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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:02 am 



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ProjectAKo wrote:
Sweet! You should upload a video.


Yeah I will post a video at some point (I have a ton of replays saved). Im just contemplating if I want to try to go for the autofire record (the non autofire record is either bogus or there is some obscure tricks being used) or just be done with this game. I would need a perfect run to do it, and probably need to figure out a few more point optimizations in stage 5 and 7. Unfortunately there appears to be an element of luck (?) on stage 6 for another 2k points. Im not sure what triggers it but sometimes way more ships are spawned near the end of the level somtimes. The last score I posted got a very favorable anount of ships.
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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:09 am 


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Heh. Even if the score is maxed out, you can still tie it. :P

Also, maybe that guy figured out something that one could only figure out from playing with autofire off? Just a thought.
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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:02 am 


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another slight increase, sorry for the spam:

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HAN - 1,303,770 - Hydra - Genesis/MD


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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:42 am 



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Another high score for Thunder Force AC:
PEG - 2,405,600 - ALL - MAME (Japan)

I still can't figure out what makes the ships spawn like crazy in stage 6, but I got a shitload of them in this run. That combined with a near flawless stage 7 made for my best score yet. Still fucked up a few spots in the earlier levels though. The seeming randomness(?) of stage 6 makes me want to stop playing this game, because even if I play everything else flawless I can still get fucked over by 2-3K worth of points right there.

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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:38 am 



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Thunder Force AC
PEG - 2,407,200 - ALL - MAME (Japan)

Is this the end of my journey with this game? I know I've said that about 50 times in this thread, but I think I'm really done this time. This supposedly breaks the Japanese WR score using autofire.

I got a shitty draw on the stage 6 ship spawn and still managed to beat my old score. For the record, I still believe a score about 4-5K or more is possible (I've done it with save states), but I'm just not good enough to pull that off, and there are some really aggravating parts to this game like the randomness of stage 6 (loss of 1-3K points with low ship spawn) and even worse the fucking bug(?) where the stage 3 midboss doesn't show up (5K points down the toilet there).

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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:51 am 


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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:53 am 


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Thunder Force AC
PEG - 2,407,200 - ALL - MAME (Japan)

Is this the end of my journey with this game? I know I've said that about 50 times in this thread, but I think I'm really done this time. This supposedly breaks the Japanese WR score using autofire.

I got a shitty draw on the stage 6 ship spawn and still managed to beat my old score. For the record, I still believe a score about 4-5K or more is possible (I've done it with save states), but I'm just not good enough to pull that off, and there are some really aggravating parts to this game like the randomness of stage 6 (loss of 1-3K points with low ship spawn) and even worse the fucking bug(?) where the stage 3 midboss doesn't show up (5K points down the toilet there).

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Congratulations :o :D . If is a wolfmame replay, I suggest you to send it on Afterburners site, for a higher visibility for the japanese players.


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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:11 pm 



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I will upload a video eventually, I've not only saved all of my MAME replays but also done a live recording with OBS for each run. I still might do a few more runs though, we will see.
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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:17 pm 


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pegboy wrote:
The highest scoring replay I've found online was a autofire score of 2.391M.


yes, 2.391 is the top score video never appeared on the web in these last 15 years. About 中井鯉絵(こ)(ん)(で)(ら) there aren't informations. I never see this name in other hi-score.


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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:27 am 



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Yup, I'm still doing this:
TF AC - Have a pic and will put it up later.
PEG - 2,409,460 - ALL - MAME (Japan)
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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:14 pm 


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pegboy wrote:
Yup, I'm still doing this:
TF AC - Have a pic and will put it up later.
PEG - 2,409,460 - ALL - MAME (Japan)

Good work. Table updated.
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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:32 pm 



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Thanks, the only other thing would be separating out the Saturn scores for Thunder Force AC. The Saturn version scoring is broken, it's much easier to post high scores with that version because they changed a bunch of the point values (I pointed some of the examples out in an earlier post) for some stupid reason. I'm also pretty sure you can just farm the stage 4 boss forever and counterstop the game, but I haven't actually tested that (maybe he times out?).
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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:03 pm 


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Massive congrats Pegboy! It's really nice that recently some farm members have been getting world record or near world record scores. Keep up the good work guys! :mrgreen:
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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:53 am 



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Well I fucking did it, and god damn it was close.
Thunder Force AC:
PEG - 2,412,170 - ALL - MAME (Japan)

This is probably my proudest achievement ever in gaming, an actual world record score. Now I'm sure it can be broken, in fact I know I could probably beat this if I grind the game more, but at least I know that at one point in history I owned a world record score for a Japanese shmup.
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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:24 am 


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So what was the deal? Was it all RNG?
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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:07 am 



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Yes and no. In the last run I posted, I didn't get a favorable amount of ships in stage 6, so there is actually another 2K missing right there if I could trigger it. Still haven't figured out how to do it, I need to study some of my replays to see I guess? I did pretty much pitch a near perfect game other that that.

