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 Post subject: Re: Movies you've just watched
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:27 am 


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I'll take a crack off of that.

(First, TLDR; one word answer; TASTE)

Disclaimers;
I've never seen Titanic (1997) from start to finish in one sitting. Obviously, this is because I am drug free. I also have not seen the very end of the film.
Second, a little story;
I was born and raised at the ships last port of call.
One of the Centenary remembrances at the port, was an all ticket affair. On each of those tickets was printed the name of one of the passengers of the Titanic.
An attendee who took their children, told me that at the end of the night when leaving, ticket holders whose tickets held the name of a passenger allocated according to the attendees sex,
presented the ticket and were then informed (children and all) if they had perished or not.

All of which is, of course, in no way to say that there is anything wrong with making a film about the sinking.
A Night to Remember (1958) - Roy Ward Baker (from which Cameron lifted with abandon) is a favourite of mine. The "Cameronization" of it, is another thing altogether.

I think people recognise that this event is not like a generic war story, with which "artistic" licence can be taken.
The sinking is a very specific tragedy and I think some were put off by the idea of the "boy" DiCaprio, ring master Cameron, shrill sphincter mouthed Dion and James Horner,
making a three ringed circus out of it.

Now, if none of this is of the slightest concern and one is just judging the film on a check list of "what makes a good film", one can easily miss why many people would viscerally dislike the film.

So, no, ones "heart will not go on".
It went down 12,500 feet, in freezing waters, on a moonless night, 15 April 1912, to the bottom, 370 miles off Newfoundland and James Cameron can kiss my Irish arse.


Well I appreciate someone having a go at least.

So yes, Titanic quite heavily plagiarises A Night to Remember, although all things being equal neither of them holds claim over the sinking of a ship. With respect to the thematic and visual similarities, such a comparison don't a film critique make. You can still judge each by its merit or lack thereof.

"Taste" is a good argument, but not one that fits all. In this case, you need to lower your taste barometer's needle to the Commercial Hollywood rung before making judgement. Nobody is going to compare Titanic to something that's much higher brow; this is a film that falls in the same category as The Fugitive, Robin Hood Prince of Thieves and The Towering Inferno.

Regarding taste as in the movie being in 'bad taste', well yes, that's arguable. He created a romantic drama out of a real-life tradgedy. But seeing as love is in itself one of the most powerful forms of drama, heightening it with a situation of impending doom is a good, if cheap, trick. Personally I wouldn't let that cloud my judgement of the movie as entertainment, but I respect where you're coming from.

But what is it about the film as a piece of Hollywood commercial adventure storytelling that you think falls down? The two leads are well cast and give good performances. The dialogue, though manufactured around cliche scenarios, is good enough. The pacing is fine, the characterisation of its comic book heroes and villains is handled well enough, and the movie gets us invested in the fates of its cast through likeability factors. All importantly it's exciting. When the shit hits the fan Cameron and his editing and effects team engineered quite the spectacle.

Removing Celine from the equation, it's well scored and achieves the scale it sets out for: one of depicting a disaster of unbelivable proportions.

Most importantly it cooks its components into a fun ride. Nothing more, nothing less. Titanic is an entertaining movie. Me personally, I would have cut everything to do with the old bat and her harem of present day submariners, but regardless, it's still successful at what it sets out to do - and that includes the romantic element.

So on a blow by blow breakdown, taking all of this into consideration, and ignoring the 'I just don't like this type of movie' opinion - which you're entitled to - what exactly makes the film a failure as a film?

Indulge me, I'm honestly intrigued.
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I saw Black Panther. I liked it quite a bit, but it wasn't as good as Thor Ragnarok.


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what is it about the film as a piece of Hollywood commercial adventure storytelling that you think falls down?
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- what exactly makes the film a failure as a film?
Nothing. It is a success.
But the question I was answering in my post was;
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On a completely contrary note: I'll never understand why people hate Titanic to such a degree. Is it the schlocky nature of its premise? The manipulative nature of its drama?



