Sega Genesis Collection is out today

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:34 am

A very quiet release, if I'm not mistaken; my copy's in the mail. Anybody played it yet? I'm assuming the obligatory sound issues are there as well as save states, but are quick saves there (temporary RAM saves) as well? And how does it look?

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:05 am

I've heard about this, but I'm too tired atm to remember what's on it.

Pixel_Outlaw · Post by **Pixel_Outlaw** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:04 am

*= Games I have for the actual console.

Full Game List:
Alex Kidd in the Enchanted Castle
Altered Beast *
Bonanza Bros.
Columns *
Comix Zone
Decap Attack starring Chuck D. Head
Ecco the Dolphin *
Ecco II: The Tides of Time
Ecco Jr. *
Kid Chameleon
Flicky
Gain Ground
Golden Axe I *
Golden Axe II
Golden Axe III
Phantasy Star II *
Phantasy Star III: Generations of Doom *
Phantasy Star IV: The End of the Millenium
Ristar
Shadow Dancer: The Secret of Shinobi *
Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master * (LOVE THIS GAME)
Sonic the Hedgehog *
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 *
Super Thunder Blade
Sword of Vermilion *
Vectorman *
Vectorman 2 *
Virtua Fighter 2 *

(From the website)

I have so many of those already....

On a side note Capcom is also doing another arcade compilation.

dial911 · Post by **dial911** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:08 am

Is it just me or is Vectorman on pretty much every SEGA collection.

Pixel_Outlaw · Post by **Pixel_Outlaw** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:11 am

Heaven forbid they have some shmups in there

Genesis was home to some of the best...

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:18 am

I will join the cries heard on gamefaqs - this selection is lame at best, and the only redeeming hope is if Sega is planning a volume 2 with the Shining Forces, the rest of Shinobi and the Bare Knuckles.

That said, if the emulation is spotless as in Gunstar Treasure Box, I'll support this release, if only for Phantasy Star IV...

edit: developed by Backbone Entertainment?? O_o Now I definitely wait for some hands-on impressions...

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:25 am

Pixel_Outlaw wrote: Alex Kidd in the Enchanted Castle
Altered Beast *
Bonanza Bros.
Columns *
Comix Zone
Ecco the Dolphin *
Ecco II: The Tides of Time
Ecco Jr. *
Kid Chameleon
Flicky
Golden Axe I *
Golden Axe III
Phantasy Star II *
Phantasy Star III: Generations of Doom *
Shadow Dancer: The Secret of Shinobi *
Super Thunder Blade
Sword of Vermilion *
Vectorman *
Vectorman 2 *
Virtua Fighter 2 *

These are all pretty lame.

Decap Attack starring Chuck D. Head
Gain Ground
Golden Axe II
Phantasy Star IV: The End of the Millenium
Ristar
Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master * (LOVE THIS GAME)
Sonic the Hedgehog *
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 *

Good - classic. Not that Ristar and Sonics aren't already on a few comps. I think it's worth it if you don't have GG, PS4, Shinobi 3, a Genesis or a Genesis emulator.

They should really go with fan voting for these types of things.

I think, it may turn out just as bland.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:32 am

I would completely agree Rob, except I'd swap Golden Axe and Golden Axe II in place. What's more to like in II? The original is still the best...

By the way, Shadow Dancer seems to be missing from the European version.

US:
http://www.sega.com/games/game_temp.php ... p_gamelist

EU:
http://www.sega-europe.com/en/Game/364.htm

Play.com:
http://play.com/Games/PlayStation2/4-/1 ... oduct.html

Why the didn't include Golden Axe I and II arcade while they were there, instead of the Altered Beast coin-op is beyond me...

Andi · Post by **Andi** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:06 am

Gain Ground is a nice game. It's pretty obscure from what I understood. I'm surprised it's one there.

shinsage · Post by **shinsage** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:28 am

Shadow Dancer>Shinobi III

Not buying this collection because the only games I want to play on there are Ristar and Golden Axe III.

The inclusion of Super Thunder Blade and exclusion of every Streets of Rage is killing me.

ahnslaught · Post by **ahnslaught** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:49 am

I actually think this is one of the best retro comp packs around...true, there are some obvious "mehs," but I can't name a single retro pack with this many games that are all A+ titles (ex. Taito Memories 2, which has a bunch of downright unplayable games along with stuff like Gun Frontier, etc.). The good ones are damn good, like PS4 and the two Shinobi games, and I know I'll spend good time with them.

SuperGrafx · Post by **SuperGrafx** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:51 pm

How is the sound quality on this particular collection?

I've sort of stayed away from Genesis collections ever since I bought the Dreamcast Smashpack which featured lame SMS-quality sound. Just terrible...listen to how butchered Golden Axe's BGM is --ugh!

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:04 pm

shinsage wrote:The inclusion of Super Thunder Blade and exclusion of every Streets of Rage is killing me.

Get the Japanese version of Sonic Gems. All three Bare Knuckles on one disc.. and the audio isn't completely screwed up. In fact, some of it sounds resampled.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:36 pm

I'm interested in how the hidden arcade games in the collection turned out. Future Spy, Tac-Scan, and Zaxxon!

VNAF Ace · Post by **VNAF Ace** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:09 pm

No After Burner, Hang-On, or OutRun!?

Daigohji · Post by **Daigohji** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:52 pm

Ah, son of a...

I was looking forward to this, but the UK version has been delayed from 17th Nov to 26th Jan. Another one to import, maybe

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:13 am

Kiken wrote:
shinsage wrote:The inclusion of Super Thunder Blade and exclusion of every Streets of Rage is killing me.
Get the Japanese version of Sonic Gems. All three Bare Knuckles on one disc.. and the audio isn't completely screwed up. In fact, some of it sounds resampled.

