Same! Same! Same!/Fire Shark

Despatche · Joined: 02 Dec 2010 Posts: 3325 Location: the black gate

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3 lives, extends at 70K and every 200K, invulnerability off of course, and Medium difficulty. Interestingly, all versions appear to have the same dipswitch settings. Most Toaplan games try to have at least different (lower) extend settings for non-Japanese versions.

-Arcade: First you have Same! Same! Same! 1P, is a totally different game and much harder than any other version. Then you have Same! Same! Same! 2P, which Fire Shark is a slightly harder version of. Finally, you have the Dooyong's "easy" and "hard" versions based on SSS 2P. The 2P arcade versions are split by player side.
-Mega Drive: Like many of the Toaplan ports, the Japanese version is slightly harder, and all carts have both versions of gameplay.

You can get trap15's "New Ver!" hack here.
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Post scores in this format:

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VERSION - PLAYER SIDE
NAME - SCORE - AREA - AUTOFIRE - DETAILS

DETAILS is for what console/emulator, what region release, etc; SSS has different physical ROMs for each cart, and it's unknown if there are any differences between them.
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Arcade versions
Same! Same! Same! 1P version

Code:

  Perikles          -   3,888,240  - 02-06-05 - Yes - ShmupMAME v4.2
  saucykobold       -   1,686,100  - 01-07-08 - Yes - MAME
  trap15            -   1,242,290  - 01-08-01 - Yes - PCB
  Jaimers           -     995,930  - 01-06-09 - Yes - MAME
  maximo            -     936,660  - 01-06-06 - Yes - ARCADE v0.195
  Aquas             -     628,580  - 01-06-07 - Yes - MAME
  drb               -     443,450  - 01-04-09 - ??  - PCB 
  Despatche         -     428,040  - 01-03-10 - Yes - ShmupMAME v3.0b

Same! Same! Same! 2P version

Code:

=1P side=
1.  Domino            -   2,598,340  - 02-02-01 - Yes - ShmupMAME v4.? {Unconfirmed side}

Fire Shark

Code:

=1P side=
  Mills             - 100,000,000+ - 11-05-?? - ??  - PCB {Unconfirmed side}
  Stanski           -  60,980,890  - 1?-08-?? - ??  - PCB {Unconfirmed side}
  DEL               -  25,000,000+ - ??-??-?? - ??  - PCB {Unconfirmed side}
  maximo            -   3,072,340  - 02-02-01 - Yes - ARCADE v0.195
  mulletgeezer      -   3,045,990  - 01-01-?? - ??  - PCB {Unconfirmed side}
  Baron Rojo        -   3,003,880  - ??-??-?? - No  - ShmupMAME v4.2 {Unconfirmed side}
  CIT               -   1'661'310  - 01-09-09 - Yes - PCB
  saucykobold       -   1,351,950  - 01-08-03 - Yes - MAME {Unconfirmed side}
  SAM               -   1,341,030  - 01-08-06 - ??  - PCB {Unconfirmed side}
JEP               -     899,920  - 01-07-09 - Yes - PCB (May be SSS 2P)
Ed Oscuro         -     463,260  - 01-03-09 - ??  - MAME

=2P side=
  KoopaTGR          -   1,388,500  - 01-09-09 - Yes - MAME

Same! Same! Same! New Ver!

Code:

  maximo            -     925,180  - 01-07-02 - --- - ARCADE v0.195
  Shepardus         -     701,240  - 01-05-04 - --- - MAME v0.185
  trap15            -     441,970  - 01-04-09 - --- - MAME

Mega Drive versions
Same! Same! Same!
Easy difficulty

Code:

  Perikles          -  42,451,530  - 61 - On  - JP cart
  THE ALLETT        -  14,239,960  - 25 - Off - JP cart+JP MD
  Fireshark         -  11,772,750  - 30 - On  - ??
  PlasmaBlooD       -  10,808,370  - 30 - On  - EU cart+JP MD (!)
  CIT               -   6,970,850  - 21 - On  - ??
  Despatche         -   5,420,260  - 13 - On  - Kega Fusion v3.64 (JP cart+JP MD)
  drboom            -   4,487,740  - 18 - Off - ??
  SAM               -   2,281,490  - 10 - On  - ??
  BrianC            -   2,068,950  - 09 - Off - US cart+JP MD

Normal difficulty

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  Perikles          -  16,815,410  - 40 - On  - JP cart+???? 
  Blo               -   7,931,710  - 23 - On  - JP cart+JP MD
  THE ALLETT        -   4,366,960  - 14 - Off - JP cart+JP MD
  CRI               -   3,665,990  - 11 - On  - Kega Fusion v3.64 (JP MD)
  UGO               -   3,501,610  - 17 - On  - Unknown
  maximo            -   2,969,620  - 11 - On  - Kega Fusion v3.64 (US cart+JP MD?)
  SAM               -   2,668,650  - 10 - On  - ??