I would add that Titanic (1997) is a "success" as a film, in the same way as McDonald's is a "success" in food, or Fentanyl is a "success" in medicine.

At the risk of being a bore, I must again say; "Taste".
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Yes, your McDonald's analogy is apt enough, except that McDonald's is the absolute gutter trash of cooked food, and Titanic is one of the best of its ilk. If it sat on the fast food tree it might be Pret a Manger.

What I'm getting at is that it's actually a pretty enjoyable, well made movie. I think nearly all the criticism leveled at it is based on some pre-conceived negativity that tends to surround multi Oscar winning movies or ones that are largely successful.

Considering the Oscars are a crock of shit that seems fair on paper, except some - like Gladiator - actually had some value, yet tend to be auto maligned because of their status.

I strongly disagree that Titanic is objectively a bad movie. It absolutely is not. And I also disagree that it's Cameron's worst. Based on the quality of its general components and assembly, I'd say it's got perhaps the fewest weaknesses out of everything he's ever made. That is to say, it's one of his best.
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Titanic is a fine movie, just not for me. Pretty sure this is what zen is feeling too.


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I think Cameron deserves a lot of points for going practical effects. At the time there was basically zero hipster cred for going that route, and most things were going full green screen.
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Skykid wrote:
On a completely contrary note: I'll never understand why people hate Titanic to such a degree.

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I think nearly all the criticism leveled at it is based on some pre-conceived negativity that tends to surround multi Oscar winning movies or ones that are largely successful.
If you were content with the later, you would not have asked the former.
And yet, as you say, some people hate it.

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And I also disagree that it's Cameron's worst.
Perhaps not. But maybe Cameron at his worst.

I can tell you that the film repulses me.
I am not alone in this and as you like your film, I have no doubt that you have had this discussion before.

I think that it is probable that people who dislike Titanic, also dislike Cameron.

To go back to the food metaphor; If you were served up a meal accompanied by a card enumerating the foods, by the numbers, balance - Protein, fats, minerals, vitamins - a complete meal,
where is the fault to be found? But the dish, is Scat tartare!
Well, again, it is down to a matter of taste.

It is not the completeness and balance of the meal that I am disputing. It is the meal itself. (hold on! I think we have had this discussion already)

I think that the answer to your initial question is not to be found in focusing on "film" alone.
Probably not the most satisfactory explanation but there it is.
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I hate Titanic because I was in high school when it came out and all the girls were obsessed with it, played the soundtrack nonstop during study hall in the music room, and our goddamn prom was Titanic-themed. It came out in the usual dumping ground of December so there was nothing else worth watching in theaters but Titanic over and OVER AND OVER AGAIN! The complete and total pop culture saturation of that movie left me scarred. Even now, decades later, I still have PTSD flashbacks if I hear Celine Dion's voice.

I enjoyed Kate Winslet's boobs.
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all the girls were obsessed with it

All teen magazines that year had DiCaprio on the cover, on huge posters, etc... :lol:
Never saw so much swoon since Johnny Depp in 21 Jump Street and Jason Priestley in Beverly Hills, 90210.
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A Night to Remember (1958) - Roy Ward Baker (from which Cameron lifted with abandon) is a favourite of mine.


The holiday movie where Fred MacMurray milked a cow? ;)

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Joking aside, A Night to Remember is one I would like to see, though I did like Remember the Night, the movie with Fred MacMurray, quite a bit.


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all the girls were obsessed with it

All teen magazines that year had DiCaprio on the cover, on huge posters, etc... :lol:
Never saw so much swoon since Johnny Depp in 21 Jump Street and Jason Priestley in Beverly Hills, 90210.


Really disliked DiCaprio back in the day too, course my sis loved him, so had to suffer a little (she loved Johnny Depp too, but was fine Depp since I never seen 21 Jump Street). Wasn't until the more recent movies that I became a DiCaprio fan, especially more so after seeing Django Unchained and The Wolf of Wall Streets (both really great films & DiCaprio performances). Shutter Island was interesting too, but the Revenant seems overrated to me, though fine for a single watch. Gangs of New York was good enough for a single watch too.

