Your new music thread **formerly 'Music Production Thread'

[GaijinPunch]

Current gear: 2 older black Technics 1200's (the pitch control has the old 0% notch still) and a pretty blah Vestax 06. Looking to get a Raine mixer with some sort of DVS system in the near future.

Hmm.... 0%... I'm thinking theyr'e newer than MKII's (or way older)

Although I do enjoy listening to and playing electronic/dance music, it is a pain to get stupid creative with it unlike with hip-hop/turntablism..

I wouldn't go that far. You can do really, really dope DJing tech/house with vinyl...better than a lot Hip Hop DJs. Just a matter of taste, and how comfortable you are with the tunes. Personally I think there's only so far you can go scratching. But, mixing Beastie Boys into gay house takes some talent.

Some of the old Signum stuff I've kept on vinyl as it still gives me goosebumps

I'm sure I got a few as well.

[cools]

jonny5: Take a look at the Renoise demo, it's pretty good software.

[jonny5]

jonny5: Take a look at the Renoise demo, it's pretty good software.

lolz....ive had a buddy recommend it too actually....i forget stuff

im just avoiding doing stuff on my pc right now, aside from occasionally recording....

im actually working on doing a cover of the guwange boss theme on a mc-303....which reminds me, pics later( i will forget again im sure )

[crithit5000]

Hmm.... 0%... I'm thinking theyr'e newer than MKII's (or way older)

Looked it up, they're most likely SL-1210MK2's.

I wouldn't go that far. You can do really, really dope DJing tech/house with vinyl...better than a lot Hip Hop DJs. Just a matter of taste, and how comfortable you are with the tunes.

It's hard to describe what I mean, really. It's weird, because if you hand me a bunch of dance records I'll lock myself into a pattern of count bars, twiddle with the faders/knobs/effects a bit, change record, rinse and repeat. It's fun, but sometimes it gets old quick to me. With hip-hop there's that as well, but more interesting mixing techniques, scratching, juggling, and it generally still feels quite experimental to me even though I've been doing it for over 10 years now.

Personally I think there's only so far you can go scratching.

This I agree with, which is why I try to round myself out when it comes to dj'ing hip-hop. Way too many hip-hop dj's can't beat match for shit which drives me nuts when they can scratch or juggle like the second coming. Learn to rock a party fully, plz

[Udderdude]

http://soundcloud.com/rogalian

Pretty cool, although I have to say some of the tracks seem a bit too long. But that's trance for you.

Any tracker that is MIDI capable (and the majority of the good ones are) can be hooked up to a keyboard for playing soft/hard synths live, or operating as a sampling keyboard/MIDI sequencer.

Yeah, MODPlug Tracker has done MIDI input since I can remember using it (back in 2000). I just need a small-ish MIDI keyboard again. Not that I really know how to play seriously, but at least I can dink around with it. :P

I don't know if I'd want to use a tracker by recording MIDI into it.. you end up having to adjust it anyway.

I remember having to screw around with pattern length and speed to get the right setup just to record paticular things (fast/slow compositions). So it's not optimal, for sure. But it's better than nothing.

[jonny5]

http://soundcloud.com/rogalian

Pretty cool, although I have to say some of the tracks seem a bit too long. But that's trance for you.

Any tracker that is MIDI capable (and the majority of the good ones are) can be hooked up to a keyboard for playing soft/hard synths live, or operating as a sampling keyboard/MIDI sequencer.

Yeah, MODPlug Tracker has done MIDI input since I can remember using it (back in 2000). I just need a small-ish MIDI keyboard again. Not that I really know how to play seriously, but at least I can dink around with it.

I don't know if I'd want to use a tracker by recording MIDI into it.. you end up having to adjust it anyway.

I remember having to screw around with pattern length and speed to get the right setup just to record paticular things (fast/slow compositions). So it's not optimal, for sure. But it's better than nothing.

you need an lpk25.... http://www.akaipro.com/lpk25

as for the midi in trackers...i want it so i can control it with external stuff like my mpc...i basically just want to use the tracker as a sound module....famitracker kind of does this, but i cant firgure out how to lock an instrument to a midi channel....you can map the NES cahnnels to the midi channels, but it doesnt lock the instrument...so whatever instrument i have selected, it uses for playback on all channels...

so ya...no sequencing in the tracker, just using the instruments and sequencing with the mpc....you kind of saw what i mean when you were over on the weekend udderdude

maybe at the next meet( or any time...you have my cell#) you should bring your laptop and we can sit down and check this shit out

me thinks you are more familiar with trackers than i, so maybe you can help me with some of the stuff thats tripping me up....

that FM stuff you played me was pretty bad ass!!

