Hyper Duel

[Despatche]

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3 lives, Normal difficulty.

If anyone wants me to split by character, just say the word.
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Please post scores in this format:

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VERSION
NAME - SCORE - STAGE - CHARACTER - DETAILS

Please indicate which emulator build and program version you may have used.
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Arcade

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 1. SQUIDHEAD        - 2,361,580 - ALL - Lloyd - PCB
 2. ALPHA            - 2,297,810 - ALL - Lisa  - FinalBurn Neo v0.2.97.44
 3. JMZ              - 2,276,138 - ALL - Lisa  - MAME
 4. FraGMarE         - 2,264,289 - ALL - Keith - MAME?
 5. Javel            - 2,215,707 - ALL - Lisa  - MAME
 6. SiKrAiKeN        - 2,212,200 - ALL - Lisa  - MAME?
 7. Ex_Mosquito      - 2,138,369 - ALL - Lloyd - MAME
 8. jp               - 2,071,643 - ALL - Lloyd - Real Saturn
 9. Kollision        - 2,069,398 - ALL - Lisa  - Saturn
10. SFKhoa           - 2,068,369 - ALL - Lisa 
11. Ruldra           - 2,029,765 - ALL - Lisa  - MAME
12. Kino             - 1,974,773 - ALL - Lloyd - Saturn
13. BOS              - 1,949,040 - ALL - Keith - MAME
14. zinger           - 1,918,823 - ALL - Keith - MAME?
15. BonusJZ          - 1,904,471 - ALL - Lloyd - MAME
16. Gaijin Punch     - 1,880,191 - ALL - Keith - Real Saturn?
17. BER              - 1,792,745 - ALL - Lisa  - PCB
18. andsuchisdeath   - 1,786,261 - ALL - Lisa  - PCB
19. KAI              - 1,746,205 -  8  - Keith
20. Akraten          - 1,697,064 - ALL - Lloyd - PCB
21. Kaiser           - 1,657,855 -  8  - Lisa  - MAME
22. brokendivide     - 1,545,608 -  8  - Lisa 

Saturn Mode
Normal difficulty

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 1. ALPHA            - 2,215,432 - ALL - Lisa  - SSF PreviewVer R17
 2. Icarus           - 2,173,660 - ALL - Lisa 
 3. Kollision        - 2,092,291 - ALL - Keith - Saturn
 4. jp               - 1,857,843 -  8  - Lisa 
 5. andsuchisdeath   - 1,841,598 - ALL - Lisa 
 6. Kino             - 1,739,378 - ALL - Lloyd - Saturn
 7. ExitPlanetDust   - 1,679,161 -  8  - Lisa  - Saturn?
 8. CIT              - 1,558,588 -  8  - Keith - Saturn
 9. Gaijin Punch     - 1,041,008 -  6  - Lisa  - Saturn 

Maniac difficulty

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 1. ThunderForce 222 - 2,179,735 - ALL - Keith - JP Saturn

[ExitPlanetDust]

Saturn Mode
ExitPlanetDust - 1,171,679 - Stage 6 - Keith - SATURN

[Op Intensify]

Trying to play this (arcade ver.). I wanna know if it's worth it to just remain stationary without transforming as long as possible to increase the point counter, or if you get more overall by moving around and shooting everything you can.

If the former is true than I must say this has the worst shmup scoring system ever.

[Despatche]

Idling doesn't give you that much. As far as I can tell, the best thing to do is simply to mix some idling in with normal play.

[ExitPlanetDust]

Just a little higher.

ExitPlanetDust - 1,335,966 - Stage 7 - Lisa - SATURN

[Kaiser]

Random scoreboard names

Perhaps if you ALL the game, you should name the score "NOWAI"

[ExitPlanetDust]

LOL, I will take that under consideration. It's a real treat when you are given 5 characters.

[KAI]

KAI - 1,746,205 - 8 - Keith - Arcade

I have to ALL this game once and for all.

[ExitPlanetDust]

Almost got my 1CC tonight.