Basically when DiCaprio lost that strange pretty boy look he had in the 90s and started looking more mature was when I became fine with him and could take his performance serious.


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Rounders

Had seen it years ago and remembered little. It fits into the theme of "Ed Norton gets the snot kicked out of him in a late 90's movie".

All kidding aside it is amazing what can be accomplished sans special effects with a decent script and some good actors. Very enjoyable.
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Thor Ragnarok (2017)
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Wow, so many failed jokes. This really is Disney trying to cash in and transform Marvel movies into Guardian of the Galaxy formula. Seems to be a dumb down simple formula that best reaches the masses... and allow to crank these cash cows as fast and with as little thought/effort as possible, just like Star Wars.

Sadly, the best part for me was the Arena battle. Reminded me of that TMNT cartoon episode where the Turtles went to the Turtles planet, which had an arena battle to, hence the deja vu of old warm nostalgia. Loki actor/performance was the highlight as always, that Executioner guy from last two Riddick movies I always like, Thor was alright, and everyone else, meh.


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Zen wrote:
Perhaps not. But maybe Cameron at his worst.


You would need to back up that statement with an analysis of why. Otherwise I will disagree with you vehemently.

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I can tell you that the film repulses me.
I am not alone in this and as you like your film, I have no doubt that you have had this discussion before.


Yep. And I think the "repulses" aspect is the crux of your dislike for the film. You're allowed to be repulsed if that's the effect it has on you, but that doesn't change the level of craft and execution.

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I think that it is probable that people who dislike Titanic, also dislike Cameron.


I don't think so at all. Titanic suffers from disdain because of themes and blockbuster status. Something like Terminator doesn't have that tonal issue.

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I think that the answer to your initial question is not to be found in focusing on "film" alone.
Probably not the most satisfactory explanation but there it is.


Not really satisfactory, nor the extended food analogy. I'm looking for concrete analytical reasons based on film method that can tell me where it falls down. That means casting, dialogue, character development, characterisation, pacing, editing, cinematography, scoring, effects work, plotting and overall success of the themes.

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I hate Titanic because I was in high school when it came out and all the girls were obsessed with it, played the soundtrack nonstop during study hall in the music room, and our goddamn prom was Titanic-themed. It came out in the usual dumping ground of December so there was nothing else worth watching in theaters but Titanic over and OVER AND OVER AGAIN! The complete and total pop culture saturation of that movie left me scarred. Even now, decades later, I still have PTSD flashbacks if I hear Celine Dion's voice.

I enjoyed Kate Winslet's boobs.


This is the kind of honest response I was waiting for and exactly what I expected to hear, really. And it makes sense to me. I just don't get the criticism of the movie as being outright 'shit'.
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Really disliked DiCaprio back in the day too, course my sis loved him, so had to suffer a little (she loved Johnny Depp too, but was fine Depp since I never seen 21 Jump Street). Wasn't until the more recent movies that I became a DiCaprio fan, especially more so after seeing Django Unchained and The Wolf of Wall Streets (both really great films & DiCaprio performances). Shutter Island was interesting too, but the Revenant seems overrated to me, though fine for a single watch. Gangs of New York was good enough for a single watch too.

"The Departed" is a really good movie with him, too. I still say that Scorsese did more for him than anybody else, really.


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Cute little buggers.

I won't score this one. Because its not my taste in movies. It was a lucky dip.

Aliens want to find a planet where the women share common DNA with them for the purpose of breeding new aliens. The back story is that the home planet has a population crisis so the aliens have gone on scouting missions in space to find women to give birth so their population can grow. At the beginning of the movie the aliens find Earth and do a life scan and find lots of big breastie women and consider it the best place they have ever seen to impregnate women. Their first decision is to find a native host in which they can hide in plain sight, they choose the rabbit species. So imagine a movie where bear breasted Piranha type parties are happening and little rabbits attack with Alien hugger type moves. It always starts with the girl saying "Oh look at that cute rabbit", next thing the woman is attacked and taken to an incubation site, the men just die, usually in comical fashion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFJYsqjQjdc

Its so bad, you might actually like it. I chuckled a few times.
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You would need to back up that statement with an analysis of why. Otherwise I will disagree with you vehemently.
No problem.