[emphatic]

I made a SoundCloud account as well and added my one off venture into Hip Hop remixing: http://soundcloud.com/dj_emphatic/busta ... mashup-mix

[KBZ]

well nothing hardware driven yet, but still having a blast with VOPM and this killer kollection of presets

No serious projects, but I did make a soundcloud account.

http://soundcloud.com/kbuzz

[Udderdude]

you need an lpk25.... http://www.akaipro.com/lpk25

This looks cool, any idea where I could pick one up locally?

me thinks you are more familiar with trackers than i, so maybe you can help me with some of the stuff thats tripping me up....

I would have to play with the latest OpenMPT to see if it supports the MIDI extension you're talking about.

that FM stuff you played me was pretty bad ass!!

Thanks, doing it with a real FM chip is much more limiting though (usually 6 channels, no stereo and no PCM)

[Udderdude]

well nothing hardware driven yet, but still having a blast with VOPM and this killer kollection of presets

Are you sure those are just presets? Looks like actual music to me. Any idea how to play it?

Also .. I hate soundcloud. Buggy slow crap

[emphatic]

Also .. I hate soundcloud. Buggy slow crap

I never even tried it before I saw cools stuff. I have to agree on the buggy slow crap remark.

[Lordstar]

Also .. I hate soundcloud. Buggy slow crap

until something else which comes out which does the same thing and people jump on that bandwaggon though . . .

[jonny5]

you need an lpk25.... http://www.akaipro.com/lpk25

This looks cool, any idea where I could pick one up locally?

moog audio has it for like $72....they are on queen street..... http://www.moogaudio.com/advanced_searc ... 8e&x=0&y=0

im probably gonna get one for the missus so she will get off my gear ...it has a built in arpeggiator too(neat feature for a midi controller), interested to play around with that too

long and mcquades and steves probably have it too, or they can order it for ya....although i recommend moog....there staff are very nice and almost too knowledgeable....

me thinks you are more familiar with trackers than i, so maybe you can help me with some of the stuff thats tripping me up....

I would have to play with the latest OpenMPT to see if it supports the MIDI extension you're talking about.

not necessarily talking just about midi stuff, more just the ins and outs of using trackers....im the hardware guy....you are the software master!

that FM stuff you played me was pretty bad ass!!

Thanks, doing it with a real FM chip is much more limiting though (usually 6 channels, no stereo and no PCM)

i was actually reading up on how to 'rip' instruments from sega roms and use them in trackers...i was reading the thread on chipmusic.org http://chipmusic.org/forums/topic/1832/ ... esis-roms/

havent tried it, but seems promising....mind you i havent tried the tracker they are referring to, but it seems the 'best' for sega stuff from my research

and im just about ready to start that guwange boss theme cover on the mc-303....its gonna be awesome!!!

i will probably do a gameboy version when im done since i will have all the parts figured out....just a matter of sound design and laying out the notes in lsdj should be able to do it with just one unit

i also just signed up for soundcloud, but i havent uploaded anything yet.... im also gonna give bandcamp a try....

i just want a simple way of making my music freely available for download/streaming....i avoid social network sites so myspace and shit like that is out