ExitPlanetDust - 1,679,161 - Stage 8 - Lisa - SATURN

[ThunderForce 222]

MODE -Sega Saturn

SYSTEM/GAME - Sega Saturn (JAP)~Original Store Copy (I paid 250$ for that game.)

NAME - THUNDER FORCE 222

SCORE/STAGE/RANK -2,179,735- ALL - "S" Rank

DIFFICULTY -MANIAC-

Here is the link to my Youtube video for confirmation. The OST is ARRANGED for the most part. I used some voice tracks from "Air Gallet" during the game, you'll notice I added the "Congratulations On Completing Stage 1-6". Since the voice tracks only went to Stage 6 in Air Gallet, I created a different Stage clear saying for 7 and 8. It fits the scenes. Some of the dialogue I created, I had to use single words to form a whole sentence. That was a pain to record, but worth it. Here is a track listing of my OST:

OPENING "Buster Gear" -Hyper Duel OST (Saturn Ver.)
SELECT "Select" -Hyper Duel OST (Saturn Ver.)
STAGE CLEAR "Stage Clear" -Since this track isn't available on any CD/OST, I had to go into the Arcade Ver. Sound test menu and play the track and record it with .WAV record option on FB Alpha, then make 8 different tracks with the Stage Clear voice from Air Gallet.

Stage 1 "Cyber Fleet" -Hyper Duel OST (Saturn Ver.) ~ BOSS "Boiled Kraken" -Hyper Duel OST (Saturn Ver.)

Stage 2 "Full Metal Goddess; From "BROKEN THUNDER" DOUJIN Version, not the one on Broken Thunder;project Thunder Force VI" ~ BOSS "Crybringer" -Hyper Duel OST (Saturn Ver.)

Stage 3 "Phases 1-1; PHILOSOMA (Self-Arranged; I added a guitar slide in the middle where I think it should've had one) ~ BOSS "W.A.O." -Hyper Duel OST (Saturn Ver.)

Stage 4 "Cosmo Babylon;ARRANGED Ver. From "ABSOLUTE AREA;project Thunder Force VI (Self-Arranged; I cut the begining short to flow with the level) ~ BOSS "Blue Dragon; SORCERIAN -ARRANGED BY S.S.H.

Stage 5 "Countdown; -Hyper Duel OST (Saturn Ver.) (Self-Arranged; I added a guitar slide as the track goes into full swing. IT DESPERATELY needed one there.)

Stage 6 "Black Rain;ARRANGED by S.S.H. (Self-Arranged; I cut the track to flow with the level better and fit the scene where I cut it at, which is 13:40, and there is alot of dialogue I created to fit the scene/level) ~ BOSS "Evil Destroyer (Thunder Force IV);ARRANGED by F.K."

Stage 7 "Night Sweeper; -Hyper Duel OST (Saturn Ver.) (Self-Arranged; Added Voice tracks in begining and timed the dialogue to end just as the main riff in the track and enemies show up...It's perfect) ~ BOSS "Boiled Kraken" -Hyper Duel OST (Saturn Ver.)

Stage 8 "Battleship (Thunder Force IV); ARRANGED from 'BEST OF THUNDER FORCE" (Self-Arranged; voice tracks in begining.) ~ BOSS "HYPER DUEL" -Hyper Duel OST (Saturn Ver.)

Staff Roll "Negative Energy" -Hyper Duel OST (Saturn Ver.)Name Entry "Congratulations!" -Hyper Duel OST (Saturn Ver.)

If there is any questions on as to WHY I die on purpose on Stage 4 BOSS - "BG-00 BLACK ANGEL" - It's because to obtain the best possible amount of coins in Stage 5 with Keith, you NEED to have his gun level on 2. His "SHIP" gun on 2 is more powerful than fully powered up, and his missiles are weak, unlike at full power. This set-up allows Keith to open the boxes in 6 shots and not fully destroy them with his missiles. It took awhile to create a good patteren where I could get the most coin bonuses. In this run I milk it pretty good, but you'll see where I kinda mess up the pattern and I miss the final coin. THIS STAGE IS WHERE YOU MAKE YOUR SCORE. Full meter bonus isn't that important, when measured against the amount of score te coins give. I have to use meter to have a good run on this stage.

