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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:56 am 


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0PN's score is fantastic—there's one scene that is unmistakably reminiscent of the Akira score but in a completely different context. Overall I still prefer Good Time by a tiny margin, but only just.


Google was smart enough to make sure that tidbit made it into my phone. Very interesting, and I do like the fact that OPN was very forthcoming from where the inspiration came. Weird that it was in an Adam Sandler flick though.
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Yeah, but this isn't just any Sandler flick. He's a weird one, some completely unforgettable turns as a dramatic actor throughout his whole career punctuated by the worst decisions imaginable. He absolutely kills it with this movie though.
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I can't stand Adam Sandler's comedies, but the guy can really act when he wants to. I wish Uncut Gems had received a wider release. It isn't playing near me. Looks really good.
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In a perfect world, Sandler would have won best actor for Uncut Gems.

Color Out of Space - interesting adaptation that's reasonable faithful up till the the halfway point.
Stanley decided to tell the story from the perspective of the Gardner's as the events are unfolding, instead of decades later, twice removed, from a narrator who's getting his
info from a wizened old man. As a result, Stanley's adaptation is robbed of any mystery the novella had. He uses this to segway into second act: a bad trip where the 'entity'
is directly malevolent towards humans and livestock (contrasted with the story, where the emphasis is on the corruption of the land, vegetation and inhabitants.) The first half was well
done, and beautifully shot (filmed in Portugal). The second half is a colossal cluster fuck.

Stanley has two more HPL adaptations coming up. The next is The Dunwich Horror.


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Color Out Of Space (2019) Fractious Growing Pains household meets the gruesome b-horror of From Beyond, the ensuing tragedy garbed in thrumming, shimmering Annihilation raiment. Not as sober an adaptation as I'd like, as Nic Cage vehemently spikes an offending tomato into the garbage. Pardoning the sometimes flippant tone, a decently involving portrayal of cataclysmic star-spawned corruption. The Witch is a surer bet for getting the story's bleak disintegration on screen.

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Stanley has two more HPL adaptations coming up. The next is The Dunwich Horror.


I think he might do really well with Dunwich, given the relatively foolproof "scientists v alien" premise. Some of Color's effects undeniably recall John Carpenter's The Thing, but its handling of an innately more harrowing family dynamic didn't 100% grab me.

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Reserved in comparison to Cage losing his shit, at least :lol: (I really liked his unnatural, mechanistic movements in that sequence)


Rurouni Kenshin live action trilogy (2012-14) As a casual fan of the archetypally shonen manga, these were enjoyable. Unmistakably reverent adaptations. Watched purely on the strength of second film Kyoto Inferno's opening scene: the Luciferous debut of fan-favourite villain Shishio, opposite classically Mifunesque super-cop Saito.

While the cast overwhelmingly capture their source characters - Kenshin's gentle defiance and Saito's wry reserve in particular - the wickedly charismatic Shishio's actor lacks stature, at times appearing less monstrous revenant than bandaged, ailing, categorically fed-up rabbit. The performer and surrounding production totally sell his venomous Darwinism and inhuman prowess, regardless. Admirable translation of innately lightweight fighting manga fare to screen. I'd kill for a similarly good adaptation of Hokuto no Ken's Souther arc.
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I think he might do really well with Dunwich, given the relatively foolproof "scientists v alien" premise. Some of Color's effects undeniably recall John Carpenter's The Thing, but its handling of an innately more harrowing family dynamic didn't 100% grab me.


given his propensity to turn shit into Cronenbergs, he'll have ample opportunity in Dunwich, and regarding family dynamic... well shit, now we're dealing with the most deranged families in New England! We're probably in good hands.
I think he should stay well away from the larger bodies of work: The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath, The Case of Charles Dexter Ward, The Shadow Out of Time, etc

I'm hoping all this demonstrates to production companies that we are interested in HPL films, and Guillermo del Toro's pursuit to get funding for a Mountains of Madness adaptation is reignited. Why not SpectreVision? They're behind Stanley's trilogy.

I'm watching The Whisperer in Darkness tonight.


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Been a few years, but I remember loving Whisperer, finding it comparable to their earlier benchmark Call of Cthulhu. Authentically grim!

Incidentally, it seems Blumhouse is adapting "Frozen Hell," John W. Campbell's original manuscript of The Thing source novella Who Goes There.

