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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:18 am 


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Continuing the Ghibli tour, I went with Whisper of the Heart the other night after someone was telling me how, "the wholesomeness of the dialogue and relationships between characters feels so out of place with the world today.."

I liked it a lot, from the opening John Denver tune through the end credits. I related to the young characters wanting to pursue their dream rather than taking the standard path through school -- the scene where Shizuku's parents accept her desire to her personal goal caught me by surprise.


I actually "timed" a subtitle script for this one many, many moons ago, so technically I've seen it many times... I've forgotten it largely though. I do remember enjoying it at the time. Isn't the opening track the Olivia Newton John cover?

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Hereditary. It was fantastic. One of the best horror movies I've ever seen.
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Mandy (2018) - Wow, I knew it would be nuts because I've seen Panos's first film Beyond the Black Rainbow. This was incredible and perfect halloween viewing (I'm usually not big on horror/slasher). I know he's in a lot of trash, but I love Nick Cage ever since Raising Arizona (an all time fave, I'm sure I've mentioned countless times over the years). The first 15 min or so are really quite beautiful, and then it goes all out nuts, far less buildup than say, Midsommer.
The music in Mandy was top notch too!

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In the second half of the movie I did have one gripe about the editing where it quickly goes from a driving scene after he gets the crossbow and makes the axe to yet another capture. It's like he ran over the guy in his car, crashes, then somehow wakes up was shackled inside athe bikers hangout. That needed an extra couple scenes to flow better imho.


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Isn't the opening track the Olivia Newton John cover?


Yes, I wasn't expecting that at all. Very nice how the theme was visited throughout the film.
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Mandy (2018) -


Mandy was great. I actually like Nic Cage, but it always kind of irked me that he changed his name. I guess it's okay to distance your public "persona" from those of your relatives, but people will still know who you are, and the same assumptions about nepotism will be there because you're a famous director's nephew and you obviously got connections.

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In the second half of the movie I did have one gripe about the editing where it quickly goes from a driving scene after he gets the crossbow and makes the axe to yet another capture. It's like he ran over the guy in his car, crashes, then somehow wakes up was shackled inside athe bikers hangout. That needed an extra couple scenes to flow better imho.



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Didn't mind that. It was jarring, but I think it was possibly intentional and fed into the psychedelic mania of the movie. I don't know if I was supposed to, but it worked for me when I saw it. I also think that it's a very visual movie, and it may very well be quite a different experience in a theater (I haven't watched it at home yet).


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Just saw John Wick 1.
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Watched Rush (2013), and it's an excellent, intense movie that's accurate with a real story. R.I.P. Niki though.

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Blood Machines (shudder original)

It's a bigger-budget sequel to the excellent music video Turbo Killer:

https://youtu.be/er416Ad3R1g

The actual trailer for Blood Machines is not work safe.

I gotta admit I was disappointed. On the plus side, you'll see the entire female cast of the music video nude and floating through colored space. On the minus side, they don't actually deliver on the "cosmic opera" promised in the trailer until the very end. It starts out slow with lots of awkward dialog by non-english-speakers in surprisingly drab environs. And frankly the action at the very end is muddled and confusing and not nearly as exciting as the music video.

Oh well, I was hoping for another Turbo Kid. If you happen to have shudder for some other reason, it's worth a look if you enjoyed the music video. But I wouldn't get a shudder subscription just for Blood Machines.
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Biggles! Caught this on LaserDisc last night. Why have I never seen/heard of this film before? So much fun, and hilarious.

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^ Trailer... whole movie is on youtube btw.
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Biggles! Caught this on LaserDisc last night. Why have I never seen/heard of this film before?



The movie is loosely based on a long series of books. The main character in the books is overtly racist, and by the time the movie came out, the political correctness movement was in full swing.

I believe that history has forgotten Biggles because of the hate the character represented off-screen.

Otherwise, it fits nicely into the borderline b-movie 80's afternoon cinema genre. The movie itself does not portray the main character as what the large volume of books do.


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Mannequin: **

Cheesy 80s movie based loosely on the Pygmalion story from Greek Mythology, where a department store mannequin comes to life (and turns out to be a several thousand year old ancient Egyptian who has done so throughout history) and immediately falls in love with the man who created her, and somehow this isn't weird at all in any way shape or form. The plot's a jumbled mess of contrivances, the characters are all one-dimensional parodies of themselves, and the only real notable thing to come out of this movie was the closing credits song by Starship that ended up becoming a #1 hit. Even so, like a lot of bad 80s movies, this one eventually reaches "so bad it's good" status to the point that it eventually picked up a bit of a cult following.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:00 pm 


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it eventually picked up a bit of a cult following.