Lastly, this run was the CLOSEST I have ever come to achieving a "NO MISS" run.

[ThunderForce 222]

If there are any questions WHY I died on Purpose on STAGE 4 BOSS...it's because I need to have Keith on GUN level 2, to optimize the coin bonus milking on Stage 5, and as there is no score penalty for dying....

[ExitPlanetDust]

ThunderForce 222, I've seen your video. Great run! I studied it and use some of your tactics in my journey to 1CC.

[ThunderForce 222]

Thank you very much!!! I am glad you enjoyed it and it's has been of use toward your game!

[Kollision]

Arcade mode:
Kollision - 2,069,398 - ALL - Lisa - Saturn

Saturn mode:
Kollision - 2,092,291 - ALL - Keith - Saturn

[ThunderForce 222]

Arcade mode:
Kollision - 2,069,398 - ALL - Lisa - Saturn

Saturn mode:
Kollision - 2,092,291 - ALL - Keith - Saturn

What difficulty were you on? What did you miss to lose your "S" Rank?

[Kollision]

What difficulty were you on? What did you miss to lose your "S" Rank?

I played on Normal.
I have absolutely no idea of what influences "rank", so I don't know what I missed.

[ThunderForce 222]

What difficulty were you on? What did you miss to lose your "S" Rank?

I played on Normal.
I have absolutely no idea of what influences "rank", so I don't know what I missed.

Okay, to achieve "S" rank you must perfect all 8 stages. You must not miss a single enemy. This will give you a Score Bonus at the end of each stage. Missing even one enemy, will lose you the stage bonus and your "S" Rank. Having full overweapon or helpers "Stock" have no effect on the rank, nor does dying, with the exception of using a continue -which you should not do- just enemies. You do not get a bonus for lives stocked up or lives lost, which is a nice gesture from Technosoft. In fact, you HAVE to die with Keith Spader on Black Angel (ST4 Boss) to get the most from the bonus crates in Stage 5 (See My Vid) Play on Maniac is my advice.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plHTLGi5XC4 -This is My Gameplay on MANIAC with BG-01. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH_IcwM_lqo--This Is Icarus' play on NORMAL with BG-02.---ENJOY!

[Ex_Mosquito]

Ex_Mosquito - 2,138,369 - ALL - Lloyd - Arcade MAME

Where do the other points come from? I got perfects on all the stages but I'm still way off the 2.27million. I hear there's a trick on stage 5 to get more orbs? Or is it just a matter of finishing all the stages with the drone helper bonus?

[ThunderForce 222]

Honestly, for stage 5 it depends on who you are using to milk the bonus coins to the max. If you are a Keith player and want to maximize the amount of coins that appear, you HAVE to die before entering the stage...I do it during the Black Angel battle. You have to have your weapon up to Lvl.2 and no more than that. This is because Keith's Lvl.2 shot when in Ship mode is more powerful than when it is at MAX Lvl. (4), and his missiles are low powered at 2, so as to not destroy a crate that you just opened to start producing coins. 1 button press at Lvl.2 is the precise amount of shots to open up a crate, without destroying it. At MAX lvl. you simply cannot maximize your coin production to boost your score. You also must find the pattern to open the crates in, how many you can let them produce before you destroy that specific crate and move on to the next. Whatever you do though, DO NOT miss destroying a single crate, even if you messed up on the amount that it was supposed to produce, as you will not receive the Perfect Bonus at the end...when in doubt, USE THAT METER!!! Most of the time, you want to have 100%, or close to it, of your meter for the end stage bonus, but in stage 5, the trade-off for more coins and the perfect bonus is far more important than the amount of meter you will end up with, therfore, the trade-off is good. Usually, I end up with about 50% meter at the end of stage 5...which, when all things considered and the sheer amount of points I accumulated is worth it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plHTLGi5XC4 ---Watch from 10:53 to 12:12...maybe this will help a bit. I am on MASTER though...and in Saturn mode.

