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 Post subject: COVID-19 in your part of the world
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:27 pm 



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I’m so glad I don’t live in US reading this thread is painful,where ur polictical views are tied into the vaccine and the same blame game you play with polictical party’s you play with fellow citizens!”ow he’s unvaccinated it’s his fault the virus is still here he must be a trump supporter!”
Guys just listen to yourselves.calling this a pandemic of the unvaccinated is wrong and deceitful used as a political tool to introduce mandates.fact is fully vaccinated “double jabbed”have the same viral load as a unvaccinated,fully vaccinated people still spread the virus and if anything double jabbed spread it more because they think they are immune!For a country based on the American constitution of freedom and Liberty I was shocked to hear Biden speech I never thought the leader of the free world could make such a speech.guys if you can’t figure this out you gonna be in deep deep water to say the least


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Guys just listen to yourselves.calling this a pandemic of the unvaccinated is wrong and deceitful used as a political tool to introduce mandates.fact is fully vaccinated “double jabbed”have the same viral load as a unvaccinated,


Source? I can provide sources quantifying their viral load is lower.

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fully vaccinated people still spread the virus and if anything double jabbed spread it more because they think they are immune!


Nobody thinks that. They are virtually immune to death, and extremely protected against hospitalization and serious side effects. Should they feel guilty about spreading the virus to people who've actively chosen to say fuck it? Again, in case you missed it before, the closer to 100% vaccinated, the less damage it can do. In that case, nobody gives much of a shit -- historically depicted w/ H1N1.

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For a country based on the American constitution of freedom and Liberty I was shocked to hear Biden speech I never thought the leader of the free world could make such a speech.guys if you can’t figure this out you gonna be in deep deep water to say the least


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Thank you so much for the eye-opening warning to us, the lowly American populace.

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Ddshot wrote:
Guys just listen to yourselves.calling this a pandemic of the unvaccinated is wrong and deceitful used as a political tool to introduce mandates.fact is fully vaccinated “double jabbed”have the same viral load as a unvaccinated,


Source? I can provide sources quantifying their viral load is lower.

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fully vaccinated people still spread the virus and if anything double jabbed spread it more because they think they are immune!


Nobody thinks that. They are virtually immune to death, and extremely protected against hospitalization and serious side effects. Should they feel guilty about spreading the virus to people who've actively chosen to say fuck it? Again, in case you missed it before, the closer to 100% vaccinated, the less damage it can do. In that case, nobody gives much of a shit -- historically depicted w/ H1N1.

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For a country based on the American constitution of freedom and Liberty I was shocked to hear Biden speech I never thought the leader of the free world could make such a speech.guys if you can’t figure this out you gonna be in deep deep water to say the least


You shoulda heard that last guy!
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This is just a quick 1 I found,there are plenty of scientific papers saying the same


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Guys just listen to yourselves.calling this a pandemic of the unvaccinated is wrong and deceitful used as a political tool to introduce mandates.fact is fully vaccinated “double jabbed”have the same viral load as a unvaccinated,fully vaccinated people still spread the virus and if anything double jabbed spread it more because they think they are immune!


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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 in your part of the world
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:36 pm 



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Israel started giving out booster jabs in July and have the highest infection rate in the world per million people,they are now on about giving out a 4th jab!make of that what you will.


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I’m so glad I don’t live in US reading this thread is painful,where ur polictical views are tied into the vaccine and the same blame game you play with polictical party’s you play with fellow citizens!”ow he’s unvaccinated it’s his fault the virus is still here he must be a trump supporter!”
Guys just listen to yourselves.calling this a pandemic of the unvaccinated is wrong and deceitful used as a political tool to introduce mandates.fact is fully vaccinated “double jabbed”have the same viral load as a unvaccinated,fully vaccinated people still spread the virus and if anything double jabbed spread it more because they think they are immune!For a country based on the American constitution of freedom and Liberty I was shocked to hear Biden speech I never thought the leader of the free world could make such a speech.guys if you can’t figure this out you gonna be in deep deep water to say the least


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Guys you're being so divisive and political, can't we put partisanship aside and all get along?