I've no feels nor expectations whatsoever. Image But I like to check out Thing-adjacent stuff, even though Harbinger Down aka Inanimate (involving Thing 2011 SFX personnel, starring Lance Henriksen) goddamn near finished me off. If anyone's curious - don't bother, seriously. It's not even especially bad, let alone so bad it's good. Barring the always commanding presence of Mr. Henriksen, it's even less memorable than Thing 2011.

Watch classic Henriksen Tales from the Crypt turns Cutting Cards ("Park it yourself, asshole!") and Yellow ("He's yyyellaaah!") instead! Image

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Been a few years, but I remember loving Whisperer, finding it comparable to their earlier benchmark Call of Cthulhu. Authentically grim!

Incidentally, it seems Blumhouse is adapting "Frozen Hell," John W. Campbell's original manuscript of The Thing source novella Who Goes There.


Interesting, but yeah, not expecting much. At all. There's really not enough difference in the original Campbell story to distance itself from JC's The Thing in the first place, but methinks that's part of the reason to not get compared to Our Lord, Carpenter's film, and I guess that last attempt isn't really that old.

Regarding HP adaptations: I dunno if we'll ever get a good one. Obviously most of the Gordon stuff rules, but clearly different tone and such. Stanley's Hardware is good fun, but never great, which kind of sums up his career. I'd love a period rendition of something like Mountains, which maybe, maybe early Del Toro could have done if that actually transpired. I think his heart and fandom is in the right place, but his name is attached to too much junk, and that early creativity seems all but evaporated. Granted too I've stayed away from him for a while, but hard to shake the bitterness!


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maybe, maybe early Del Toro could have done if that actually transpired. I think his heart and fandom is in the right place, but his name is attached to too much junk,


I remember hearing somewhere once that Del Toro is one of the few names in Hollywood that will get the okay to do practical effects in your film instead of CGI, so there's a legit reason for him to loan his name to a bunch of up and comers who may disappoint. Kinda like how half the horror movies made in the late 90s were "Wes Craven presents."

I heard an interesting explanation the other day for why Hollywood prefers CGI to practical effects: it's easier to make post-test-screening changes after filming's done.
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I'd love a period rendition of something like Mountains, which maybe, maybe early Del Toro could have done if that actually transpired. I think his heart and fandom is in the right place, but his name is attached to too much junk, and that early creativity seems all but evaporated. Granted too I've stayed away from him for a while, but hard to shake the bitterness!


not sure how much stock i'd put into his names attachment to other(s) work; MM mentioned Wes Craven, but there was also Tarantino's 'seal of approval' slapped on all sorts of b-grade shit in the late 90's and early 00's and it had no bearing on his ability as a director or writer.. unless I'm missing your point. 8)

you mentioned Del Toro's most redeeming quality: he's a huge fan. In fact, and this is obvious speculation, maybe his desire to make MoM a period piece faithful to the source coupled with an adamant refusal to include cross-dimensional cosmic space battles is why he couldn't get funding. *shrug*.
I find it interesting the HPL adaptations this forum holds in the highest regard are typically of modest production values and acting caliber, but the most faithful; which I agree with.

edit: also wanted to share these two bbc podcasts: Whisper in the Darkness and The Case of Charles Dexter Ward, both have been reconfigured to be detective stories in a modern setting. Not as good as Dark Adventure Radio Theatre, but still excellent.


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I guess it's a mix of both for me, as I don't care about his own projects or anything he produces. And same with Tarantino and Rodriguez, whom I abhor. But I won't get into that because I've already done so ad nauseum in the past :lol:. I'll probably give Del Toro a shot again at some point (The Shape of Water seems original and interesting enough), but seeing him as director for a remake of Nightmare Alley makes me sour again.

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I find it interesting the adaptations this forum holds in the highest regard are typically of the lowest production and acting caliber, but the most faithful.


Generally curious, but in what regard? The Lovecraft adaptations I suppose?


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Generally curious, but in what regard? The Lovecraft adaptations I suppose?


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I heard an interesting explanation the other day for why Hollywood prefers CGI to practical effects: it's easier to make post-test-screening changes after filming's done.


I think it's just straight up cheaper. I'm sure once you're good you can make bank, but the programmers that do that work are probably grinding for a minimal salary.
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Dr No. Classic Bond. I enjoyed it quite a bit.
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Dang. I almost forgot about that game. Ordered! Funny thing is I have also been watching Godzilla movies (last one was invasion of the Astro Monster) and that monster almost looks like a mash up between the "dragon" in Dr. No and King Ghidorah (though the latter has three heads).


