Panzer Dragoon and Panzer Dragoon Zwei remakes announced

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I'm probably just fucking blind but I seriously do not see a thread for this anywhere.

https://twitter.com/shmups/status/1072149708414439424
https://gematsu.com/2018/12/forever-ent ... wei-remake
Panzer Dragoon: Remake is a refreshed version of Panzer Dragoon. The original version of the game had its premiere on the Sega Saturn console in 1995 and was well received by both players and critics. The entire Panzer Dragoon series has been repeatedly remade and released on many platforms. The last re-launch took place in April 2018 on Xbox One, where players can play Panzer Dragoon Orta with a backward compatibility.

The new version of the game will be characterized by completely new graphics compatible with today’s standards and several modifications of the game, making it more attractive to modern players, while remaining faithful to the original in terms of story. The first materials from the game will be presented in the upcoming months!
Developer is Forever Entertainment, remake of first due out in 2019. Move to off-topic if rail-shooters are NOT shmups (they are tho)
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I guess you and I are the only excited ones. I can go back and still play all of them. To me they are timeless and I am looking forward to more info on these remakes. BTW, are they full remakes or remasters?
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People will be more excited when we see some pics. You know how wrong these things can go.

But I'm hoping for the best.
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^ Yeah. Logically I know this will probably go terribly wrong, but I'm just so excited for Panzer Dragoon anything that idgaf rn.
Gamer707b wrote:I guess you and I are the only excited ones. I can go back and still play all of them. To me they are timeless and I am looking forward to more info on these remakes. BTW, are they full remakes or remasters?
I haven't seen anything that explicitly specifies it's a true remake and not a remaster. However, it's worth pointing out that when Shenmue 1+2 HD were announced, they were zero mention of either word in the press releases. My guess based on that is they're changing up more than they did with the Shenmue release, at least. Hard to believe they'd do a full remake, but who knows.
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Cautiously optimistic. I'm all for gameplay tweaks, if they give the option to play the game like its original release, plus adding in additional features, modes, QOL stuff for newcomers to more easily get into the series. As long as they leave the music intact, I will be mostly happy. If I don't hear "Flight" playing during that first stage of Panzer Dragoon, I will be sorely disappointed.
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I wouldn't mind an HD port of Orta. That can't be too hard to do, compared to this. These will need to be built from the ground up, due to the Saturn graphics.

In terms of gameplay tweaks, I hope they speed up the L R camera turns, in the first one, to match the other games.
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evil_ash_xero wrote:I wouldn't mind an HD port of Orta. That can't be too hard to do, compared to this. These will need to be built from the ground up, due to the Saturn graphics.

In terms of gameplay tweaks, I hope they speed up the L R camera turns, in the first one, to match the other games.
Yeah, I was thinking (hoping?) that the reason they didn't announce an Orta remake as well is because there's no need, they can just port it as it.
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I'm absolutely excited, with the obvious caveat of seeing how they turn out first.

I hope they can retain PD1's "feel" while upgrading the graphics. Anyone else put off by how smooth Orta was the first time they played it? The slow framerate of PD1 in particular sort of ingrained itself into the game's identity, at least for me.
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Haha, speaking of which, BC version of Orta is on sale just now for $5. PSA for anybody who wants to grab it - I'm doing it right now.

From what I've seen, it looks unbelievable running upscaled to 1080p.
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bigbadboaz wrote:Haha, speaking of which, BC version of Orta is on sale just now for $5. PSA for anybody who wants to grab it - I'm doing it right now.

From what I've seen, it looks unbelievable running upscaled to 1080p.
Man, too bad I don't have an Xbox anymore. I still got my physical copy of Orta lying around somewhere though.
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Zwei they really hit their stride. It was dope from start to finish.
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FRO wrote:Cautiously optimistic. I'm all for gameplay tweaks, if they give the option to play the game like its original release, plus adding in additional features, modes, QOL stuff for newcomers to more easily get into the series. As long as they leave the music intact, I will be mostly happy. If I don't hear "Flight" playing during that first stage of Panzer Dragoon, I will be sorely disappointed.
same but i'm hopeful this could prove a truly sick grab if they get it right.
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evil_ash_xero wrote:I wouldn't mind an HD port of Orta. That can't be too hard to do, compared to this. These will need to be built from the ground up, due to the Saturn graphics.