Also, did you know that the new OSHA vaccine rules make Joe Biden literally Hitler?
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 in your part of the world
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This is just a quick 1 I found,there are plenty of scientific papers saying the same


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404, unsurprisingly.
Google "Do vaccinated carry the same load" and the top hits will tell you "no", or at most "yes w/ delta but it drops off much quicker".
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 in your part of the world
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:43 am 



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GaijinPunch wrote:
Ddshot wrote:
This is just a quick 1 I found,there are plenty of scientific papers saying the same


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404, unsurprisingly.
Google "Do vaccinated carry the same load" and the top hits will tell you "no", or at most "yes w/ delta but it drops off much quicker".
It’s a paper from the British medical journal,not sure why it’s 404


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 Post subject: COVID-19 in your part of the world
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:50 am 



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Not sure where you find find information but there’s loads of papers saying the same thing viral loads are the same between vaccinated and unvaccinated
Probly best to avoid fox and cnn

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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 in your part of the world
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:59 am 


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Those are the peak levels -- there are reports saying the fall off is faster though which of course leads to less transmission. Those are also only for "breakthru cases". Vaccines can give you enough protection to fight it off to the level of being undetectable. That's all neither here nor there. If everyone had the same viral load but vaccinated had an over 90% chance of avoiding hospitalization, that would be an incentive to get vaccinated. (You would think but here we are).

Someone I went to grammar school through middle school with is asking for prayers as her friend (her age/my age, and in great shape, with a family) is finna go on a Ventilator. Who wants to take bets on his vaccination status?
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 in your part of the world
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:32 am 



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So they are shedding the same pre symptoms and when becoming symptomatic,hence they spread the same unvaccinated or vaccinated.sorry to hear about your friend hope it turns out well.the point I was trying to make is that targeting unvaccinated saying there the issues is deceitful,vaccine should be a personal choice not mandated.focus should be on a treatment for virus,what we all gonna do when a truly deadly variant arrives which evades vaccination we need a treatment,but the agenda is not to find a treatment because governments belive people will stop getting vaccinated.there’s no magic bullet to much hope is pinned on a vaccine with is reported to be as low as 40% effective,90%effective of preventing deaths.


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Christ dude, why is this so important to you? Your tortured logic is exhausting to read.

Once again, the original "vaccines cause autism" anti-vax movement was a scam by an unscrupulous doctor who was being paid by a crooked law firm to try and drum up proof for a class-action lawsuit that never materialized. And the specific covid anti-vax movement was started by Trump to prevent a panic in the stock market as he told Bob Woodward in a recorded phonecall.

And as I said before, mRNA vaccines don't alter your DNA, but Covid-19 DEFINITELY does.
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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 in your part of the world
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Dude I’m not a anti Vaxer,it’s not particularly important to me,we are all fully grown adults and can make our own choices whatever that may be.I posted because I see the same old members posting there partisan views on the virus like it’s gospel with no alternative view on the subject.I won’t bother next time il just leave you guys in your bubble.thanks anyways


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There's a misconception that viruses mutate. They don't. Viruses don't do shit. Pure parasites, they don't even have a metabolism. It's a matter of contention in the scientific community whether viruses can even be considered "alive" at all. From a layman's perspective, viruses operate like a spring-loaded trap.

Infested cells mutate the virus.

Beneficial mutations are an extremely rare event. When you significantly reduce the number of cells the virus can successfully infest before being killed off by vaccine-driven antibodies, the odds of a newer and stronger variant coming about go way down.

Yes, I am aware of all of this. It is also worth mentioning that one of the most beneficial possible mutations for the virus would be reduced lethality to its host. The problem may well solve itself, given time. Fingers crossed!

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Dude, lay off the Joe Rogan.

I do not follow Rogan and nothing I have said should indicate that I do. Are you claiming that the coronavirus does not disproportionately harm the elderly and the obese? Because it most certainly does. I'm curious, if I said that people who have already recovered from covid 19 would see little to no benefit from taking the vaccine and should not be expected to do so, would what also mark me as a Joe Rogan follower, or would you regard that as obvious common sense?

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It is very reasonable to say they are the reason we still have closures, mask mandates, and most importantly a flooded health care system that takes resources away from people who had no choice in their ailments.

The closures and mandates exist because politicians have decided they should exist. Whether they're beneficial or not and whether the politicians decided to do so for the public good or not are separate matters. The health care system in the USA is perpetually flooded by design. We have a capitalist, for-profit health care system where the capitalists have financial incentive to assign as little manpower as possible to deal with whatever the hospital has to deal with for the day.

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They are virtually immune to death, and extremely protected against hospitalization and serious side effects.

