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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:55 am 


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As I said, I think Mike just didn't "get" rpg's, leaving a wonky euroshmup-esque project where the whole thing would've been more coherent if it'd just been a realtime brawler instead of a janky turn-based collision of rpg, brawler, and metroidvania by someone who only likes and respects only 2 of those 3 genres.


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Seemed like a straightforward clone of Valkyrie Profile to me.


That's what it wants to be and sold itself on, yes. But thanks to a lot of bizarre design decisions rooted in Mike's seeming disdain of the genre and obsession with making a turn-based game entirely "skill based" (which IIRC leads to the removal of almost all resource management and strategic planning, you know, the whole point of turn based combat), it's far less conceptually coherent then VP.

Disclaimer before I go on: I haven't played the finished game. I was too nauseated from my friends mocking it, various reactions floating around on the internet, what I already knew of it, etc. add to that the drama and bullshit with LZ and I don't want to give them one cent. Even if it's on sale, I don't want to give them any money. I have played the original ancient kickstarter demo (from what it seems most of the core mechanics are mostly unchanged, and they are horrible), and I've listened to a lot of rundowns of the mechanics as well as experiences from people who played. This is my impression of the finished project:

Basically imagine you take a turn based rpg with some action/skill elements in attacking and defending for fun. But still has all the resource management, strategy, and planning that you associate with the dungeon crawl experience. Alright, fun enough. That's VP, Mario RPG, whatever. Indivisible seems to be what happens when you take away all the items, resources, planning, strategy, everything but those ultra simplistic call and response action elements, leaving you with what is essentially a brawler with no spacing that moves at the speed of turn based combat. What fun.

Now imagine it's also horribly unbalanced with the difficulty breaking down midway through and becoming a cakewalk, the game giving you no reason to not just skip every normal fight (remember, the exp equivalent does barely anything, there's no resources to manage, and you can jump over encounters) and a lack of reason to experiment with the games combo system beyond whatever optimal setup you find yourself using.

Maybe someday I'll play it so that I can confirm my hatred, but as I said even the prospect of buying it on sale strictly repels me due to the games mediocrity and personal reasons surrounding the whole project and community.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:26 am 


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Valkyrie Profile with all of the RPG elements stripped out sounds like some incredibly wrongheaded design.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:21 pm 


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Maybe someday I'll play it so that I can confirm my hatred

Nah, as I said earlier there are things about the game that will undoubtedly and understandably turn people off, and if they aren't things you're willing/able to look past there's no reason to play something you're dreading for the sake of justifying the dread. In my own case the shortcomings of both the trimmings and the gameplay weren't enough to dissuade me since in my book they're not dealbreakers, but for others they will be, and off the cuff I doubt that some inscrutable je ne sais quois is likely to suddenly "click" with them when they try it for themselves; the game is what it is, and going forward it's unfortunately not going to become anything else.
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Are people generally fond of Gravity Rush? Bought it when the PS4 version came out, been lying in my back buffer ever since.

And I think the game might have grown more in my mind than it could really carry. It's just a prototype/infamous style jumping around a city doing mini-game missions while looking for the next marker to initiate a story section. Pretty much everything you do in the game is running errands.

There's the trails of a highly stylized fun adventure still in there. You can tell the concept artwork had high hopes for the game that it never really seems to realize. The art style, characters, music, and everything just looks like it would be fun. The little "comic book" scenes you get occasionally in the place of ingame cutscenes look super cool, and add to the atmosphere, but being immediately thrown into the flat brown low-poly in-engine world only demonstrates the juxtaposition.


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Ken's Labyrinth is a ever so slightly silly FPS game that has a major game breaking bug which I accidentally triggered today:

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If, on the last level on episode 1 or 2 (so, level 10 or 20), you have one or more magic items active (the potions and cloaks), they will remain active in the next episode seemingly forever (at least until you die). Here's how this works:

The game timer keeps track of how long you've been in the entire episode (this part you don't see) as well as in each level. When you get a potion or cloak, the game calculates when it should expire (giving 40 seconds for either potion, 28 seconds for the gray cloak, and 18 seconds for a blue cloak; collect more than one, and they stack). When you complete an episode, the overall game timer resets to zero, but the game doesn't recalculate when the items should expire. So, if you took, say, 45 minutes to complete the first episode, and you had a gray cloak active at the time you did so, you will get 45 minutes (plus any remaining unused time) of invincibility to start the second episode.


Since the best way to beat the final boss of the first episode is to lure it to the start where a vending machine sells invulnerability cloaks, it's really easy to trigger this by accident if you exit before it fades. Also the boss spawns two warp areas, and one literally leads to an inescapable room like Dirty Harry for the NES. Amusing game but not worth taking too seriously.
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Are people generally fond of Gravity Rush?