I would agree (as the critics have always) that it's not a "good" movie. However, it's not true that it's a cult movie, per se. Mannequin was a *huge* box office success and was extraordinarily popular, especially as compared to contemporaries of the genre.

Simply put, the movie did not appear in a vacuum. It succeeded commercially because it was written to the culture surrounding it. It was supposed to be a charming and "cute" date night movie, and it did it's job for that.

Digging it up in 2020 and declaring it a stinker is really missing the point. Also, it's been declared a stinker for 30 years, so that's not anything new.

The real question is "why did it do so well while receiving sub-bad reviews?" I would say that the critics missed something. They missed how well it played upon the tropes of the day, and how much actual intelligence is there in the writing. The difference is that it's not written to be a "smart" movie, or a particularly artistic movie. It's written to hit a particular mood at a particular snapshot in history, and to appeal to the crowd of a certain age. It did so with impeccable aplomb.

It may seem odd that I'm choosing to respond to this, but this movie is a bit of a poster child for what I think is an unfair critical bias in film (and art in general). This movie was meant to appeal to certain people at a certain time. The critics purposefully ignored that and championed standards from their own elevated standards. Siskel and Ebert and Leonard Malton are super guilty of doing this. They judge every film from the same set of standards and for all people. It can't be done. Films are not all written to appeal to the same people.

Another movie that springs to mind that is similar to Mannequin, but faired a little better is SoapDish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soapdish


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Vexorg wrote:
it eventually picked up a bit of a cult following.



I would agree (as the critics have always) that it's not a "good" movie. However, it's not true that it's a cult movie, per se. Mannequin was a *huge* box office success and was extraordinarily popular, especially as compared to contemporaries of the genre.

Simply put, the movie did not appear in a vacuum. It succeeded commercially because it was written to the culture surrounding it. It was supposed to be a charming and "cute" date night movie, and it did it's job for that.

Digging it up in 2020 and declaring it a stinker is really missing the point. Also, it's been declared a stinker for 30 years, so that's not anything new.

The real question is "why did it do so well while receiving sub-bad reviews?" I would say that the critics missed something. They missed how well it played upon the tropes of the day, and how much actual intelligence is there in the writing. The difference is that it's not written to be a "smart" movie, or a particularly artistic movie. It's written to hit a particular mood at a particular snapshot in history, and to appeal to the crowd of a certain age. It did so with impeccable aplomb.

It may seem odd that I'm choosing to respond to this, but this movie is a bit of a poster child for what I think is an unfair critical bias in film (and art in general). This movie was meant to appeal to certain people at a certain time. The critics purposefully ignored that and championed standards from their own elevated standards. Siskel and Ebert and Leonard Malton are super guilty of doing this. They judge every film from the same set of standards and for all people. It can't be done. Films are not all written to appeal to the same people.

Another movie that springs to mind that is similar to Mannequin, but faired a little better is SoapDish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soapdish


I've watched and commented on SoapDish on this thread previously (see this post). I don't doubt that this film found an audience when it came out I'm not even necessarily saying it's a bad movie, just that it's a really bizarre one. And there were plenty of similarly bizarre movies during that era (a favorite of mine is Better Off Dead) that the critics similarly hated. They made whole franchises worth of these types of films that generally got terrible reviews but kept making the studio lots of money. Lately we've been going through some of the Police Academy movies (Ironically, Kim Cattrall was in the first one of those too) and that's a prime example of a series of movies that reviewed horribly but kept making a ton of money for quite a while. The first film in the series was its highest rated at 54% on RT, with the subsequent films in the series getting 31%, 40%, 0%, 0%, 0% and 0% (yes, four films out of the seven have 0%) RT ratings, but all but the last couple made significant profits (the first four films earned a total of over $380 million on a combined budget of $41 million) and the series also managed to spin off into a couple of different TV series (one live action, one animated.) They all basically amount to 75 minutes of random throwaway gags followed by 15 minutes of something vaguely resembling a plot at the end (often with big action sequences that probably paid for the Christmas parties at the Stuntmen's Association for several years.)

Joe Versus the Volcano is another similarly bizarre film from that era which got somewhat better reviews (61% RT score, probably because it has Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan in it) but made less money than Mannequin did with more than three times the budget.

In fact, I suspect 90% of the "popular" movies these days are the type of thing that the Roger Eberts and Leonard Maltins of the world would despise (just look at all the outrage that occurred a couple of years ago when the Academy proposed the addition of a "Best popular film" category at the Oscars) but most of the critics on Rotten Tomatoes seem to be products of the culture that produces these films so it doesn't reflect nearly as much in the ratings now.
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but most of the critics on Rotten Tomatoes seem to be products of the culture that produces these films so it doesn't reflect nearly as much in the ratings now.


