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boagman wrote:I just want to take a moment to say that I think you guys can really be too rough on Ridley Scott. How many major, terrific movies do you really expect one guy to make in a lifetime? Are you as critical in the same way as, say, Spielberg? I don't think that you are, and man: can that guy produce some duds as well.
I had a bit of a rant on Spielberg in my original post about Scott, but deleted it. However, I will say this about him. For me, everything since ET has been mediocre as best. Look at his run up until ET, the only misstep was 1943. After ET he wants to be taken seriously as a filmmaker, so he does The Colour Purple... He gets some kids and becomes overly sentimental in everything he touches.

I don't like his films, but love Raiders, Jaws, ET, Duel, Close Encounters. All fantastic.
Have you seen this episode of Columbo? If so, what did you think? It was one of Spielberg's early directing jobs and I found it to be a good episode.
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Vexorg wrote:DodgeBall: ***

Another Unapologetically vulgar and unapologetically dumb Ben Stiller movie in the vein of Zoolander. Vince Vaughn leads the cliched team of misfits that enters a Dodgeball tournament to save their gym from Ben Stiller's cartoonishly evil meathead character trying to run them out of business. The result is a rather thorough deconstruction of the sports movie genre that could probably only be made stupider than it already is by adding Will Ferrell to the cast. It makes for a decent hour and a half of mindless entertainment though, and reviewed surprisingly well (70% on Rotten Tomatoes) and did pretty well in the box office $167.7m on a $20m budget.)
So that's three stars out of...how many, exactly?
3 out of 5, which I would consider roughly average overall.
Hmm. I actually liked the comedy of "Dodgeball" quite a bit. Rip Torn really elevated the whole thing from being a bit too..."something" to really kicking into the funny zone for me. I think that without him, I'd have been disappointed in the comic aspect of the movie, but *with* him? He certainly provided the biggest laughs for me, and made everything (and everyone) else be better in their comic effect. It's dumb-guy comedy, sure, but it's a pretty funny dumb-guy comedy, and pretty rewatchable to me.
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Going back to the subject of Ridley Scott, this video pretty much sums how much of an ego he has.

Say what you will about Elysium and Chappie or that Blomkamp only knows how to make one type of film, but his Alien Xeno pitch at least had some vision to it. Ridley on the other hand has no idea what he wants with the Alien franchise and it's obvious he pulled the plug on Alien Xeno out of professional envy, knowing full well that Blomkamp's pitch not only revitalized interest in the series, but was actually overshadowing Ridley's planned Prometheus sequel due to the lukewarm reception of the first film.
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Dodgeball is good fun and I enjoyed it for what it is. One of the better idiot comedies imo.
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Zen wrote:
FinalBaton wrote:Ha, does this count as a recommendation? :wink:
Ummm . . .
Yes! I was asking for recommendations
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FinalBaton wrote:
Zen wrote:
FinalBaton wrote:Ha, does this count as a recommendation? :wink:
Ummm . . .
Yes! I was asking for recommendations
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Whoops! Don't know how that happened. I meant to quote EmperorIng. Fixed now.
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Sinful wrote:Anyway, here's a nice video perfectly breaking down a director who knows what he's doing. It's titled; "Camera Angles and Movement: Sergio Leone, Tavern scene, Once Upon a Time in the West"
https://youtu.be/rHlkX8XTJRQ

Sergio Leone is the master of pure cinema.
That was an interesting video, thanks for sharing. Speaking of Sergio Leone:

My Name Is Nobody (1973)
It was nice, nothing grand but still very watchable. Fonda and Hill went well together.
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Jonny2x4 wrote: Say what you will about Elysium and Chappie or that Blomkamp only knows how to make one type of film, but his Alien Xeno pitch at least had some vision to it. Ridley on the other hand has no idea what he wants with the Alien franchise and it's obvious he pulled the plug on Alien Xeno out of professional envy, knowing full well that Blomkamp's pitch not only revitalized interest in the series, but was actually overshadowing Ridley's planned Prometheus sequel due to the lukewarm reception of the first film.
The problem is is that Blomkamp has style and the occasional stroke of action panache and I dig his bleak near-future aesthetic, but he often fails to make a decent film where everything else is concerned. Sadly, based on his track record, I'm not sure his Alien would have been any different.