I personally enjoyed it, though IMO the PS4 "remaster" pretty much renders the Vita original obsolete; moreover I couldn't finish the sequel, as the camera could already be problematic in the first game, but was even worse there. Your summary of running around looking for missions is pretty accurate, but I found that freely zipping around in all directions looking for gems in nooks and crannies was enough to keep me going, not to mention how Kat's endlessly positive personality takes the edge off the brown-ness you mentioned earlier.
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but I found that freely zipping around in all directions looking for gems in nooks and crannies was enough to keep me going


This is of course the game's whole gimmick, and what drew me to it in the first place.
And I don't know what they really could have done to do it better, but at the end of the day it felt like just another way to get around in a type of game like this, it's similar to the web swinging in Spider-Man, or the running up buildings in Prototype, which is also enjoyable in those games.

But so far I don't feel like the gravity shifting aspect has really been able to give the game much of a unique identity, and it really doesn't feel much different from a glorified grappling hook with the added nuisance of camera jank and less precision.
Instead of changing the gravity to traverse the terrain in interesting ways, I find myself just pointing upwards to launch into the air, and then aiming at where I want to land to go back down, flying around more so than walking on walls. At the end of the day, it effectively feels very similar to the way you're getting around in Prototype, but with a much less intuitive layer on top of it.
I have the sequel, too, and I'm sad to hear that the camera is supposedly even worse in that one?

I feel like the seeds for a fantastic artistically and mechanically impressive game is in there, but not enough effort was put into really realizing it past the concept stage. :(

Or maybe I just really suck at playing it the way it was meant to.


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I'm hoping it, because so far 1 feels like the game that wanted to be something it isn't, which leaves a lot of potential for sequels :P


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I've been playing Super Mario 64 on the PC with Render96. Personally, I prefer playing this Super Mario 64 over the one in Super
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Been playing a few sessions of Spelunky 2 with my gf. Hard as nails though, but I'm slowly improving.

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Hang On GP '95 is one track of joyous 90s Sega racing perfection, with that absolutely blazing soundtrack. After that first one, I'm not so sure.

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Are people generally fond of Gravity Rush? Bought it when the PS4 version came out, been lying in my back buffer ever since.

And I think the game might have grown more in my mind than it could really carry. It's just a prototype/infamous style jumping around a city doing mini-game missions while looking for the next marker to initiate a story section. Pretty much everything you do in the game is running errands.

There's the trails of a highly stylized fun adventure still in there. You can tell the concept artwork had high hopes for the game that it never really seems to realize. The art style, characters, music, and everything just looks like it would be fun. The little "comic book" scenes you get occasionally in the place of ingame cutscenes look super cool, and add to the atmosphere, but being immediately thrown into the flat brown low-poly in-engine world only demonstrates the juxtaposition.


Stick with it, the back half of the game gets away from the errand structure into more dramatic combat. I played it on the Vita, the control was super awkward there yet I loved it in spite of its faults. Its uniqueness and charm carried it through, as well as those brilliant moments when everything worked the way it was supposed to. It really felt like a Dreamcast-era Sega game in that way.


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Thanks. That's the kind of stuff I was hoping from the game in the first place.


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Its uniqueness and charm carried it through, as well as those brilliant moments when everything worked the way it was supposed to. It really felt like a Dreamcast-era Sega game in that way.


I feel that's what is missing from this gen. Either games are $5-$10 hipster indie jank, or cookie cutter AAA titles. I've struggled to find much creativity that motivates me, other than 3 years of non-stop LET IT DIE (gungho/grasshopper) grinding.

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Return of the Obra Dinn

A bit late on this one, roughly halfway through (30 out of 60 fates solved). It's basically one giant logic puzzle, where you are an insurance investigator called to a ghost ship that reappeared after being lost at sea for several years, and have to figure out what happened to everyone on board. You have a book that collects your data with some information like a passenger manifest and some drawings of the crew and a device that you can point at a corpse and view the moment that person died, and from there the goal is to determine the identities and fates of each of the people on board using logic and these scenes. One interesting twist is that the game will confirm that you have correct answers, but only in batches of three at a time (when you make a third correct answer it will tell you that is correct, as well as two others.) It's a pretty interesting mechanic, but it does have a couple of drawbacks, mostly in the fact that the organization isn't great, and if you want to view a scene again you have to find and move back to the corpse associated with it again, which is rather inconvenient because the ship can be rather maze-like. I'm also not sure what to think of the "1-bit" monchrome graphics. They're obviously going for the style of an old monochrome Mac game, but unless they also want to make it act like a Hypercard stack (see also: Cosmic Osmo or the original Myst) it seems kind of pointless.

All in all not bad for one playthrough, but I can't see much replayability here.
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I feel that's what is missing from this gen. Either games are $5-$10 hipster indie jank, or cookie cutter AAA titles. I've struggled to find much creativity that motivates me, other than 3 years of non-stop LET IT DIE (gungho/grasshopper) grinding.


