What's the Radiant Silvergun or Ikaruga of light gun games?

[xxx1993]

Before you say Elemental Gearbolt, that game has more in common with Sine Mora. And before you say Sin and Punishment: Star Successor, that game is more like Panzer Dragoon or Space Harrier than a true light gun game even though it supports the Wii Zapper.

[Gamer707b]

Was going to say the Sin and punishment games, but you knocked those out of the equation.

[nZero]

The only possible remaining answer is Death Crimson 0X

[EmperorIng]

The only possible remaining answer is Death Crimson 0X

There's a good argument that Subliminer Sword the Stink is the Asami Kagehisa of Death Crimson OX.

[Dochartaigh]

I would disqualify anything on Dreamcast because of the lacking accuracy of any model of compatible lightgun (my vids are dead in that post, but you'll see tons of others also can't stand DC light guns either... pretty much anything except Guncon's suck). Also 1000% disqualify anything on Wii as you can't actually aim a gun with sights on that (it's just a virtual mouse in essence, complete with onscreen cursor in most).


PS2's lightgun library is probably the strongest. Running 2x monitors at once with i.link games like the Time Crisis ones is amazing, especially with pedals for the arcade feel:




I really like House of the Dead 3 on OG Xbox as well (which when you beat it unlocks HotD 2), but that's nearly the only light gun game on that system so might not be worth the money to even buy the lightgun(s) for it unless you're a big fan.

PS1, just for the Point Blank arcade games alone is also a contender (great for parties!).

[To Far Away Times]

Time Crisis 2 and House of the Dead 1 & 2 seem to be the most popular and well known. Virtua Cop is probably a little behind those.

Time Crisis 1 and 2 are so awesome.

[xxx1993]

Time Crisis 2 and House of the Dead 1 & 2 seem to be the most popular and well known. Virtua Cop is probably a little behind those.

Time Crisis 1 and 2 are so awesome.

To be honest, I actually hold the entire Time Crisis franchise on a pedestal. So to me, it'd have to be the Time Crisis series.

[xxx1993]

I would disqualify anything on Dreamcast because of the lacking accuracy of any model of compatible lightgun (my vids are dead in that post, but you'll see tons of others also can't stand DC light guns either... pretty much anything except Guncon's suck). Also 1000% disqualify anything on Wii as you can't actually aim a gun with sights on that (it's just a virtual mouse in essence, complete with onscreen cursor in most).

The reason why the Dreamcast has a crappy light gun controller is because of the 1999 Columbine shooting, apparently.

[Koa Zo]

Point Blank series

[cj iwakura]

If you mean difficulty, Elemental Gearbolt is the most difficult one ever made, and it's not even close.

If you mean in terms of near-universal recognition, it'd be Point Blank or Police Trainer.

Time Crisis 1 is my all-time favorite, though(and the only one that's about time). All the rest give you recycled 40 second timers with BS bullet OHKOs, the first rewards speed running and skill.

[BIL]

Subliminer Sword the Stink

Sad case that, heard he died of AIDS sometime in the 90s. Guess he was more sheath than sword.

[Dochartaigh]

The reason why the Dreamcast has a crappy light gun controller is because of the 1999 Columbine shooting, apparently.

No, I've used several aftermarket and the Japanese (a BNIB one I believe) as well (as have many of the people chiming in on that topic I listed). ALL still can't hold a candle to the Guncon (heck, I find the NES Zapper to be more accurate than any Dreamcast one TBH).

[Squire Grooktook]

What the fuck does Elemental Gearbolt have in common with Sine Mora.

Anyway the question is ill-defined.

[BrianC]

I would disqualify anything on Dreamcast because of the lacking accuracy of any model of compatible lightgun (my vids are dead in that post, but you'll see tons of others also can't stand DC light guns either... pretty much anything except Guncon's suck). Also 1000% disqualify anything on Wii as you can't actually aim a gun with sights on that (it's just a virtual mouse in essence, complete with onscreen cursor in most).

The reason why the Dreamcast has a crappy light gun controller is because of the 1999 Columbine shooting, apparently.

Not at all, the MadCatz gun is actually similar in quality to SEGA's own light gun and even Naomi arcade games need manual calibration (there's one arcade exclusive, the Maze of Kings, with odd shaped guns that's a pain to calibrate. Some cabs replace the guns with standard shaped guns). I noticed the EU version of HoTD2 is more finicky with calibration than the US or JP versions (I had to turn the brightness way up for the EU version's calibration to work). It's no Guncon, but I still had a fun time with HoTD2 and Confidential Mission using the MadCatz and SEGA guns (I have the JP version of both, but could only find a cd image of the EU version since DC is the strangest system when it comes to reading discs).