True, but it's missed it's chance at popular redemption. RT isn't going to reflect the mood of 1987 in it's popularity appraisal. If such a movie does manage to make some headway in a popular online polling system, it's because it's gained some "cult" status (as you mentioned) and not because it captured a mood thirty years ago.

They are reborn, not redeemed.

Better Off Dead is great. I was in love with the black Camaro when I was a teenager. Also features one of the best one-liners in an 80's movie. (Have you any idea what the street value of this mountain is?)

Police Academy series is kind of a drag. I remember liking the first two and skipping the rest. Steve Guttenberg jeez that's one guy who really dropped off the face of the earth. Went from A list to who cares in about 3 years for no good reason.

Joe vs The Volcano was special to me. I'm not going to defend it, but I loved that movie when it came out and it still has a special place in my heart. I get that it's not so great, not even as good as the other Hanks movies at that time, but I was into it, and I didn't care about the reviews.


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Culloden (1964) "A reconstruction of the Battle of Culloden, the last battle to take place on British soil, as if modern TV cameras were present." (from imdb) Directed by Peter Watkins.
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African Kung-Fu Nazis
A silly movie about Hitler secretly escaping to Africa with the leader of Japan's WWII military to form their own cult and draft members into it. How to stay young for so long? They use martial arts to stop their aging. Despite that silly plot that barely makes sense, we get a love for old-school 70s martial arts movies and very good action. I was expecting everything to be awful, but the action packed a punch and was well done. Even a little bit of Hitler doing some martial arts himself!
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Batman and Robin: **

We knew coming into this one that it was going to be a trainwreck, and were not surprised to find that this was the case. The plot was a jumbled mess, the various actors chewed so much scenery that there was probably no need for craft services on the set, the visuals look like someone in the editing room accidentally bumped the "Technicolor" dial all the way to the max and nobody noticed until the film premiered, and the end result is in some ways a cinematic disaster, and in other ways exactly what you'd expect a comic book movie to look like. It's certainly in the running with the 1968 Batman movie for the campiest Batman movie ever, although I'm pretty sure George Clooney's Batman never had to fight off a shark while hanging off a ladder dangling from a helicopter.
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It's amazing how Highlander can be both such a gloriously trashy and beautiful film in alternating quotients.

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Blood Machines (shudder original)

It's a bigger-budget sequel to the excellent music video Turbo Killer:

https://youtu.be/er416Ad3R1g

The actual trailer for Blood Machines is not work safe.

I gotta admit I was disappointed. On the plus side, you'll see the entire female cast of the music video nude and floating through colored space. On the minus side, they don't actually deliver on the "cosmic opera" promised in the trailer until the very end. It starts out slow with lots of awkward dialog by non-english-speakers in surprisingly drab environs. And frankly the action at the very end is muddled and confusing and not nearly as exciting as the music video.

Oh well, I was hoping for another Turbo Kid. If you happen to have shudder for some other reason, it's worth a look if you enjoyed the music video. But I wouldn't get a shudder subscription just for Blood Machines.


I loved it, especially the open ended ending(and that godlike music).
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Batman Forever: **1/2

To be honest, I'm not sure what to think of this one. On one hand, Jim Carrey as the Riddler turns in his usual mid-Nineties nails-on-chalkboard performance and does plenty to drag this movie down. On the other hand, Tommy Lee Jones is actually pretty entertaining in the role of Two-Face, the major villain in this film. Meanwhile on the Bat-side Robin's origin story feels rather shoehorned in, and ultimately it doesn't feel like he really does anything useful anywhere in this film. All in all it feels like this film would have been better off just ditching the Riddler entirely and focusing on the Two-Face storyline. For as bad as Batman and Robin is, at least it's entertaining to watch as long as you're expecting a complete trainwreck going into it. This one mostly just feels mediocre, although it does have its moments.

With the recent news that Michael Keaton's version of Batman (in this case Bruce Wayne as a former Batman from an alternate universe) is being introduced into the DCEU films, it appears these two films will eventually end up struck from canon. I suspect there's a few people out there who would like these ones to be forgotten...

While You Were Sleeping: **1/2
Fairly average mid-Nineties rom-com where Sandra Bullock, as a transit worker, saves a commuter she has developed a crush on from an oncoming train after he is knocked unconscious by muggers and falls on the tracks, then convinces hospital workers she is his fiancé in order to see him in the hospital, which leads to her getting involved with his family while he spends several weeks in a coma. In the meantime she falls in love with his brother, and from there it just gets complicated. Then again, he's not the one with his name on the poster, so you can probably guess from there what happens.
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