For what it's worth he did publicly state that he fucked Elysium up, and I respect him for that (because it's trash in so many ways). Chappie was better, but still had issues.
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Again, you guys are comparing Ridley to script writing skills only. You want only writing skills, stick to books.
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Sinful wrote:Again, you guys are comparing Ridley to script writing skills only. You want only writing skills, stick to books.
Why bother with film in the first place then?
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A director that can do it all like James Cameron is best, but in this case Ridley not being that good with writing doesn't automatically equal a none talented director. He just needs better scripts and magic can still happen, is my point. After all, film is still visual storytelling, not just writing with the rest left to your imagination. And Ridley is looked up to when it comes to visual directing.
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BrianC wrote:
Have you seen this episode of Columbo? If so, what did you think? It was one of Spielberg's early directing jobs and I found it to be a good episode.
Yes, that's a great episode. It was supposed to be the second one aired but they put it on first because it was so good. Jack Cassidy is one if the best villians, he appeared in 3 episodes in the 70's run.

I think some of those early Columbos are quite cinematic, they had some interesting directors on them.
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Sinful wrote:A director that can do it all like James Cameron is best,
James Cameron can write?

EDIT: Obviously he has written a couple of his better films, but that's like saying Ridley Scott is a fantastic director b/c he directed two masterpieces.
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[quote="Sinful"]A director that can do it all like James Cameron is best quote]

Oh come on, that guy lost his mojo a long time ago. Titanic was a clicheed snoozefest and Avatar was Dances with Smurfs with some halfway decent action scenes (which included too much CGI to have any kind of real impact) and painfully clicheed noble savage bullshit/ primitive pro-environment ideology rammed down the viewer's throat. Plus it looks like a fucking PS4 game. No comparison to the gritty shit he did twenty to thirty years ago. Also, that Alita trailer makes the film unwatchable...
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Sinful wrote:A director that can do it all like James Cameron
Holy crap, what a faux pas!
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this guy never seen pirahna 2 :lol:
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GaijinPunch wrote:
Sinful wrote:A director that can do it all like James Cameron is best,
James Cameron can write?

EDIT: Obviously he has written a couple of his better films, but that's like saying Ridley Scott is a fantastic director b/c he directed two masterpieces.
Said he can do it all, not that he was the best writer ever.
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Sinful wrote:A director that can do it all like James Cameron
Holy crap, what a faux pas!
Don't know what you're getting at. Just said he's basically a director that can do it all except music and creating cgi on a computer. He can;

- draw/paint very well (even did some matte paintings for Escape from New York)
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- can storyboard + draw it himself
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- can draw/design things for his movies (Terminator exoskeleton was his design, down to every piece according to Stan Winston & Cameron drawings)
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- the first thing he did when he decided to get into movies was buy a movie camera and take it apart because he wanted to know everything about how it works (he's that much of a perfectionist) and now he's designed and designing new camera technology
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- knows about practical effects and how to plan for them and draw it out on paper (how he got his foot in the movie industry door, if I recall correctly)
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- knows how to get a movie done on time and on budget (basically has everything perfectly envisioned from beginning to end across all areas)
- can write (wrote Terminator, Aliens, Terminator 2)
- can write and direct actions scenes like no other. He also wrote first draft of Rambo 2 before Stallone heavily rewrote it that Cameron didn't recognize it anymore, but did recognize all the cool action scenes the crowds were cheering at ;)
- notice how his older films like Terminator 2 & True lies looks so crisp/clear and without film scratches and dirt on the film compared to other films? Well... lets just say you can't fool James Cameron
- has balls (film crew refused to film helicopter going under bridge scene in T2, so James Cameron himself got behind the camera for that one) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrcWkwvUHdU
- can film edit
- etc.