He and it (Titanic) has nothing to say.
He and it have no artistic sensibilities whatsoever.
He and it are crass.
He and it are (obviously) derivative.
He and it are grotesquely manipulative at the lowest of tiers.
He and it are as sincere as P.T. Barnum.

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Yep. And I think the "repulses" aspect is the crux of your dislike for the film. You're allowed to be repulsed if that's the effect it has on you, but that doesn't change the level of craft and execution.
The repulsion that I feel, is certainly not limited to my subjective response to this film. If it was, this discussion would not have gotten started. It is common to vast numbers of people around the globe and "the level of craft and execution" does not change that fact one jot.

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I don't think so at all. Titanic suffers from disdain because of themes and blockbuster status. Something like Terminator doesn't have that tonal issue.
I disagree. I think that the people that loathe Titanic, are pretty much the same people that despise Avatar (and will despise Avatar 2 and Avatar 3 and Avatar 4 and not forgetting, of course, Avatar 5) and the rest of his hyper cheesy output.
And put that Terminator card back in the pack. It doesn't count, as if features the "Tree that walks as a Man".

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Not really satisfactory, nor the extended food analogy. I'm looking for concrete analytical reasons based on film method that can tell me where it falls down. That means casting, dialogue, character development, characterisation, pacing, editing, cinematography, scoring, effects work, plotting and overall success of the themes.
Are you are stating or merely positing, that a film with all of its component parts correctly and perfectly in place, can not be a bad film? Because if you are stating this as fact, this is where we fundamentally disagree.
Hollywood best invest in A.I directors, if you are correct, as it will allow them to make "perfect" films, resulting in mega successful releases and save them a fortune on directors to boot.



Re. your response to Mischief Maker;
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This is the kind of honest response I was waiting for and exactly what I expected to hear, really. And it makes sense to me. I just don't get the criticism of the movie as being outright 'shit'.
Well!
Your question of;
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On a completely contrary note: I'll never understand why people hate Titanic to such a degree.
is finally, honestly and more importantly, palatably answered then, is it not? :wink:
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I hate Titanic because I was in high school when it came out and all the girls were obsessed with it, played the soundtrack nonstop during study hall in the music room, and our goddamn prom was Titanic-themed. It came out in the usual dumping ground of December so there was nothing else worth watching in theaters but Titanic over and OVER AND OVER AGAIN! The complete and total pop culture saturation of that movie left me scarred. Even now, decades later, I still have PTSD flashbacks if I hear Celine Dion's voice.


lol. did we go to the same school? i can do you one better tho: same age, same time, same experience--but I was in choir and we had to do a singing+jazzhands performance for the school to My Heart Will Go On...

i'd have ditched it but i was already nearly failing out of high school and couldnt take the hit

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He and it (Titanic) has nothing to say.


As previously established, it's a commercial Hollywood adventure movie. It is superficial and intended to be. It doesn't need to say anything in the same way Aliens doesn't need to say anything - it's simply entertainment for the sake of it. As mentioned right off the bat, this kind of movie is not comparable with films that do have something to say, and therefore needs judging within its field.

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He and it have no artistic sensibilities whatsoever.


Not strictly true. There are elements of artistry in many facets of its composition, from the structure, shooting and general creation of sequences that offer motion (one of Cameron's fortes), to editing (which is rather good as it happens) and certain conceptual achievements that made it to film. It's not high art, but it's also not a barren wasteland.


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He and it are crass.
He and it are (obviously) derivative.
He and it are grotesquely manipulative at the lowest of tiers.
He and it are as sincere as P.T. Barnum.


This is part of your previous argument and we covered it. How distasteful or crass you consider it to be is entirely your right, although I personally think you're exaggerating somewhat.