[charlie chong]

lolz @ jonny 5 .. trust me it aint wat program/drum machine you got it's just how u use it. quantize is for wimps for start lolz and makes it NOT LIVE.DONT USE QUANTIZE IT IS SHIT AND TAKEZ DE FUNK AWAY..its cool for techno i guess if you want a robot feel
personally i use a mixture of the mpc (just for drums the big ass black one forgot the number lolz) triggered live and then shifted by eye if they off too much , sound forge,an old japanese analog arp lead copy,modplug tracker,renoise,sound forge for making tight arse music loops and then finally tie it all together in cool edit/audacity/multitrack recorder of choice. i do most of the technical chops,layering in cool edit nowadays tho and can easy make a tune JUST using cool edit which doesn't even have a sequencer..
USE YOUR MIND NOT THE EQUIPMENT TO MAKE THE MUSIC..
I swear when they make a telepathic program that auto eqs your shit i will rule teh world
heres my new lofi love rap lp i dropped a week ago yesterday before i ended up in hospital from a massive faint lolzzz .i been in rehab at my mums all weak the doctor thinks i may have over active thyroid problems(lolz explains a lot) and a heart murmur

I PRESENT
JEOFF LOVE-ANIMALS ARE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE 2 (14 TRACKS version)

http://www.divshare.com/download/12647676-40c
it does have a story behind it,mebbes one day i'll tell you all..

[lilmanjs]

heh, with the help of a few friends, I've been getting a better feel for mixing my songs. latest one I created is inspired by the feel of the song is inspired by the Yoshinori Sunahara album Lovebeat. Features some moving drums going against peacefull synths and the likes.
link:
http://drop.io/ldichgj/asset/06-lilmanj ... -world-mp3

[TomuS]

Dark stuff Udderdude! Some tracks reminded me of R-Type-like atmosphere. Liked null1024's Heavy Implosion too, that later part was great!

I use FLStudio myself, and have tried trackers but can't seem to get into them. Even though I think it's fascinating to do music with limited sounds.
Been using VOPM lately, it's really great! Here's what I've done with it, it's for a game project: Link

[Udderdude]

http://2a03.free.fr/?p=pub&dir=null1024
http://chipmusic.org/music#s=null1024
http://battleofthebits.org//arena/Entry ... .zip/4393/
http://battleofthebits.org//arena/Entry ... .nsf/4325/
http://trebledeathsystem.com/tracks/350 -- probably the best of the lot, collab with Syniphas.

and then nonchip+some chip mixed in:
http://trebledeathsystem.com/user/61/tracks

It would be nice if you had one page with all your stuff, or some sort of 'best of' collection.

Anyway, I liked destroyed_crystal_planets and trancendance_of_space from 2a03.
Only one I really liked from chipmusic.org is Positrons!
dodomancer sounded cool but didn't really have much going on for 1 minute long.

[Udderdude]

heh, with the help of a few friends, I've been getting a better feel for mixing my songs. latest one I created is inspired by the feel of the song is inspired by the Yoshinori Sunahara album Lovebeat. Features some moving drums going against peacefull synths and the likes.
link:
http://drop.io/ldichgj/asset/06-lilmanj ... -world-mp3

It's ok, somewhat relaxing except for the flute. Personally I think the flute could use some more attack and release, it is pretty sudden. It is also a bit dissonant against the background synth. In fact the flute part just really needs more work. Did you make the beat yourself?

[Udderdude]

Dark stuff Udderdude! Some tracks reminded me of R-Type-like atmosphere. Liked null1024's Heavy Implosion too, that later part was great!

I use FLStudio myself, and have tried trackers but can't seem to get into them. Even though I think it's fascinating to do music with limited sounds.
Been using VOPM lately, it's really great! Here's what I've done with it, it's for a game project: Link

Glad you liked my album. If you put out that game OST as a soundtrack with MP3s I'd probably give it a better listen.

Speaking of my stuff, I finished another album, this one is not nearly as dark and evil as the previous one though, in fact in most ways it's the exact opposite :P

http://rydia.net/udder/mods/rail/

[lilmanjs]

heh, with the help of a few friends, I've been getting a better feel for mixing my songs. latest one I created is inspired by the feel of the song is inspired by the Yoshinori Sunahara album Lovebeat. Features some moving drums going against peacefull synths and the likes.
link:
http://drop.io/ldichgj/asset/06-lilmanj ... -world-mp3

It's ok, somewhat relaxing except for the flute. Personally I think the flute could use some more attack and release, it is pretty sudden. It is also a bit dissonant against the background synth. In fact the flute part just really needs more work. Did you make the beat yourself?

yea, I made the beat myself and used a little filter on the high-hat. as for the flute thingy, its not really a flue but another synth(more like a pad) over top as the second overlay.