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Contagion (2011)

Life imitating art? I had seen this before and always thought it was pretty underrated. The GF hadn't so we cranked it up. Not a scientist by any stretch but I do wonder if we've reached a point where humankind can't be wiped out by disease. Obviously there are some w/ no cure (AIDS) that took a long time to at least treat, but infection is obviously limited.
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Uncut Gems. Superb. Adam Sandler! Who knew!

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It is a very different movie than Uncut Gems (which is on my list), but Reign Over Me also stars Sandler in a very non traditional Sandler role.
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It is a very different movie than Uncut Gems (which is on my list), but Reign Over Me also stars Sandler in a very non traditional Sandler role.


Obligatory.
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Whiplash (2014) A friend and jazz obsessive once excoriated this to me, chiefly for its dining out on the apocryphal tale of Jo Jones attempting to decapitate a 16y/o Bird Parker onstage (in reality, Jones kicked a cymbal stand over to get an oblivious Bird's attention). Not a very charitably musical film either, steeped in mechanistic repetition, abuse and outright violence ala Full Metal Jacket.

That said, Rocky's boxing ain't shit either, and This Is Spinal Tap is no less classic for its fictitiousness. Taken as fantasy, a bracing, perhaps cathartic tale of obsessive desire. Bonus points if you like JK Simmons' Oz work. It's practically Vern Schillinger Gaiden!
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It's practically Vern Schillinger Gaiden!


It's so weird seeing him in a role where he's actually compassionate.
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Saw the whole Godfather trilogy earlier last week for the first time ever. I might had seen bits and pieces of the movies before without knowing it, but for the most part I was mostly familiar with the series due to pop-culture osmosis than anything else. The first two movies are clear classics that compliment each other and while Part III does not hold up as well (being pretty much a rushed afterthought), it's more watchable than I was expecting it to be and almost made me regret that they never got around to filming the proposed fourth film that would've concluded Vincent Corleone's story arc (I felt there was more to his character than what was shown in Part III).

I was surprised to learn that the first two movies have so many unused scenes, that they re-edited them as a mini-series back in the late 70's, when Francis Ford Copolla was looking for investor to fund Apocalypse Now (which incidentally now has an even longer cut than the Redux edition). Really fascinating stuff.


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I was surprised to learn that the first two movies have so many unused scenes, that they re-edited them as a mini-series back in the late 70's, when Francis Ford Copolla was looking for investor to fund Apocalypse Now (which incidentally now has an even longer cut than the Redux edition). Really fascinating stuff.

How many version of the Godfather films are there?
I'd never know of the TV adaptations, apparently known as The Godfather Saga.
My first full viewing was The Godfather Epic, which was a 1981 remix of part 1 and 2 into a chronologically continuous film. What stood out to me (early 90s I think) was that I was looking for letterboxed VHS tapes and The Godfather Epic was the only version available in letterboxed format. At the time I didnt realize I was watching parts 1 and 2 together.
It was riveting, as they say.
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Appalonia's demise took me entirely by surprise and was the first time I'd shed a tear from a film.


Years later I'd watched the individual parts 1, 2 and 3. It could be first exposure bias, but I feel pretty strongly that the Epic remix is the best presentation of the story.


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How many version of the Godfather films are there?
I'd never know of the TV adaptations, apparently known as The Godfather Saga.


In terms of the individual films, Part 3 had a so-called "Final Director's Cut" which adds 9 minutes of new footage and is the version they released on Blu-ray and DVD as part of the "Coppola Restoration." Parts 1 and 2 only had theatrical cuts by themselves.

Otherwise, there's been quite a few re-edits of the first two movies made for television (as shown in the link I've posted), with later re-edits even incorporating Part 3, but none of them are currently available on DVD or Blu-ray. Apparently HBO aired an uncensored remastered cut of the Saga version not long ago.

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My first full viewing was The Godfather Epic, which was a 1981 remix of part 1 and 2 into a chronologically continuous film. What stood out to me (early 90s I think) was that I was looking for letterboxed VHS tapes and The Godfather Epic was the only version available in letterboxed format. At the time I didnt realize I was watching parts 1 and 2 together.
It was riveting, as they say.
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Appalonia's demise took me entirely by surprise and was the first time I'd shed a tear from a film.