My only glaring mistake was missing 500 points from one of the pillars at the end of stage 7, and also nearly killing myself in the process. I dropped from full shield to nothing...god damn I almost pissed it all away right there, and had to clear the stage 7 boss and stage 8 naked. It's not like the final stage is hard (it's actually piss easy) to do, but when I'm shaking like a maniac and my heart rate goes up that high it's hard to not fuck it up.

In theory (and I've done so with save states) you can get another 3-4K or so on top of what I did if you literally are perfect on everything and also trigger the stage 6 ships.

For the record, I still think that non-autofire score is bullshit.
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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:50 pm 


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Congrats, Pegboy!

Are you going to be releasing the video? I've not played the Japan version of this game, only the "world" version which is at the arcade I work at; I'm curious to see the differences.


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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:59 pm 



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Yes, I will be posting the video at some point, but I might try to raise the score a bit more if I can.

I played through the world version once, and I think the only difference is that there are less bullets being fired. I Might try it again just to see, since I have the Japanese version memorized down to every single enemy lol. The world version is definitely easier from what I remember.
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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:12 pm 


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might as well post my Thunder Force AC world version score, before I forget!

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HAN - 2,314,590 - ALL - PCB (World)

No autofire used in this run, if that matters.


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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:12 pm 



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I played the world version a little bit. There are a bunch of differences...

Right off the bat there are enemies missing in level one (hornets when you get the first L powerup) compared to the Japan version. There is also an extra powerup in level 1 in the world version. The bosses and other enemies (like the missiles in stage 1) die much quicker. The bosses die almost instantaneously in the world version if you use autofire. I mean they die quick in the Japanese version too, but not that quick.

Level 2 missing a bunch of enemies as well, also powerups in new spots, missing powerups in other spots, etc.

As far as scoring, it's really hard to say if you can score more or less than the Japan version, but I know you end stage 1 up about 10K points from the Japanese version because of that extra powerup. But I also noticed a powerup missing in level 2, and there are overall much fewer enemies, so maybe the score potential is actually lower? It would be hard to say without studying it further, but there are definitely enough differences where the score tables should not be combined. Extra/missing powerups make a massive difference in this game for scoring since they are 10K each, so you'd really have to figure all of them out to find the max score potential for the world version, and I'm not going to be doing that lol.

If you are playing on MAME, I'd def stick with the Japan ROM as that to me is the definitive version of the game. World version has too many missing enemies and needless changes IMO.
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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:54 pm 


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Thunder Force III (normal):

CIT - 1206520 - ALL - MD (jp)

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CIT - 1208550 - ALL - Saturn (jp)

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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 2:02 am 



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After about 10 hours of failed runs I broke my previous score by a pretty decent amount:
Thunder Force AC:
PEG - 2,414,620 - ALL - MAME (Japan)
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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
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2,414,000... a result that until 1 month ago seemed impossible to achieve :D

Please release a 1280 x 720 video!


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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:41 am 


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you must be finding all sorts of tiny optimizations :shock:
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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 7:18 pm 



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Yeah, but I'm still missing out on thousands of points even with my last run. I think the theoretical maximum score would be in the realm of ~2.42M with my current knowledge of the game. Hard as hell to pull off though, at least for me.
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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:17 am 



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Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTqKvA092pA
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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:46 am 


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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:33 pm 


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Congrats on the world record! Amazing run.
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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:55 am 


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I had no idea the pillars at the end of the second to last stage were destructible! Have to test that in the MD version, too...

Incredible replay, congrats again.


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 Post subject: Re: Thunder Force 3 & Thunder Force AC
PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:44 am 


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Here's a Mania difficulty run for Genesis / MD, did this on a US Genesis with an Everdrive cart:

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Thunder Force 3 (Mania):
HAN - 6,701,900 - Haides - Genesis / MD

replay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVBdsEaQgSU


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