If this is true, and I do believe it is, then surely there is little reason why we cannot return to our key parties and orgies already? Those who are vaccinated are safe and those who are not have made their own choice for themselves.


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 Post subject: Re: COVID-19 in your part of the world
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I posted because I see the same old members posting there partisan views on the virus like it’s gospel with no alternative view on the subject.


More "won't you please be bipartisan?" nonsense I see from the guy who's shilling now for "alternative views" despite them being about as useful as homeopathy or Gwyneth Paltrow's vaginal eggs.

The alternative view is taking anti-malarials and anti-parastics is somehow useful against viruses. It's not an alternative; it's useless, irrelevant, abject stupidity. You have science, or you have pure madness.
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Ya, vaccines are nice.

Anti-virals are for post-infection. It's kind of shocking how new they are - the first ones were developed when we were teenagers and children. If you need proof we live in an age of miracles, just look at how AIDs isn't the absolute nightmare death sentence it used to be.

Covid treatment options are a little light at the moment, but might get better. If the Ivermectin trials somehow show even some positive results - the most unlikely and funniest outcome possible - I'd clap the door shut against any argument against the Simulation Hypothesis.


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It's possible Ivermectin has some use, but there's really no good data for it. The nutjobs who are racing to medicate themselves with it and overdosing on it are ignoring the fact that the whole Ivermectin thing started as a result of a preliminary trial showing Ivermectin having an effect against COVID-19 in vitro, as in when tested in a petri dish. No sane doctor would use this as a basis for prescribing Ivermectin to patients, especially when vaccines we know are effective exist.

Exactly whether or not it's effective in a human body, what routes are effective for administering it, and if it's even safe at the levels needed to have an effect (if you have to overdose on it to have an effect on COVID-19 it's worthless as a treatment) are all things that actual clinical trials are needed in order to assess. It's entirely possible Ivermectin may some impact, but only when administered via a specific route such as intravenously. People rushing out to chug horse dewormer at this stage is pure lunacy, especially when they're doing so while proudly eschewing a proven preventative measure by refusing to be vaccinated in the name of their freedumbs.

It's incredibly frustrating seeing morons refuse to show the slightest respect for or interest in the scientific method, and rush to quack cures promoted by people looking to cash in on the gullible and the desperate, only for them to come crawling back to science desperately when they drag their asses to the hospitals and expose healthcare workers to the virus needlessly. Or worse, for them to take to Facebook to praise Jesus alone for curing them after doctors and nurses worked like hell to keep their ungrateful asses alive.
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Yeah, anyone who wants to be part of the trial should receive it from a doctor, in combination and not in lieu of a suite of measures known to be useful. Like a certain mixed martial artist/gameshow host/interviewer did. He didn't seek it out, his doctor just suggested to throw it on top of the pile.

I'm sure we're talking about a vanishingly small but extremely entertaining subset of people here. The media screaming about "horse dewormer" is only spreading more bad ideas to more idiots. We have plenty of bad ideas for them already. Like eating tide pods. Or sticking your hand down a garbage disposal unit.

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Anyway, the protector of humanity stuff some are really into rubs me the wrong way on this one. If someone is stupid enough to self medicate like this, are you really helping humanity by saving them?


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It's incredibly frustrating seeing morons refuse to show the slightest respect for or interest in the scientific method

Feel free to tack on the qualifier that many of them supposedly refuse to take the vaccine because we don't know enough about it yet, it needs to be tested more.
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Ivermectin is made by the big pharma company Merck.

Merck does not have a covid-19 vaccine, so they're missing out on all the money competitors like Pfizer and Moderna and AstraZeneca are making off this vaccine plandemic. And yet there's a glimmer of home for Merck, people like frequent Joe Rogan guest Eric Weinstein call Ivermectin, "a drug that's good enough to end the pandemic at any point you wanted."

And yet what is Merck's official stance on the matter?

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Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today affirmed its position regarding use of ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic. Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 for evidence of efficacy and safety. It is important to note that, to-date, our analysis has identified:

No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies;
No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;
A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.

We do not believe that the data available support the safety and efficacy of ivermectin beyond the doses and populations indicated in the regulatory agency-approved prescribing information.


Is this capitalist corporation willingly taking the hit financially to support the plandemic conspiracy?

Or do they expect to get sued into oblivion by sickened patients and/or their surviving family members if they claim Ivermectin is an actual cure?