Edit: Found out the Naomi games work differently and use LED sensors.

[cj iwakura]

What the fuck does Elemental Gearbolt have in common with Sine Mora.

Heavily story-driven and melodramatic?

[Squire Grooktook]

What the fuck does Elemental Gearbolt have in common with Sine Mora.

Heavily story-driven and melodramatic?

...which describes Radiant Silvergun perfectly. So uhhhh I don't know how the fuck xx19 is making this distinction.

[xxx1993]

What the fuck does Elemental Gearbolt have in common with Sine Mora.

Heavily story-driven and melodramatic?

Yes, this. And the darker tones also. And the fact that both have received critical acclaim for that.

[Jeneki]

Since we have a light gun topic up and running, I'm wondering what people think of Operation Gunbuster (Taito 1992).

I ran into a 4-player cab last week, and it seems like a wii-style fps before the Wii. It has a joystick used to move and strafe around to take cover, and moving the gun to the side of the screen causes the view to turn. It's mostly boss fights in various arenas, and gets pretty intense after a few levels as the areas get more complex.

It's also really hard on my wrists after 10 minutes, holding the gun with one hand and a joystick in the other. lol

[EmperorIng]

Subliminer Sword the Stink

Sad case that, heard he died of AIDS sometime in the 90s. Guess he was more sheath than sword.

Yeah, it's never fun to make light of a tragedy, I hope his loss convinces people to keep the stink off their sword.
RIP to a real one.

[Squire Grooktook]

What the fuck does Elemental Gearbolt have in common with Sine Mora.

Heavily story-driven and melodramatic?

Yes, this. And the darker tones also. And the fact that both have received critical acclaim for that.

And how is that different from Radiant Silvergun? RSG was a heavily story driven and melodramatic game with a darker tone. It had critical (or at least cult) acclaim, etc. It seems like an exact 1:1 match to what you're asking for but you've just disqualified it and associated it with a much lesser title for no real reason.

[SuperDeadite]

This thread needs DUNGEON HUNTER
https://youtu.be/F-L6V6DGUmk

[xxx1993]

And how is that different from Radiant Silvergun? RSG was a heavily story driven and melodramatic game with a darker tone. It had critical (or at least cult) acclaim, etc. It seems like an exact 1:1 match to what you're asking for but you've just disqualified it and associated it with a much lesser title for no real reason.

Yeah, but… The grim colors of Elemental Gearbolt made me think of Sine Mora.

[cj iwakura]

RSG is pretty dark too, but it also has moments of wacky anime levity. EG is pretty much all dour from start to finish.

[xxx1993]

And Sine Mora, right?

[EmperorIng]

To be honest, I actually hold the entire Time Crisis franchise on a pedestal. So to me, it'd have to be the Time Crisis series.

Does this mean that Time Crisis 3 is the Ikaruga stage 3 of Light Gun games? Or that Wild Dog in stage 3 of Time Crisis 3 is the Uzura of Light Gun Games? And his apprentice Wild Fang is the Shigi of Light Gun Games?

There are five stages in Ikaruga, and five mainline Time Crisis games....

[BrianC]

Are Space Bazooka and Falcon's Revenge the SFII of lightgun games? Blastris is definitely the Tetris of lightgun games.

[xxx1993]

To be honest, I actually hold the entire Time Crisis franchise on a pedestal. So to me, it'd have to be the Time Crisis series.

Does this mean that Time Crisis 3 is the Ikaruga stage 3 of Light Gun games? Or that Wild Dog in stage 3 of Time Crisis 3 is the Uzura of Light Gun Games? And his apprentice Wild Fang is the Shigi of Light Gun Games?

There are five stages in Ikaruga, and five mainline Time Crisis games....

Probably.

[xxx1993]

Are Space Bazooka and Falcon's Revenge the SFII of lightgun games? Blastris is definitely the Tetris of lightgun games.

Oh, definitely.

[davyK]

I really enjoyed Ghost Squad on Wii. Is a short game but has a PILE of replay value with lots to unlock etc.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehWoJdHlkig

[xxx1993]

Problem with Ghost Squad is that it gets harder and harder to play with each playthrough. I can barely get through the bosses of all three missions.