Years later I'd watched the individual parts 1, 2 and 3. It could be first exposure bias, but I feel pretty strongly that the Epic remix is the best presentation of the story.


While I did enjoyed all three movies (even Part 3, with all its flaws), one aspect that disappointed me the most about the theatrical cuts (related to your spoiler) is that
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(even Part 3, with all its flaws)


Hey, you know what, suddenly I'm getting the hots thinking about two cousins rolling them gnocchi in flour with their bare nude hands for some reason or other. But maybe I shouldn't hate my hots, it affects my judgement. Instead give our best to Joey Zasa, will ya? On horesback.
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Godfather 3 was doomed from the start because the studio was being a dick to Coppola for some reason. He wanted 6 months to write the script, they gave him 6 weeks. He wanted the finale to be about Michael vs Tom Hagen, but the studio offered Robert Duvall so little money it was an insult, forcing them to come up with a whole different concept on the fly.

On top of all that, it definitely didn't help that Wynona Ryder backed out of playing Michael's daughter at the last minute, resulting in Coppola's daughter playing the role. I hate to be judgmental, but while I can understand Andy Garcia tossing aside a young Bridget Fonda and risking his position in the mob for Ryder, doing it for Sofia Coppola stretches credibility.

Godfather 3 is one of those movies that really benefits from youtube. It has some great scenes when viewed in isolation, but put together they're less than the sum of their parts.
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Next Monday at the Music Box I'll be seeing Disco Godfather, one of the Rudy Ray Moore movies that I all consider essentially the Dolemite saga.

I haven't seen the movie in 8 years, so it will be a great refresher. All I remember is that all of Rudy's non-dolemite movies tend to have real downer endings! I managed to get my siblings to join me for the fun too. My brother and I got together with friends to watch Petey Wheatstraw not too long ago, and that was a great deal of fun.

One thing that the Netflix movie gets a little wrong is it makes it look like Rudy was clueless about the quality of his movies. I mean, watch Petey Wheatstraw: Devil's Son-in-Law and all the goofy gags, silly faces, and slapstick makes it pretty clear that Rudy 'knew' exactly what he was doing. It doesn't change the general incompetence but I think he had a good sense of humor about it, vs. being oblivious to how lame his movies looked. It wants you to like Rudy, whereas he says in his movies "I am who I am and if you don't like that, then, confidentially, I don't give a damn." Confidence! It's all about confidence. In movies, ladies, and life.

That being said, I really liked the Netflix film as a feel-good story and I am glad to see others in this topic enjoyed it as well. It's not perfect, but it's probably one of the best Dolemite tributes you could ask for - a fictionalized take on his life centered around a fun Eddie Murphy performance. I'd recommend it! How often do you get a love-letter to Rudy Ray Moore?

I'm glad I get a chance to see a Rudy film in an appropriate venue - shitty seats and all.
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Hey, you know what, suddenly I'm getting the hots thinking about two cousins rolling them gnocchi in flour with their bare nude hands for some reason or other. But maybe I shouldn't hate my hots, it affects my judgement. Instead give our best to Joey Zasa, will ya? On horesback.


It's funny that Michael's issue with Vincent dating his daughter isn't the fact that they're first cousins, but that he's involved with the family's business.
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Godfather 3 was doomed from the start because the studio was being a dick to Coppola for some reason. He wanted 6 months to write the script, they gave him 6 weeks. He wanted the finale to be about Michael vs Tom Hagen, but the studio offered Robert Duvall so little money it was an insult, forcing them to come up with a whole different concept on the fly.

On top of all that, it definitely didn't help that Wynona Ryder backed out of playing Michael's daughter at the last minute, resulting in Coppola's daughter playing the role. I hate to be judgmental, but while I can understand Andy Garcia tossing aside a young Bridget Fonda and risking his position in the mob for Ryder, doing it for Sofia Coppola stretches credibility.

Godfather 3 is one of those movies that really benefits from youtube. It has some great scenes when viewed in isolation, but put together they're less than the sum of their parts.


I didn't find Sofia Coppola as annoying as I was expecting her to be. While her acting did leave a lot to be desired (especially that one last scene), I don't think having Winona Ryder would've made that much of an improvement to be honest. I remember a lot of people made fun of her and Keanu Reeves' performance in Bram Stoker's Dracula and that was also directed by Coppola.


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