in thinking it was the first fighting game ever to have super combo attacks?Hagane wrote:Alpha 2 is buggy and broken as fuck, too.
As for original games, the TMNT fighter was pretty cool.
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Dreadful collision detection, for one. The graphics are also really hideous, despite them being a highlight (apparently). The gameplay is basically harmless, but it's really by-the-numbers to the point of being vaguely offensive. Nice music though, depending on your tolerance for synth panpipes. I like the sound the game makes when you collect bananas.blackoak wrote:I really like DKC and DKC2, but now I'm curious to hear what you guys hate about it?
The first fighting game with a super depends on how supers are defined and how the genre is defined. Here's how I understand the timeline: If an action game with a semi-real time fighting game engine for duels counts, then Hiryu no Ken (1987) has a meter that meets all modern criteria (can be used to perform special moves when fully charged and that's automatically filled through damage). For standard fighters, if it's a special move access meter that must be recharged manually, then Ryuko no Ken (1992) would indeed be first. If it's a special move access meter that's automatically filled through damage, then Samurai Spirits (1993) is first. If it's a special move access meter that's automatically filled through attacks and specials, then TMNT Tournament Fighters (1993) should be first.Hagane wrote:Yeah MD Tournament Fighters is awful. As far as I know, the first game to ever have supers (and super bars) is Art of Fighting (September 1992). According to GameFaqs, Tournament Fighters came out in December 1993.
Drauch: yeah I never got the love for Weaponlord either. Some people claim it had a lot of innovations but in fact nearly everything it supposedly pioneered was done by Samurai Shodown a few years before.
The OG Hiryu no Ken for arcade ('85) had the meter too and that's a straight fighter, but ... arcade Punch Out!! ('84), surely?Ganelon wrote:The first fighting game with a super depends on how supers are defined and how the genre is defined. Here's how I understand the timeline: If an action game with a semi-real time fighting game engine for duels counts, then Hiryu no Ken (1987) has a meter that meets all modern criteria (can be used to perform special moves when fully charged and that's automatically filled through damage). For standard fighters, if it's a special move access meter that must be recharged manually, then Ryuko no Ken (1992) would indeed be first. If it's a special move access meter that's automatically filled through damage, then Samurai Spirits (1993) is first. If it's a special move access meter that's automatically filled through attacks and specials, then TMNT Tournament Fighters (1993) should be first.Hagane wrote:Yeah MD Tournament Fighters is awful. As far as I know, the first game to ever have supers (and super bars) is Art of Fighting (September 1992). According to GameFaqs, Tournament Fighters came out in December 1993.
Drauch: yeah I never got the love for Weaponlord either. Some people claim it had a lot of innovations but in fact nearly everything it supposedly pioneered was done by Samurai Shodown a few years before.
It's nothing like Cameltry. Think of James Cameron's Titanic and everything in it that happened after the boat started sinking. The sense of anxiousness and stress you get from water flowing in, the electricity in certain sections of the ship suddenly being cut, and having to adapt to the entire goddamn interior rotating 360 degrees, is not only totally unique but also incredibly exciting! There seems to be an endless amount of rooms to visit and every now and then you meet passengers or crew members to speak to (for instance, if you go to the wine cellar you'll find a bunch of waiters who have given up on surviving and are trying to get themselves drunk), which adds tons to the realism and the sense of being lost and beyond hope. As if that wasn't enough there are also several different scenarios you can play out, depending on which character you chose the starting point of the game and the story is totally different. Due to lack of time I feel like I haven't even begun exploring the vastness of this game yet, but it's what I'll spend my christmas holiday doing (after that I'll probably continue playing Clock Tower which is by the same developer)undamned wrote:Wow, never heard of that! Looks like it borrows from Taito's Cameltry (aka "On the Ball"). And for you who can't get enough of that style, "Koro Koro Post Nin" on the PS1 is similar.zinger wrote:Septentrion is also a must-try. Totally unique experience!
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The first Goemon game has great atmosphere but is very gimmicky. The town sections take up a lot of time (just randomly entering houses and saving up money for shit), are terribly boring and destroys what probably could have been a cool albeit simple platformer otherwise. I gave up on the sequel pretty fast since it seemed to have the same gimmicky approach to the action with simple mechanics. Nice presentation though. They're probably best enjoyed if you play around in them them casually with a friend. Overrated!BIL wrote:Anyone have experience with the SFC Goemon games (the action RPG ones)? Seeing Rainbow Bell Adventure cited reminds me that they're in the purgatory of my "ROMs to try" list along with it. Don't care about the town roaming aspect at all (would just FAQ 'em), more wondering if the sidescrolling is worthwhile or just fluff. Presentation seems customarily beautiful as per the Konami of yore
By fighting game I mean the genre started by Karate Champ, and by super a move above special moves. So, unless someone brings a proper fighting game (and not a sidescrolling beat'em up) AoF is the first game with supers and super bars. TF introducing a different charge method / super enabling condition doesn't change that AoF was first to include those mechanics in the genre.Ganelon wrote:The first fighting game with a super depends on how supers are defined and how the genre is defined.
Thanks for the impressions! I'll have to give them some more time - I'm always slightly lenient on high-production 16-bit titles that aren't genre-leaders provided the underlying game is at least competent (Axelay), but I don't go for cutesy stuff as much as Majuu Ou psycho freakouts, and the town stuff is totally wasted on me. Got fairly far into the first PS1 game and found it only passable, and lacking the 16-bit charm to boot.zinger wrote:The first Goemon game has great atmosphere but is very gimmicky. The town sections take up a lot of time (just randomly entering houses and saving up money for shit), are terribly boring and destroys what probably could have been a cool albeit simple platformer otherwise. I gave up on the sequel pretty fast since it seemed to have the same gimmicky approach to the action with simple mechanics. Nice presentation though. They're probably best enjoyed if you play around in them them casually with a friend. Overrated!
Septentrion is definitely on my check list now.The sense of anxiousness and stress you get from water flowing in, the electricity in certain sections of the ship suddenly being cut, and having to adapt to the entire goddamn interior rotating 360 degrees, is not only totally unique but also incredibly exciting!
Of course! Thanks for the info.Hagane wrote:Art of Fighting
Hmm, although this game gets rapturous praise all round, for this to be the best game ever made I must be missing a trick somewhere or completely losing my mind. I've got UK for the SFC and despite giving it plenty of undivided attention it comes across as a rather poor game. Ok, you can swing from a hook and the physics and flukes can be kind of neat, and I've seen superplays that really go to town - but the presentation sucks ass, the controls are fucking clunky, the music is extremely average, and that early tadpole boss is borderline broken.MX7 wrote:Umihara Kawase - The best game ever made and consequently the best game on the SNES
These games can only really be recommended if people get off on weirdness and/or obscurity, as none are particularly good. Gourmet has bizarre novelty, but not much game, Psycho Dream is below average, and Super Ninja-Kun is tragically disappointing after you progress from the first stage.Drum wrote:Gourmet Sentai
Psycho Dream
Super Ninja-Kun
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