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I despise Avatar vehemently, but don't despise Titanic. Side by side I think they're a gulf apart in terms of quality. Avatar fails in so many fundamental areas as a credible piece of Hollywood commercial film it's appalling; nay, embarrassing. Titanic doesn't really suffer those problems, it's much more elegantly put together and, well, less utterly fucking stupid.

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Are you are stating or merely positing, that a film with all of its component parts correctly and perfectly in place, can not be a bad film?


No, I'm positing that a film that manages to achieve all of the things mentioned to some degree of success stands a far better chance of achieving what it sets out to do. Unlike Avatar, which is ear garbage, poorly cast, half-baked nonsense, and therefore fails the respective first hurdle, Titanic is more in control of its execution and therefore far superior an end result.

Movie making isn't mechanical, it is the sum of myriad creative endeavors helmed by one creative visionary who hopefully is well read on his/her profession and therefore can manage all aspects of the production with some degree of competence. You can have a brilliant director working with a shitty script and no matter how well he does with the material, it's never going to stop being a shitty script.
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lol. did we go to the same school? i can do you one better tho: same age, same time, same experience--but I was in choir and we had to do a singing+jazzhands performance for the school to My Heart Will Go On...

i'd have ditched it but i was already nearly failing out of high school and couldnt take the hit

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Cute little buggers.

I won't score this one. Because its not my taste in movies. It was a lucky dip.

Aliens want to find a planet where the women share common DNA with them for the purpose of breeding new aliens. The back story is that the home planet has a population crisis so the aliens have gone on scouting missions in space to find women to give birth so their population can grow. At the beginning of the movie the aliens find Earth and do a life scan and find lots of big breastie women and consider it the best place they have ever seen to impregnate women. Their first decision is to find a native host in which they can hide in plain sight, they choose the rabbit species. So imagine a movie where bear breasted Piranha type parties are happening and little rabbits attack with Alien hugger type moves. It always starts with the girl saying "Oh look at that cute rabbit", next thing the woman is attacked and taken to an incubation site, the men just die, usually in comical fashion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFJYsqjQjdc

Its so bad, you might actually like it. I chuckled a few times.


Bahahahahaha.

I might have to give this a go. I watched a couple absolutely terrible 80s horror b movies recently. Blood Diner and Chopping Mall.


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lol. did we go to the same school? i can do you one better tho: same age, same time, same experience--but I was in choir and we had to do a singing+jazzhands performance for the school to My Heart Will Go On...


We're gonna need a Youtube link to this...
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It has been awhile since I have seen Titanic, but from what I remember of it, I rather see A Night to Remember than ever see Titantic again. I also liked that Futurama episode that made fun of Titanic.


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I hate Titanic because I was in high school when it came out and all the girls were obsessed with it, played the soundtrack nonstop during study hall in the music room, and our goddamn prom was Titanic-themed. It came out in the usual dumping ground of December so there was nothing else worth watching in theaters but Titanic over and OVER AND OVER AGAIN! The complete and total pop culture saturation of that movie left me scarred. Even now, decades later, I still have PTSD flashbacks if I hear Celine Dion's voice.

I enjoyed Kate Winslet's boobs.


This is the kind of honest response I was waiting for and exactly what I expected to hear, really. And it makes sense to me. I just don't get the criticism of the movie as being outright 'shit'.


A similar argument could be made about the treatment of "Water World" which is perfectly fine as far as Road Warrior wannabes go, but the public was pissed at Kevin Costner for a variety of reasons, especially phoning in the lead role in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves. If Christian Slater is out-acting you, you're in serious trouble.
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Mischief Maker wrote:
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I hate Titanic because I was in high school when it came out and all the girls were obsessed with it, played the soundtrack nonstop during study hall in the music room, and our goddamn prom was Titanic-themed. It came out in the usual dumping ground of December so there was nothing else worth watching in theaters but Titanic over and OVER AND OVER AGAIN! The complete and total pop culture saturation of that movie left me scarred. Even now, decades later, I still have PTSD flashbacks if I hear Celine Dion's voice.

