haha, what an embattled community we are: "it's too good to be true, surely it's going to suck."CRP wrote:Want to like this but surely the emulation on atleast Armed Police Batrider & Battle Bakraid will be disappointing.
I think the Hamster logo is because they have the rights to Nihon Bussan's portfolio of games, and Moon Cresta is on there. Not sure about the rest, but I'm worried that whoever is handling the emulation will be spread too thinly here and the quality will be inconsistent depending on game. And even then they'll be programming a low power ARM chip which might not have a GPU (the Game Gear Micro was powered by a 600Mhz ARM9 without any GPU, which explains its ridiculously short battery life and worse emulation compared with 3DS virtual console).jehu wrote:haha, what an embattled community we are: "it's too good to be true, surely it's going to suck."CRP wrote:Want to like this but surely the emulation on atleast Armed Police Batrider & Battle Bakraid will be disappointing.
Anyone know who's handling everything under the hood? I saw a Hamster Corp. trademark on the Sega site where the preorders are presumably up, but it was buried in with a bunch of other company trademarks. Anyone able to pull this info out of the announcement?
Just trying to be realistic about the expectations here, if M2 cant emulate Batrider well on ps4 then i dont have any hope if will run well on astro mini.jehu wrote:haha, what an embattled community we are: "it's too good to be true, surely it's going to suck."CRP wrote:Want to like this but surely the emulation on atleast Armed Police Batrider & Battle Bakraid will be disappointing.
https://www.siliconera.com/m2-discusses ... -and-more/One of the bottlenecks for a rerelease of Armed Police Batrider by M2 is that it runs even slower than Battle Garegga, as the game came out afterwards. Overall, games from the latter half of the 90s are barely able to run with the PS4’s specs in M2 rereleases.
The emulation on the original Astro City Mini wasn't bad, it was more accurate than Mame for many of the games. The problem was the image quality was really quite bad, lacking both integer scaling and interpolation, leading to distracting pixel crawl on both the Mini's 480p display and the HDMI out. The scanlines option didn't help either, one of the worst implementation of virtual scanlines I've seen. It really will depend on how sensitive your eyes are to it, and whether you swear by filters or don't mind raw pixels with pixel crawling artifacts all over the place.banjoted wrote:I guess what I'm wondering is whether this is "eek, these games run like actual shite" type emulation problems or "actually, these run fine for normal humans and it's just them hyper-critical online types getting uppity because the input lag is 1ms worse than the original, the slowdown is slightly off and colour palette isn't precisely 100% spot on" type emulation problems?
I wish Congo Bongo made the cut. It's not as interesting a game as Donkey Kong, but it's a fascinating history piece and the arcade version is much better than the SG1000 port: https://nintendosegajapan.com/2016/01/2 ... go-sg1000/Rastan78 wrote:Edit: The developer of Zaxxon and Donkey Kong was company called Ikegami Tsushinki.
http://gdri.smspower.org/wiki/index.php ... _Tsushinki
Gsk https://twitter.com/gosokkyu/status/1471816918075985921condolences to everyone waking up to the realisation that Batrider & Bakraid have been consigned to a desk toy
Both are on the PS360 Mega Drive collection as bonuses. I miss when this sort of thing got an actual release for consoles and not a weird standalone device.harborline765 wrote:I wish Congo Bongo made the cut. It's not as interesting a game as Donkey Kong, but it's a fascinating history piece and the arcade version is much better than the SG1000 port: https://nintendosegajapan.com/2016/01/2 ... go-sg1000/Rastan78 wrote:Edit: The developer of Zaxxon and Donkey Kong was company called Ikegami Tsushinki.
http://gdri.smspower.org/wiki/index.php ... _Tsushinki
Same here. They can't create the same fear of missing out that will drive scalpers and collectors to hoard these things with an easily available console release. Gotta drive up those preorders.TransatlanticFoe wrote:I miss when this sort of thing got an actual release for consoles and not a weird standalone device.
Cheers for that. This all sounds pretty fair tbh. I'm certainly not a big fan of aggressive scanlines. I may possibly be able to tolerate the crawl, but is definitely something I need to ponder. Thanks.harborline765 wrote:The emulation on the original Astro City Mini wasn't bad, it was more accurate than Mame for many of the games. The problem was the image quality was really quite bad, lacking both integer scaling and interpolation, leading to distracting pixel crawl on both the Mini's 480p display and the HDMI out. The scanlines option didn't help either, one of the worst implementation of virtual scanlines I've seen. It really will depend on how sensitive your eyes are to it, and whether you swear by filters or don't mind raw pixels with pixel crawling artifacts all over the place.banjoted wrote:I guess what I'm wondering is whether this is "eek, these games run like actual shite" type emulation problems or "actually, these run fine for normal humans and it's just them hyper-critical online types getting uppity because the input lag is 1ms worse than the original, the slowdown is slightly off and colour palette isn't precisely 100% spot on" type emulation problems?
The worry with this new unit, beyond them repeating the same mistakes with the image quality, is some of the games are more ambitious and there are a lot of them, so Sega Toys are likely to be spread thinly again working on reproducing them. I hope they do a good job and the display options are significantly better. Will definitely get one if so but after the first Astro Mini being rather disappointing I'm not going to preorder this.
That's not saying much if 32bit games are included like in that case.harborline765 wrote:
The emulation on the original Astro City Mini wasn't bad, it was more accurate than Mame for many of the games.
As I've read elsewhere, most games here use originally 320x240 (240x320, to be precise) and that should simplify the matter a lot for both - the device's monitor and the TV ouput, in comparison with the first ACM (which had even a 25khz game), but the problem is that it doesn't seem these people care enough, even for Japanese developers standards. It doesn't seem there's nothing more ambitious here than say Virtua Fighter or GA Revenge of Death Adder and most have glitches-free emulation in Mame, but these developers are not reliable and it's indeed a shame this likely implies we won't get say, an M2 Batrider on a proper system in many years now. But as this thread shows, people are happy with anything, so we'll get more of this instead of more of the other as it's been happening for some time now.harborline765 wrote:The problem was the image quality was really quite bad, lacking both integer scaling and interpolation, leading to distracting pixel crawl on both the Mini's 480p display and the HDMI out. The scanlines option didn't help either, one of the worst implementation of virtual scanlines I've seen. It really will depend on how sensitive your eyes are to it, and whether you swear by filters or don't mind raw pixels with pixel crawling artifacts all over the place.
The worry with this new unit, beyond them repeating the same mistakes with the image quality, is some of the games are more ambitious and there are a lot of them, so Sega Toys are likely to be spread thinly again working on reproducing them. I hope they do a good job and the display options are significantly better.
To this note and others talking about it being just a desk toy, remember that it has HDMI out and supports a variety of USB controllers. It's just a mini console that happens to have a screen on it. I have my original AC mini hooked up to a monitor and it's great.To Far Away Times wrote:I would be all over this if it was Arcade 1-UP sized.
I can't imagine using something this small to play the games for more than a casual credit or two.
Sweet, done easily ?Jonpachi wrote:To Far Away Times wrote: I have my original AC mini hooked up to a monitor and it's great.
Rastan78 wrote:Damn, so many games I want in a format that I don't want them in.
