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 Post subject: Best non-Cave shmups on Xbox 360?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:48 pm 


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My 360 collection is sadly in storage in a foreign country, and damn if I don't miss that thing. I have most of the Cave shmups in my collection, but little else besides Raiden Fighters Aces.

I stumbled onto a really good deal on an import console and a fight stick, and a I'm thinking of starting up a little sub-set of non-Cave shmups to validate this redundant-as-hell purchase. What are some of the gems I've missed out on? I often hear that Eschatos is good. What's up with those Shooting Love collections? Is Shiki 3 an improvement over 2? So many games!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:52 pm 


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The second shooting love release which includes Deltazeal (G-Stream G2020 in the arcades) was a great (and late) release for the 360. Deltazeal is great, especially if you like the Raiden Fighters games. (but then again I think it's also on Steam for next to nothing.....)


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 Post subject: Re: Best non-Cave shmups on Xbox 360?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:02 pm 


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Under Defeat HD is probably the non-Cave 360 shmup I've had the most fun with.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:08 pm 


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Starfighter wrote:
Under Defeat HD is probably the non-Cave 360 shmup I've had the most fun with.


Recently discovered this was released on Xbox Live years ago. Was missing playing my DC copy with no good way to hook it up currently, so I went through the trouble of getting my 360 onine so I could download it. It's a really nice port and a steal at $20!


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Eschatos is super good.

I was initially turned off by the basic flying saucer ufo designs, but once you play it, the presentation is joyous and infectious. The game has plenty of ideas and tricks up its sleeve, its great.

Great difficulty balancing too. Not too hard, not too easy. Repeat playthroughs tended to yield more progress almost every time I played it. Very player friendly design too.
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In no particular order:

• Judgement Silversword / Cardinal Sins (included with Eschatos) - even better than Eschatos IMO.

• Triggerheart Exelica

• Under Defeat HD

• Score Rush (Xbox Indie)

• Raiden IV

• Shooting Love 20XX (Trizeal is good fun)

• Ge-Sen Love Plus Pengo (both the shmups and Pengo are great fun for multiplayer)

• Strania
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Raiden Fighters Aces is well worth a look for the 360. :D
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Does Gen-san Love plus Pengo have a Bandai Namco copyright on it? I know My Hero/Seishun Scandal on the Astro City mini does. Both games were designed by Coreland, which later became Banpresto.


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Tarma wrote:
Raiden Fighters Aces is well worth a look for the 360. :D


ME: "but little else besides Raiden Fighters Aces"

Yep! It's an amazing classic collection
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:00 am 


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One of my biggest recommendations on 360 would be Omega Five. Very underrated sidescroller by Tengo Project/Natsume. Same team from Wild Guns, Ninja Warriors etc. Also a very unerappreciated OST that let you play with regular or retro remixes:

https://youtu.be/1TcssUCew08

Unfortunately it was delisted when Konami bought the publisher Hudson so playing it today might take a bit of doing.


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BrianC wrote:
Does Gen-san Love plus Pengo have a Bandai Namco copyright on it? I know My Hero/Seishun Scandal on the Astro City mini does. Both games were designed by Coreland, which later became Banpresto.


Just dug out my copy and there's none on the box at least, Pengo is copyright of Sega/Triangle Service.


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Eschatos/JSS, Raiden Fighters Aces, Raiden IV.


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I have Caladrius (digital), Shooting Love (digital) and Under Defeat HD (physical). All splendid.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:18 pm 


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Can someone break down the differences between all these Shooting Love collections?

https://www.nin-nin-game.com/en/search?controller=search&orderby=date_add&orderway=desc&search_query=shooting+love&submit_search=Search
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 Post subject: Re: Best non-Cave shmups on Xbox 360?
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Jonpachi wrote:

Shooting Love 200X has:
Shmups Skill Test
Exzeal
Trizeal Remix
Minus Zero

Shooting Love 10-Shuunen has:
XIIZeal
DeltaZeal

Gessen Love Plus Pengo has:
Pengo!
CombatZeal
Shooting Skills Test
Action Skills Test

Also, as far as other games, Radiant Silvergun, Trouble Witches Neo, Space Invaders Extreme & Infinity Gene, Shikigami 3, Otomedius G, Radirgy Massive and Mamoru-kun are quite fun IMO. KOF Sky Stage is OK. Prismatic Solid, qrth-phyl, Platypus and Leave Home are all decent indie shooters.

I think all the other stuff was already mentioned
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Eschatos is god tier. Under Defeat is excellent. Ginga Force is very good.
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 Post subject: Re: Best non-Cave shmups on Xbox 360?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:00 pm 


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MachineAres 1CC wrote:
Jonpachi wrote:

Shooting Love 200X has:
Shmups Skill Test
Exzeal
Trizeal
Minus Zero

Shooting Love 10-Shuunen has:
XIIZeal
DeltaZeal

Gessen Love Plus Pengo has:
Pengo!
CombatZeal
Shooting Skills Test
Action Skills Test

Also, as far as other games, Radiant Silvergun, Trouble Witches Neo, Space Invaders Extreme & Infinity Gene, Shikigami 3, Otomedius G, Radirgy Massive and Mamoru-kun are quite fun IMO. KOF Sky Stage is OK. Prismatic Solid, qrth-phyl, Platypus and Leave Home are all decent indie shooters.

I think all the other stuff was already mentioned


Thanks! There seems to be an alternate version of Shooting Love that has extra games on it too. This one has Trizeal Remix and others: https://www.play-asia.com/shooting-love-collection/13/707ad1
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Jonpachi wrote:
Thanks! There seems to be an alternate version of Shooting Love that has extra games on it too. This one has Trizeal Remix and others: https://www.play-asia.com/shooting-love-collection/13/707ad1

Nah, that's just the normal version of Shooting Love 200X, Trizeal Remix is on there. I should've clarified it more.
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Oh nice! Thanks!
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 Post subject: Re: Best non-Cave shmups on Xbox 360?
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Starfighter wrote:
Under Defeat HD is probably the non-Cave 360 shmup I've had the most fun with.

This reminds me (though it was a long time ago, and my memory may be off): there were complaints that the US PS3 version of Under Defeat HD never got patched the way the JP version did. What exactly did the patch fix?

Is the US Games on Demand version patched like the original JP game? If not, maybe I'll try to figure out how to buy the JP digital version on my J360.


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It's been some time since I booted it up, but I do recall the JP 360 version also getting an extra mode via update which was essentially the Nesica version of Under Defeat HD that the US versions never got. It's kind of an interesting thing where it stops stage scrolling on occasions to destroy waves of enemies, but never figured out much about it beyond that.


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My favorite non-Cave game has to be Bullet Soul Infinite Burst. It's an absolute blast to play. You can also get it cheap on the xbox store digitally.

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drunkninja24 wrote:
It's been some time since I booted it up, but I do recall the JP 360 version also getting an extra mode via update which was essentially the Nesica version of Under Defeat HD that the US versions never got. It's kind of an interesting thing where it stops stage scrolling on occasions to destroy waves of enemies, but never figured out much about it beyond that.

Bummer to hear that. So as far as you know, the US 360 Games on Demand version is identical to the US PS3 version?

Now comes the hassle of trying to buy the JP Games on Demand.


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