I enjoyed Kate Winslet's boobs.


This is the kind of honest response I was waiting for and exactly what I expected to hear, really. And it makes sense to me. I just don't get the criticism of the movie as being outright 'shit'.


A similar argument could be made about the treatment of "Water World" which is perfectly fine as far as Road Warrior wannabes go, but the public was pissed at Kevin Costner for a variety of reasons, especially phoning in the lead role in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves. If Christian Slater is out-acting you, you're in serious trouble.


I saw Waterworld in the theatre and remember enjoying it for what it was. I think that one's main criticism was that it was the most expensive movie ever made at the time and didn't meet people's expectations, which isn't really a valid criticism. If you just wanted a Mad Max rip on water with rafts instead of bikes, it was passable popcorn disposability.

It's not hard to out act Kevin Costner. Such a feat has been performed by background extras.
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I despise Avatar vehemently, but don't despise Titanic. Side by side I think they're a gulf apart in terms of quality. Avatar fails in so many fundamental areas as a credible piece of Hollywood commercial film it's appalling; nay, embarrassing.


You know, I've got no love for "Avatar", as a movie. There are many, many reasons (quite legitimate, mind you) why that's so, but I will tell you that if you didn't see it in the theater, in IMAX 3D, there's a patently unfair missing component of that movie for you. I really can't think of any other commercial movie project that I can legitimately say this about, but the whizbangery of the special effects was so absolutely mesmerizing, just completely unsurpassed even to this day, that I'll never *completely* disown it. It's honestly got jaw-dropping special effects moments that were well worth the price of admission, and *man alive* was that an expensive movie to see in IMAX 3D.

"Avatar" is, in many ways, awful, but Cameron's special effects for that project remain unsurpassed, and I don't see anything in the near future that's going to knock it off its pedestal.

That's one reason I don't completely dismiss "Titanic" as complete dreck, myself: not only have I never actually watched it (still have no desire to), but I've never seen it as it was *truly meant/designed* to be seen. That does make a difference.


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I liked Avatar, the TV series, though I heard nothing but terrible things about the movie based on it, The Last Airbender. As for that other Avatar, it had some nice visuals, but it was not very original. Unobtainum? Really?

From what I remember of Prince of Thieves, it wasn't nearly as fun as Errol Flynn's take on Robin Hood, the Disney Robin Hood, or Men in Tights.


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Skykid wrote:
I despise Avatar vehemently, but don't despise Titanic. Side by side I think they're a gulf apart in terms of quality. Avatar fails in so many fundamental areas as a credible piece of Hollywood commercial film it's appalling; nay, embarrassing.


You know, I've got no love for "Avatar", as a movie. There are many, many reasons (quite legitimate, mind you) why that's so, but I will tell you that if you didn't see it in the theater, in IMAX 3D, there's a patently unfair missing component of that movie for you. I really can't think of any other commercial movie project that I can legitimately say this about, but the whizbangery of the special effects was so absolutely mesmerizing, just completely unsurpassed even to this day, that I'll never *completely* disown it. It's honestly got jaw-dropping special effects moments that were well worth the price of admission, and *man alive* was that an expensive movie to see in IMAX 3D.

"Avatar" is, in many ways, awful, but Cameron's special effects for that project remain unsurpassed, and I don't see anything in the near future that's going to knock it off its pedestal.

That's one reason I don't completely dismiss "Titanic" as complete dreck, myself: not only have I never actually watched it (still have no desire to), but I've never seen it as it was *truly meant/designed* to be seen. That does make a difference.


I saw Avatar in the largest screen in the theater in 3D. At the time I remember thinking that some of the effects were nice, but didn't live up to the hype surrounding them. I thought generally it was embarrassingly awful in most other areas and made me wonder what happened to Cameron's brain.

The only recent movie I felt was elevated by a theatre experience and used special effects in an incredibly smart way was Gravity (and that's in spite of its often horrible dialogue).
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I've just seen Death Wish.


With Bruce Willis? Was it satisfying?
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