Hard difficulty

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Fire Shark
Easy difficulty

Code:

  Fireshark         -  17,210,260  - 31 - On  - EU MD@60Hz
  incognoscente     -   7,889,160  - 19 - On  - ??
  Dunpeal2064       -   5,380,350  - 20 - On  - US cart+Genesis
  sjewkestheloon    -   5,051,750  - 16 - On  - ??
  Super X Gamma     -   4,309,870  - 12 - On  - ??
  it290             -   3,752,380  - 11 - On  - ??
  szycag            -   3,347,000  - 12 - On  - ??
  MTH               -   3,325,440  - 11 - On  - ??
  Ed Oscuro         -   3,266,920  - 10 - Off - ??
Andi              -   3,233,790  - 17 - On  - ??
Despatche         -   3,145,010  - 09 - On  - US dump+Kega Fusion
elbarto           -   3,124,000  - 14 - On  - ??
maximo            -   2,957,380  - 12 - On  - US dump+Kega Fusion v3.64
Sonic R           -   1,826,950  - 10 - On  - ??
JoshF             -   1,242,160  - 08 - On  - ??
Bloodreign        -     977,760  - 08 - On  - US cart+Genesis

Normal difficulty

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  bottino           -   7 500 540  - 23 - On  - Genesis 1
  Kollision         -   5,352,760  - 16 - On  - US cart+Gen-SCD-32X
  andsuchisdeath    -   4,280,370  - 13 - On  - US cart+Genesis
  Geekman1222       -   4,279,580  - 17 - On  - US cart+Genesis
  maximo            -   3,806,110  - 14 - On  - US dump+Kega Fusion v3.64
  Chempop           -   3,165,090  - 12 - Off - Genesis
  UGO               -   2,672,290  - 12 - On  - Unknown
  RFP               -   2,377,340  - 10 - On  - ??
  Michaelm          -   2,224,900  - 08 - On  - ??
sjewkestheloon    -   1,858,350  - 09 - On  - ??
Ayanami           -   1,854,800  - 08 - On  - ??
Bloodreign        -   1,727,130  - 08 - On  - US cart+Genesis
chum              -   1,509,110  - 08 - On  - Kega Fusion
elbarto           -   1,364,280  - 08 - On  - ??
Ed Oscuro         -   1,162,540  - 07 - Off - ??
raiden            -   1,157,370  - 08 - ?   - ??
bVork             -   1,063,950  - 07 - On  - ??

Hard difficulty

Code:

1. TheSoulScream - 15,420,430 - 41 - ?? - Genesis

saucykobold · **Posted:** Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:19 pm

Same! Same! Same! 1P version
saucykobold - 505,620 - 04-05 - YES - MAME

This version is glorious. It's also stupendously difficult, holy mackerel. I was side-sniped shortly after I got the 16-way. :lol:

Ruldra wrote:

Do you have a link for ThunderMAME and the sound sample?

Toaplan sound samples are here, emulator's here.

You specifically want ThunderMAME32+ (tmamep.7z); I don't think the other builds will recognize the samples.

(mod edit - link to samples removed, sorry but no direct links to copyrighted material)

Ruldra · Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 4191 Location: Brazil

Thanks man! Looking forward to play the arcade version with sound.

Aquas · Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 1531 Location: Minnesota, USA

Same! Same! Same! 1P version
Aquas - 628,580 - 01-06-07 - YES - MAME

First run where I got the fully powered up spread shot, that was pretty amazing but the rank went nuts. Went on to recover, beating the st. 5 boss with a level 2 Fire Weapon. That was epic: having to sweep the screen side to side to clear the popcorn, while weaving between the intermittent shots of the bosses cannon in the center. Wow!

Also a note: When the large mid-sized planes rush down, shooting their hefty bursts. It seems one of these planes will contain a 1up. I don't know if it's you have to destroy 1 first, or if it's a specific plane. But the 1up is among them. They come at 2 points during the first five stages, possibly gaining you 2 extra lives.

saucykobold · **Posted:** Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:49 pm

Same! Same! Same! 1P version
saucykobold - 708,510 - 01-05-07 - YES - MAME

Aquas · Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 1531 Location: Minnesota, USA

saucykobold wrote:

Same! Same! Same! 1P version
saucykobold - 708,510 - 01-05-07 - YES - MAME

Bad saucykobold, bad! I didn't want to return to this hellishly difficult game... but you might make me!

Nice score.

saucykobold · **Posted:** Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:26 am

Ha, thanks. Hellishly difficult is right--I recently save-stated to the latter half of the first loop and was kinda shocked at how hard the game gets. The city stage is brutal.

Aquas · Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 1531 Location: Minnesota, USA

Yes it's no fucking joke! Haha.

DEL · Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Posts: 4116 Location: Oort Cloud

I've only played Same Same Same once. What are the differences between it and Fire Shark? Is it the checkpoint thing?

saucykobold · **Posted:** Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:37 pm

Fire Shark is easier in a couple ways. The popcorn count is lower, enemies shoot less often, bullets are a little slower, and some boss attack patterns are toned down. The Japanese version compensates somewhat for its harder difficulty by letting you have more spread bullets on-screen at once.

