Why do so few shmups utilize the charge shot?

tehkao · Post by **tehkao** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:24 pm

Outside the R-Type series there's few shmups I can think of that has the charge-shot. There's Sokyu and other R-Type clones, but I think that's about it...19XX has the "charge bomb" which is also pretty neat...

It's a shame IMHO...the charge shot is such a cool idea, I wonder why most other mainstream shmups have not copied this idea? IMHO it's much cooler to have a charge-shot weapon than a bomb.

shiftace · Post by **shiftace** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:26 pm

Yeah, it is a cool idea. Some games with charge shots:

1943 (NES)
Parsec47
Radio Zonde, Khyh only
Recca - Ok, it's a charge bomb and a shield. I think it's fair to call it a charge shot.
Torus Trooper

sffan · Post by **sffan** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:31 pm

Esprade and Espgaluda have charge shots.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:04 pm

Super EDF, Power Strike, Super Aleste, Power Strike 2, Blazing Star, Dragon Breed, Dragon Saber and Eco Fighters feature at least one charge shot weapon.

theevilfunkster · Post by **theevilfunkster** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:10 pm

doesnt thunder force IV have a charge shot weapon?

landshark · Post by **landshark** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:17 pm

Some of the ships in the raiden fighters series use charge shots.

I personally hate them.

TVG · Post by **TVG** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:36 pm

play blazing star if you like charge shots, the scoring system is centered around it (that and gem collecting)

i never really considered the souky web as a charge shot o_O, but if you think about it, it sort of is, but not really.

and pretty much all psikyo games have charge shots.

the e-laser(correct name?) from the gradius series.

TF4 has the claw device wich does a charged beam if you dont shoot for a while, but only past stage 5.

TF5 has the coolest charge system ever

battle bakraid has one, it requires not to fire instead of holding button.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:38 pm

At least half the shooters on Neo Geo have a charge shot.

TVG · Post by **TVG** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:40 pm

because all of them are r-type clones :p

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:49 pm

Detana Twinbee and Twinbee Yahho have charge shots. Yahho actually has four different types of charge shots. The Donpachis have a charge laser (well, at least the first two do). Gradius III and Gradius Galaxies have charge lasers, if I remember correctly. Iridion II has a charge shot too.

TVG · Post by **TVG** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:57 pm

donpachi series dont really have a charge shot, they have a laser, but you just hold the button and it fires endlessly, nothing charges at all.

popawell · Post by **popawell** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:12 pm

Gradius 3 and gradius V have a charge shot option in the weapon editor. I like to call them boss busters because they can kill many bosses in 1 shot (with the 4 options focused in one spot)

Ed, what in heavens name were you thinking? Absolutley nothing Double D.

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:31 pm

Psikyo's Gunbirds and Sengoku Blade also have them. I hardly think charge shots are as rare as you make them out to be.

tehkao · Post by **tehkao** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:00 am

Ooops you're right Sokyu doesn't have a charge shot, I think I was thinking of another game....

Actually vertical shmups with charge shots are pretty rare huh? The only one I can think of offhand is Elemental Master (well it's more like a charge which activates your super magic attack)

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:15 am

Phelios.

Rastan78 · Post by **Rastan78** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:22 am

Dimahoo, among other verts. Dimahoo stands out because what level charge shot you release is pretty much the focus of the whole scoring system.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:24 am

tehkao wrote:Ooops you're right Sokyu doesn't have a charge shot, I think I was thinking of another game....

Actually vertical shmups with charge shots are pretty rare huh? The only one I can think of offhand is Elemental Master (well it's more like a charge which activates your super magic attack)

Didn't you read the earlier posts? Detana Twinbee, Twinbee Yahho (with four charge options, three of them shots), and Iridion II are vertical. It's debateable whether or not that laser thing in Donpachi/Dodonpachi is a charge shot, but you can make it bigger with a bomb and it is a stronger shot that is seperate from the main shot. Someone also mentioned 1943 and some Psyiko games (and that includes some of their verts). There's also Dangun Feveron with the roll charge shot. I'm sure there are plenty of other verts with charge shots too.

Darkcomet72 · Post by **Darkcomet72** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:20 am

popawell wrote: Ed, what in heavens name were you thinking? Absolutley nothing Double D.

Anyway, Would Ikaruga's homing lasers, Radiant silvergun's hypersword, Mar's matrix gravity reflector, and Gigawing's Reflect barrier count as charge shots? (Mabye charges?)

Mabye charges aren't as rare as we take it...

tehkao · Post by **tehkao** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:25 am

1943 had charge shots???

I don't remember that at all.....

Oh yeah, Biohazard Battle had charge shots too...

Ok maybe charge shots are not as rare as I thought they are.

But I still think most "popular" shmups don't have charge shots..you usually find them in the more "fringe" games.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:36 am

The Vasara series' weapon attacks might count...the Game Tengoku series has 'em too.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:47 am

tehkao wrote:1943 had charge shots???

I don't remember that at all.....

Oh yeah, Biohazard Battle had charge shots too...

Ok maybe charge shots are not as rare as I thought they are.

But I still think most "popular" shmups don't have charge shots..you usually find them in the more "fringe" games.

1943 NES, but it might not have been in the arcade. 1943 Kai TG-16 doesn't have a charge shot. Umm, a good amount of horizontal and vertical shmups use charge shots and some games like the Donpachis have borderline charge shots. I don't know where you get this "fringe" games idea from. The Twinbees were very popular in Japan and R-Type is still considered a classic to this day.

IlMrm · Post by **IlMrm** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:44 am

As vagrant mentioned earlier, Psikyo games have charge shots.

Strikers 1945, 1945 2, 1999, Plus, Gunbird, Gunbird 2, Dragon Blaze.

Zero Gunner 2 too.

Frogacuda · Post by **Frogacuda** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 1:37 pm

Viewpoint, strikers, Iridion 2, Gunbird 2, Raiden Fighters series (certain ships), Dragon Blaze, 19XX... There are tons.

Blade · Post by **Blade** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:50 pm

Vasara had something akin to a charged shot I know (actually a charged Sword attack, but that's semantics).

Arrowflash had the option to stock or charge attacks too.

worm · Post by **worm** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 12:21 am

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