If you can find a director that is more the total package and knows more about everyone's jobs on a movie making set, let me know. Because from what I know, all other directors are far more compartmentalized by comparison and as a result not near in control & talented in every aspect of movie making. Basically if Cameron could clone himself many times, that's basically all the crew that would be needed to make a really great movie.

When Cameron envisions a movie, he fully envision it from ground up. This is why his movies come out exactly how he envisioned them.
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Probably the reason Ridley Scott is such an accomplished visual director is b/c he famously storyboards... or at least did... apparently the whole Alien movie before production started, or something to that effect. Ridley can "do it all" - he just sucks at writing. James Cameron I would say is only moderately better at that.
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Ridley Scott still storyboards everything fully before starting anything according to the last interview I read from him where he also talks about the Last Jedi Star Wars disaster.
How do you do it?

You plan, you know exactly what it will look like, and I think it helps me enormously that I still do something as basic as storyboard my own stuff. It forces me, on paper, to make decisions. My boards are now insured for $6 million! I literally draw “wide shot,” “medium cross,” “long shot,” in detail. I’ll get a great frame, snap my fingers, and move on to the next one. You’re filming on paper before you even begin, so when I walk on set, I know exactly what I’m going to do. That gives me a confidence with the actors, and the actors smell it.
Source; http://www.vulture.com/2017/12/ridley-s ... hoots.html
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lots of b-movie people i would consider flawless for my own personal tastes.. no titanics,avatarsor pirana 2s to their name

robert tai would be one off the top of the head
https://worldfilmgeek.com/2017/08/22/a- ... 1953-2017/

obviously will never have the mainstream appeal of cameron but in his field he is the don and has done pretty much every job available and done it well
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charlie chong wrote:lots of b-movie people i would consider flawless for my own personal tastes.. no titanics,avatarsor pirana 2s to their name

robert tai would be one off the top of the head
https://worldfilmgeek.com/2017/08/22/a- ... 1953-2017/
Missing the point of my James Cameron post.

And Piranha 2 isn't a James Cameron flick. He's true first film was The Terminator.
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he directs and does all the other stuff as well and has no stinkers to his name.
piranha 2 Directed by James Cameron, he can pretend he didnt direct it but he did
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charlie chong wrote:he directs and does all the other stuff as well and has no stinkers to his name.
piranha 2 Directed by James Cameron, he can pretend he didnt direct it but he did
Go look deeper into the making of Piranha 2.

How about you provide some info on your director doing all this?
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do i have to trawl the internet just to get links and shit?? he didn't direct a lot of films.(he did a fair few though) but has done everything from choreography to set design,stunts bla bla .. he worked on all the best shaw bros films. and TITANIC makes cameron lose by default but thats just my opinion.

cameron is probably the best mainstream action guy no doubt but like i say there are quite a few b movie guys who i consider flawless in that field.

carpenter is up there with cameron in the do it all style and overall quality but he has some real bad stinkers
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one point i have to give to sinful is there is no real writing in kung fu flicks :oops: i lose
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No, you don't have to trawl the internet just to get links. I'll keep the director name in mind and check him out myself one of these days, thanks for the suggestion.
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no worries i am a bit tetchy today due to being stalked on twitter by a man more crazy than myself :shock:
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So what if Cameron directed Pirahna 2? (He didn't, but that's besides the point). Terminator 2 is such an awesome movie that it automatically forgives Cameron from any cinematic misdoing he has done in the past and future. Well almost (Jamie Lee Curtis' strip scene in True Lies was way scarier than anything from the Halloween series).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcOWMohYTVo
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Y'all are talking like Pirahna II isn't something to be proud of. Flying pirahna? It's so mad it's brilliant.
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charlie chong wrote:TITANIC makes cameron lose by default
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