[jonny5]

Here's a little pop-punk track I threw together with Beepola for ZX Spectrum hardware.

Check it out

http://soundcloud.com/jonny5-1

Feedback is appreciated.

[Udderdude]

Yes, come to the tracker side! We have cookies. :p

The melody didn't seem to have any solid ground, but the rest of it was pretty good. Kind of catchy.

[jonny5]

Yes, come to the tracker side! We have cookies. :p

The melody didn't seem to have any solid ground, but the rest of it was pretty good. Kind of catchy.

Solid ground? What do you mean?

[Udderdude]

Yes, come to the tracker side! We have cookies. :p

The melody didn't seem to have any solid ground, but the rest of it was pretty good. Kind of catchy.

Solid ground? What do you mean?

It didn't seem to do much but kind of beep around, but I guess that's what you were going for.

[jonny5]

Yes, come to the tracker side! We have cookies. :p

The melody didn't seem to have any solid ground, but the rest of it was pretty good. Kind of catchy.

Solid ground? What do you mean?

It didn't seem to do much but kind of beep around, but I guess that's what you were going for.

It's a melody, that's what melodies do; the 'beeping around' you refer to is called a progression, it's not random notes and it follows/drives the overall composition of the song. I think, as with most of our music related conversations, we have very different tastes, and very different styles. You shouldn't be so quick to write off styles that are outside of your interest, or the style in which you make music.

[flux]

Yes, come to the tracker side! We have cookies. :p

Hooray trackers!

Speaking of trackers, I make music with them. It's only been 4 months between my last two songs. I'm getting better!
http://soundcloud.com/frux

[jonny5]

Old Man and the Sea Dracula was dope!

Same with sad sounds of a robot!

I like your style.

I think you would dig my hip hop stuff.....similar vein.

I should upload some.

Still, I want a Machinedrum

[null1024]

Here's a little pop-punk track I threw together with Beepola for ZX Spectrum hardware.

Check it out

http://soundcloud.com/jonny5-1

Feedback is appreciated.

Oooh, Beepola stuffs!
Not bad. I'm infinitely glad you used synth instead of digital drums, I hate how the digital drums cut out the sound...



Also, on a related note, I did this recently in Beepola:
http://battleofthebits.org/arena/Entry/ ... ZX48/4514/

[jonny5]

Here's a little pop-punk track I threw together with Beepola for ZX Spectrum hardware.

Check it out

http://soundcloud.com/jonny5-1

Feedback is appreciated.

Oooh, Beepola stuffs!
Not bad. I'm infinitely glad you used synth instead of digital drums, I hate how the digital drums cut out the sound...



Also, on a related note, I did this recently in Beepola:
http://battleofthebits.org/arena/Entry/ ... ZX48/4514/

Awesome stuff man!

It was obviously your songs that got me interested in messing with Beepola in the first place.

I meant to ask, would you mind sharing your .bbsong files with me? I'd really like to take a look at how you are doing some of the more complicated sounding arrangements with the phaser engine.

Personally I enjoy the simplicity of the sound engines and stuff in Beepola; I spend my time composing and not just tweaking and fucking with effects like I end up doing in other trackers. I think it's perfect for laying down uber-poppy melodies and stuff. Very simple catchy stuff that gets stuck in your head.

I write very much in the moment, and once an idea strikes me, usually I need to get it out before the moment passes. I find with most of my tracker work, it's too slow a process(for me) to get it out before I lose the idea, or the groove I had going in my head.

With Beepola I found it very easy to transfer the ideas in my head to the software quickly and effectively.

As for the digital drums, I agree, they aren't great. They punch a bit more but as you said, they interfere with the overall sound. Probably Ok for dancy stuff with just a 4/4 kick drum beat, but I need my snares and cymbals.

I'm thinking about trying to do a track with the music box engine, and depending on what comes out of it, I can lay down drums with the MPC or something. We shall see.

[flux]

Old Man and the Sea Dracula was dope!

Same with sad sounds of a robot!

I like your style.

I think you would dig my hip hop stuff.....similar vein.

I should upload some.

Still, I want a Machinedrum

Thanks, man. If you upload your hip hop stuff, I definitely want to check it out.