Edit: In Fire Shark, the entire playfield is always visible à la Strikers. Same! Same! Same! has Raiden-esque horizontal scrolling, so getting corner-sniped is a real threat.

Fire Shark AC
saucykobold - 1,351,950 - 01-08-03 - YES - MAME

The city stage is pretty tough in both releases. :lol:

DEL · Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Posts: 4116 Location: Oort Cloud

Thanks for the reply saucykobold.
The bullet speed is going to be negligible as it speeds up on each loop on Fire Shark, but I agree that the other points you mention are going to make Same! Same! Same! a little harder.
Once you work out how to get through the last 3 stages though, multi-looping should still be possible.

Fireshark · Joined: 06 Aug 2010 Posts: 6

I played the Euro Version (Fireshark) on the Mega Drive again and did a new highscore. I recorded a video as well. :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OSDo6rkgbA

Fireshark - 17,210,260 - 04-01 - ON

Plasmo · Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 3291 Location: In a storm

Fireshark wrote:

World Record

Haha. No.

Fireshark · Joined: 06 Aug 2010 Posts: 6

I meant no disrespect but I did not find any scoreboards with higher score online.

Despatche · Joined: 02 Dec 2010 Posts: 3325 Location: the black gate

Same! Same! Same! for Mega Drivers - Easy difficulty
Despatche - 4,247,290 - 02-03 - ON - Kega Fusion 3.64

argh final stage

Despatche · Joined: 02 Dec 2010 Posts: 3325 Location: the black gate

Fire Shark for Genesis - Easy difficulty
Despatche - 3,145,010 - 01-09 - ON - Kega Fusion 3.64

Yet again, I wonder if there really are any regional differences. Finally got over stage 7 and then some shitty turret in stage 9 ruins everything.

Bloodreign · Joined: 01 Jul 2005 Posts: 1145 Location: Louisiana

From what I've noticed, ships fire a little more in the Japanese version, tested on a US cart with region changing code from long ago. Other than that, not much else.

chum · Joined: 30 Jul 2011 Posts: 958

Fire Shark MD (Normal Difficulty)
chum - 1,509,110 - 01-08 - ON - Kega Fusion

Bloodreign · Joined: 01 Jul 2005 Posts: 1145 Location: Louisiana

I never did put what system I got my two high scores on, both on a real Genesis.

the allett · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 265 Location: England

Same! Same! Same!(EASY)
THE ALLETT - 10,187,350 - 03-08 - OFF -jap md+cart

Same! Same! Same! (NORMAL)
THE ALLETT - 4,366,960 - 02-04 - OFF -jap md+cart

Mills · **Posted:** Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:39 pm

Decent replay of japanese version.
Part-1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4W5wZJJ ... er&list=UL
Part-2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDCeVzU7 ... re=related

the allett · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 265 Location: England

Same! Same! Same!(EASY)
THE ALLETT - 14,239,960 - 03-05 - OFF -jap md+cart

drboom · Joined: 27 Oct 2007 Posts: 885 Location: Colorado Springs

Same! Same! Same! 1 player pcb
drb - 443,450 - 04-09 - pcb

Set this a while back on a borrowed 1p Same! pcb. Awesome version. Now I just need to find one of these pcb's for myself!

**oh, and no autofire**

Kollision · Joined: 16 Aug 2008 Posts: 2528 Location: BRA

Fire Shark, Mega Drive NORMAL

Kollision - 5,352,760 - 2-6 - ON - Super Battleship Formation + US cart

Super Battleship Formation = Genesis model 1 + Sega CD model 2 + 32X

jepjepjep · Joined: 18 Nov 2008 Posts: 937

I had a good run after switching from the 1P version to the 2P version. Same!Same!Same! is just too tough for me.

Fire Shark (arcade)

JEP - 899,920 - 01-07-09 - YES - PCB

trap15 · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:11 am

Same!Same!Same! (Arcade)
trap15 - 314,080 - 01-03-08 - YES - MAME

<3 it

Jaimers · Joined: 30 Dec 2010 Posts: 499

Same! Same! Same! 1P version
Jaimers - 995,930 - 01-06-09 - YES - MAME

This game is silly.

No-miss first four stages and then I flailed the rest because I didn't practice anything after that.
Checkpoints are dumb.

CIT · Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 4322 Location: Berlin, Germany

Just got this game. Opening gambit:

Fire Shark (Arcade)
CIT - 1'661'310 - 01-09-09 - YES - PCB

Damn name entry is always stuck on "AA_" with my PCB, anybody know what's up with that?

jpj · Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 3677

because the autofire button?

CIT · Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 4322 Location: Berlin, Germany

That's not it, I took out the autofire-PCB and it's the same. Oddly the 2P side doesn't have this issue.

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