[BOS]

hi,

it's my score for hyper duel :
BOS - 1,949,040 - ALL - Keith - Arcade MAME

my run :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtPGPnFiM4o

[BER]

*bump*

Arcade:
BER - 1,792,745 - ALL - Lisa - PCB

Archived broadcast of the run:

• http://www.twitch.tv/alamone/v/9337407?t=4h55m45s (video ends at the start of the final boss)
• http://www.twitch.tv/alamone/v/9368476 (video starts with the final boss)
• http://www.twitch.tv/alamone/v/9368476?t=4m14s (final score)

[andsuchisdeath]

Arcade

andsuchisdeath - 1,786,261 - ALL - Lisa - PCB

Spoiler

I've read that the collection of helper options doesn't increase rank, but I made multiple runs skipping quite a few of them and I
found myself no missing until the final stage several times. Definitely something I've never pulled off before.

[AKRATEN]

Akraten - 1,697,064 - ALL - Lloyd - PCB

[Despatche]

Oh right, meant to split this by character. Uh. Maybe soon.

[AlphaDog]

ALPHA - 2,297,810 - ALL - Lisa - FinalBurn Neo


replay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmH9aGPQ-Rw

2.3mil should be doable in near future

[AlphaDog]

ALPHA - 2,215,432 - ALL - Lisa
Saturn mode Normal



replay
https://youtu.be/Av3S0efjlds

[Plasmo]

Very good scores but you are also very far away from the world record in arcade mode, which leaves the description on Youtube as quite irritating.

it's a good score even without that label of "WR". Why not take it for what it is.

[AlphaDog]

Very good scores but you are also very far away from the world record in arcade mode, which leaves the description on Youtube as quite irritating.

it's a good score even without that label of "WR". Why not take it for what it is.

I will just repost my youtube comment here.
I think that score of 2.9 mil is suspicious to say the least since theoretical maximum points is 2.8mil
and bosses self destruct after a minute so you cant milk anything.
If a TASer can prove that even 2.85 mil is possible i will eat my hat.
Bonuses
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Clear - 360,000
Stock - 190,000
Perfect - 240,000
Special - 400,000
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total: - 1,190,000

Enemies
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st1 ~56,000
st2 ~90,000
st3 ~85,000
st4 ~164,000
st5 ~ 48,000 + gems
st6 ~156,000
st7 ~202,000
st8 ~76,000
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total: ~877,000

Idling
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single game is around 25 min = 1500sec
1 sec = 60 points
1500*60 = 90,000 (idling all game)
500*60 = 30,000 (idling 1/3 of the game)
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total: - 30,000

Lets add:
1,190,000+877,000+30000=2,097,000 points

STG Hall of Records 2,913,144 points
Theoretical max(no gems) 2,097,000 points

The difference is 816,144 so lets calculate how many gems that is:
816144 / 19 crates = 42954 points per crate
42954 / 10000 = 4 gems per crate

*first crate drops low value gems thus 19 crates
*each destroyed crate is worth 2.400 points


Unless there is video recording of someone dropping 12 gems on a single screen and getting perfect on stage 5,
this entry from the STG Hall of Records should be considered not valid.

[Plasmo]

Saying that something is impossible only because you don't know how it was done is the easy way out. You will probably not figure it out this way.

However, if you have figured out how to get 2.8m already you are not that far off. Look further and I'm sure you can reach the Japanese scores.

The WR player isn't the only person with the knowledge on how to achieve scores this high btw. There are dozens of other players around. In fact, the very first score submission for Hyper Duel in February of 1994 already started at 2.6m.

If you feel absolutely lost with this game, you can always try asking the WR holder. He's still around and can maybe help you out too.

Good luck!

[AlphaDog]

You said your thing i said mine.
It is what it is.