Holy shit Chempop. We need to talk mate!

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Congrats! :o The competition on those boards can be pretty fierce, from my limited perusals. Seems like you've taken quite a liking to Ben Bero Beh, really looking forward to giving it some proper time now. :smile:

I think I got #2 on Dogosoken and was considering aiming higher - the game's anti-leeching mechanics might be interesting to work around - but I get the feeling it's not a terribly popular game. :mrgreen: Metal Slug 3's board seems pretty nuts, OTOH.
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Gravity rush bla bla
Your post reminded me that I bought both on a sale. Been giving it a whirl recently, it's cute.

I so far agree with everything you said about it.. and I'm still enjoying it. Just something for me to switch brain off and chill with I guess.
unless i'm doing those time trial things. One was enough for me to not seek the others out.

Also I turned motion control sensitivity down to 0 and that's effectively turned it off, so that's good. :lol:

I like the point about it being like a Dreamcast game.
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I just finished up Vigil: The Longest Night on PC.

I think it's a great B-movie in game form. By this I mean the game is at times clunky, there are some design decisions that aren't quite fully thought out (it's possible to lock yourself out of the True Ending within the first ~2 hours of gameplay, and the game takes about 18 to complete), the map is confusing at times, the English is wonky (the developers are from Taiwan, I believe) to the point that some skill descriptions were plain wrong until a recent patch.

And yet, I quite liked my time with it. The art style and story are from the Dark Souls playbook, while the game mechanics lean more towards the Metroidvania side. I distributed my skill points to make a heavy hitter character, with the philosophy that if you hit the enemy hard enough the first time, there's no need to worry about hitting them a second time. And it worked out well for me. But now I kind of want to go again with a focus on swords. The game has New Game+ where most everything carries over, so it'd be pretty easy to do, as well.
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I just finished up Vigil: The Longest Night on PC.


Looks interesting. Kind of looks a bit like Trine. Not sure if that's accurate at all, but that's the vibe I get from the Steam page.


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Ghegs wrote:
I just finished up Vigil: The Longest Night on PC.


Looks interesting. Kind of looks a bit like Trine. Not sure if that's accurate at all, but that's the vibe I get from the Steam page.


Not really sure how you're seeing that, maybe if you squint really hard the graphics kind of look somewhat similar in certain spots.

But the gameplay is certainly completely different.
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I just finished up Vigil: The Longest Night on PC.

I think it's a great B-movie in game form. By this I mean the game is at times clunky, there are some design decisions that aren't quite fully thought out (it's possible to lock yourself out of the True Ending within the first ~2 hours of gameplay, and the game takes about 18 to complete), the map is confusing at times, the English is wonky (the developers are from Taiwan, I believe) to the point that some skill descriptions were plain wrong until a recent patch.

And yet, I quite liked my time with it. The art style and story are from the Dark Souls playbook, while the game mechanics lean more towards the Metroidvania side. I distributed my skill points to make a heavy hitter character, with the philosophy that if you hit the enemy hard enough the first time, there's no need to worry about hitting them a second time. And it worked out well for me. But now I kind of want to go again with a focus on swords. The game has New Game+ where most everything carries over, so it'd be pretty easy to do, as well.


I regret not having picked this up when they had their double discount a few weeks ago: initial 10% off + 10% off for existing owners of Salt & Sanctuary. Speaking of which, how would you compare Vigil to S&S?


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Ghegs wrote:
I just finished up Vigil: The Longest Night on PC.

I think it's a great B-movie in game form. By this I mean the game is at times clunky, there are some design decisions that aren't quite fully thought out (it's possible to lock yourself out of the True Ending within the first ~2 hours of gameplay, and the game takes about 18 to complete), the map is confusing at times, the English is wonky (the developers are from Taiwan, I believe) to the point that some skill descriptions were plain wrong until a recent patch.

And yet, I quite liked my time with it. The art style and story are from the Dark Souls playbook, while the game mechanics lean more towards the Metroidvania side. I distributed my skill points to make a heavy hitter character, with the philosophy that if you hit the enemy hard enough the first time, there's no need to worry about hitting them a second time. And it worked out well for me. But now I kind of want to go again with a focus on swords. The game has New Game+ where most everything carries over, so it'd be pretty easy to do, as well.


I regret not having picked this up when they had their double discount a few weeks ago: initial 10% off + 10% off for existing owners of Salt & Sanctuary. Speaking of which, how would you compare Vigil to S&S?


I took advantage of that discount myself, nice of the devs.

In short, Salt & Sanctuary is Dark Souls 2D, Vigil is Symphony of the Night with Dark Souls aesthetics and a stamina bar for combat. I think S&S is the more refined of the two, but Vigil is worth a play as well.
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