BareKnuckleRoo wrote:
It's possible Ivermectin has some use, but there's really no good data for it. The nutjobs who are racing to medicate themselves with it and overdosing on it are ignoring the fact that the whole Ivermectin thing started as a result of a preliminary trial showing Ivermectin having an effect against COVID-19 in vitro, as in when tested in a petri dish. No sane doctor would use this as a basis for prescribing Ivermectin to patients, especially when vaccines we know are effective exist.


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.... Merck does have a product for Covid already. It's called molnupiravir. Its deal with the US nets them $700 per treatment. The bottle of ivermectin costs $30. I don't know why you didn't automatically assume they were already making money from this endless minefield of gold.

And that's as much of my time as I'm going to waste on this topic I didn't have an opinion on six hours ago. It isn't like you'd change your mind if the WHO came down from the heavens and said it did stuff, you're already emotionally invested in being smarter than the "dumb wrestle man".

Bret Weinstein's idea of eradicating the virus by putting everyone on Ivermectin for a few months is risible right from the start from a solely logistical perspective. There's no need to overextend and put yourself on a watch list for people who might be wrong about something on the internet on the future.

Comparing Ivermectin to a bullet or bleach, horrible use of an xkcd :roll:


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you're already emotionally invested in being smarter than the "dumb wrestle man".


I'm more than just emotionally invested. I invested several years of my twenties and a staggering amount of student debt into my degrees in genetics and microbiology. I fucking better know more about the subject than the host of that reality show where people eat horse penises.

It really feels tacky to have to bring up personal details on this anonymous forum, I would have thought my education was obvious after a couple pages ago I described how mRNA vaccines hitch a ride in the DNA translation process in fine enough detail to include specific organelles involved like the ribosomes in the rough endoplasmic reticulum.

But jesus christ, this thread can be infuriating to me some days, because people are saying things about my field of expertise on the same level as a UFC guest commentator saying, "why aren't they shooting any Hadouken fireballs? It's easy, I saw a video on youtube of a couple 12-year-olds shooting them at each other."
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But jesus christ, this thread can be infuriating to me some days, because people are saying things about my field of expertise on the same level as a UFC guest commentator saying, "why aren't they shooting any Hadouken fireballs? It's easy, I saw a video on youtube of a couple 12-year-olds shooting them at each other."


Well, "laypersonexplaining" is probably becoming a favourite pasttime of people on the interwebs.

I am half-tempted to see if there are any studies attempting to analyse the psychological mechanisms behind it, and I suspect that the Donning-Kruger effect may be at work (and, probably, several other factors...).

I would add that in situations of extreme, prolonged stress (say, panic from pandemics...), humans tend to have fewer and fewer resources to carefully analyse situations. And, oftentimes, this means "fewer than zero".

Some people also struggle to understand what counts as proper proof of whatever claims they are making.

When teaching undergraduates (a rare event, these days), I sometimes would encounter students who would quite literally repeat their wrong statements louder or even become aggressive when I would show (not tell, please note) that they were wrong.

At least once I man-handled someone and then called security. We are talking about one neo-nazi who was convinced that assertions from "communist professors" were lies, including that blue bags are...blue, duh.

Some would ultimately behave because writing something wrong in a term paper would mean a failing grade, but I am pretty sure that they remained convinced that their beliefs were the truth, anyway.

Welcome to the world of the educated in the times of "google research", and to the obliteration of certified expertise. My suggestion: come and visit us in the training thread: we know how to discharge stress.
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Those who are vaccinated are safe and those who are not have made their own choice for themselves.


No one is safe when ICU's are so full and resources so stretched that normal, routine life saving procedures can no longer take place and people needlessly die as a result. In this instance you don't just make a choice for yourself, it effects other people too.

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Is this capitalist corporation willingly taking the hit financially to support the plandemic conspiracy?


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I am half-tempted to see if there are any studies attempting to analyse the psychological mechanisms behind it, and I suspect that the Donning-Kruger effect may be at work (and, probably, several other factors...).


In an ironic twist for the ages, the Dunning-Kruger effect is likely not real:

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/critical-thinking/dunning-kruger-effect-probably-not-real?fbclid=IwAR3267hnTLfAZmUqtS4eTqFopi5vLNcPzSdaeY-NYZNn65UnHdzUNqr6uYs

People being misinformed is though, which was Dunning's explanatory mechanism for it anyway.


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