Yeah, you get everything in Sonic Gems Collection. In Bare Knuckle I&II, there's an additional one-button trigger to perform the B+C back attack. And of course, you get the original JP version of Bare Knuckle III.

lynchesque · Post by **lynchesque** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:35 am

Who in the hell compiles these lackluster lists of games for god sakes? These are titles that most sega fans have already had for years; and if they don't, most of them are cheap as hell anyway...What's the point? I can only assume that they must be shooting for games with name recognition, even though they were pretty much always a niche company.

How about a compilation with rare jp and pal titles, now that would f'n sell; at least on places like this. I'm a real sega fan, but I've never seen a manufacturer consistently make so many questionable moves in my life...

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:55 am

lynchesque wrote:Who in the hell compiles these lackluster lists of games for god sakes?

Sir Lin is one of the individuals involved.

Alpolio · Post by **Alpolio** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:39 am

I think that Sega excluded Streets of Rage so they'll avoid that dreaded "Teen" rating. They dropped it from Sonic Gems for the same reason.

http://www.totalvideogames.com/news/Str ... 4857_0.htm

Reports had suggested that the decision to drop Streets of Rage from the Western line-up was down to the violent nature of the game and would increase the age rating of the collection.

Companies that try to be "PC" all the time really annoy the crap out of me.

shinsage · Post by **shinsage** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:57 am

Crazy, can't believe I forgot about that. That was part of the reason I started to hate Sega, for bending over to appeal to soccer moms.

It would rock considerate amounts of face if Sega did do a collection of their arcade games. I keep hearing Shadow Dancer arcade is better than the port, but I refuse to believe!

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:53 am

Alpolio wrote:I think that Sega excluded Streets of Rage so they'll avoid that dreaded "Teen" rating. They dropped it from Sonic Gems for the same reason.

Umm....SEGA Genesis Collection IS rated "Teen".

Melf · Post by **Melf** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:15 pm

SoR is not on the collection so that it could maintain a teen rating. I interviewed one of the associate producers and asked him that very question.

I still don't know how hacking people to death in Golden Axe is acceptable, but beating them up in SoR gets you an "M" rating.

GateofThunderforceIII · Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:24 pm

Eh, I prefer the home version of Shadow Dancer. It was the first game that I was super obsessed over and thought it was the coolest thing in the universe when it first came out. Still, a home port of the arcade version would be nice.

This may be old news to die hard Shinobi fans, but I've always felt that Shinobi was split in two different series:

Shinobi-arcade, then Shadow Dancer (arcade or MD version)

Revenge of Shinobi, then Shinobi III, then Shin Shinobi Den (if you want to count that)

Two totally different gameplay styles.

Xexyz · Post by **Xexyz** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:26 pm

It's pretty obvious that popular obmissions like the Shining Force series and Streets of Rage series, Toejam & Earl, Sonic 3 and S&K have been left out for future Genesis compilation volumes. They need to save some of the high profile titles to sell (hopefully) another volume.

There is a bit of meh in this compilation, but I can't complain. Some people have very high standards around here I've noticed. No love at all for Revenge of Shinobi, Shadow Dancer, Bonanza Brothers, Ristar, Alex Kidd in the Enchanted Castle, Super Thunder Blade, DecapAttack, Sword of Vermillion, etc.? They're not the greatest, but they're still pretty fun.

Personally, I like how the compilation mixes high profile titles with some obscure, lesser known titles. Get it to sell with popular titles, and give the buyers a pleasant surprise when they find out some of the lesser known games are actually good. It gives people the chance to experience overlooked gems like Gain Ground and DecapAttack.

Battlesmurf · Post by **Battlesmurf** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:36 pm

lol..i dunno about you guys....but quickie little comment- play the arcade version of shadow dancer then the port- I loved the port and was okay with the arcade- didn't wow me.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:09 pm

Xexyz wrote:No love at all for Revenge of Shinobi, Shadow Dancer, Bonanza Brothers, Ristar, Alex Kidd in the Enchanted Castle, Super Thunder Blade, DecapAttack, Sword of Vermillion, etc.?

What the? Where did you get the impression people don't love Ristar and Revenge of Shinobi? Lumping games like Super Thunder Blade and Sword of Vermillion in with them is a major foul. THOSE suck. I even put Decapattack on my good list.

CecilMcW00t · Post by **CecilMcW00t** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:55 am

Sigh, I really want to like this collection... My main problem with it are the many sound glitches and weird programming techniques for them. Here are some examples:

Sonic 1: Ring collecting sound is way off
Sonic 2: Get speed boots and music doesn't speed up
Columns: The music doesn't speed up and slow down anymore and is missing entire sections, like the "critical" music sections.
Phantasy Star II: Really ear-piercing level-up sfx
Phantasy Star IV: Battle music keeps playing after battle end SFX starts running together and sounding very messy
Golden Axe: All enemies and villagers have the same male scream of death

There are more, but you get the point. They streamed the music for some reason (if you pop the disc out the music will stop), so this explains a lot of it. I know that is nit-picking but I loved the Genesis sound chip, so I have fond memories of the sounds from these games. So if you are thinking about picking it up, keep those points above in mind.

Pixel_Outlaw · Post by **Pixel_Outlaw** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:58 am

I think 30 dollars is to much for me personally perhaps if it were a 20 dollar game I might consider it.

CecilMcW00t · Post by **CecilMcW00t** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:01 am

It's $19.99 at Ebgames.com.