In terms of gameplay tweaks, I hope they speed up the L R camera turns, in the first one, to match the other games.
There's a PC version of the original that runs at higher resolution and has cleaner textures than the Saturn version, which I believe is what they based the original Xbox unlockable version upon. That could be used as a base, but you're probably right, in that they'd be better off redoing the graphics from the ground up so they're modernized.
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How was that unlockable version on the Xbox, anyway? Looking forward to that one.
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PS2 has versions of these games.
This industry has become 2 dimensional as it transcended into a 3D world.
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I would love to see these two games introduced to a new audience. Zwei, as GP notes, is magical. It is an epic from start to finish and one of my favorite 3d rail shooters. PD1 is also well in need of a visual overhaul, given how loose and janky some of the 3D is in that game.

I don't think there's much out there from these devs which leaves me cautious. Forget any notion of "the originals will be playable" - outside of PD1 since that had a PC port (if only Zwei had gotten one too!). These are most def gunna be this team's 'take' on them, for good or ill. There's still a ways to go before we see any proof of development, but if it can build that tiny, tiny Panzer Dragoon fanbase, then it can't be -that- bad (unless they are terrible, lol).
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neorichieb1971 wrote:PS2 has versions of these games.
I got them myself and tweeted a pic, sickest grabs of the year for me.
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poptart wrote:
neorichieb1971 wrote:PS2 has versions of these games.
I got them myself and tweeted a pic, sickest grabs of the year for me.
Which games are you guys talking about?
Only Panzer Dragoon was on PS2.
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Koa Zo wrote:

Which games are you guys talking about?
Only Panzer Dragoon was on PS2.
That's my understanding as well, Only Dragoon was released on the PS2 (Sega Ages 2500 Series)
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bigbadboaz wrote:How was that unlockable version on the Xbox, anyway? Looking forward to that one.
It's all right. Like it was said, it's basically a port of the Windows 95 version. Higher resolution, smoother textures, which for some may or may not be a good thing. Framerate in the Windows 95 release wasn't really any better than the original Saturn version, maybe worse in some cases (something about it just feels "off" to me), so playing it on a Xbox in that state (sub-30fps) feels weird. This is especially true when coming straight from Orta on the same console which appears to pretty much be 60fps the entire time. The change is jarring. Still, credit goes to the devs for even bothering to include it as a bonus. If you want to play the original in its best form these days on a system post-Saturn, the PS2 Sega Ages version is probably the way to go.
bigbadboaz wrote:Haha, speaking of which, BC version of Orta is on sale just now for $5. PSA for anybody who wants to grab it - I'm doing it right now.

From what I've seen, it looks unbelievable running upscaled to 1080p.
I only have a 1080p display, but Panzer Dragoon Orta really looks beautiful on it via the Xbox One. The resolution on these Xbox backwards compatible titles goes even higher (not quite 4K, but closer) if played on a Xbox One X.
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Austin wrote:Framerate in the Windows 95 release wasn't really any better than the original Saturn version, maybe worse in some cases (something about it just feels "off" to me), so playing it on a Xbox in that state (sub-30fps) feels weird.
That's too bad. I was figuring this old port ran faster than that. Whatever - I already said above that I suspected slow framerate was integral to the feel of PD1, so maybe hi-res + slow framerate will be a good combo.
Austin wrote:I only have a 1080p display, but Panzer Dragoon Orta really looks beautiful on it via the Xbox One. The resolution on these Xbox backwards compatible titles goes even higher (not quite 4K, but closer) if played on a Xbox One X.
Same here. From what I've seen secondhand, these games just look weird on a 1X. Like, the old graphics scale up to 1080p well, but there is a sharp point of diminishing returns where super resolution does not juxtapose well AT ALL with low detail.

I've long said 4K was the wrong "improvement" to push for and here's something else to point to. :o
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bigbadboaz wrote:Same here. From what I've seen secondhand, these games just look weird on a 1X. Like, the old graphics scale up to 1080p well, but there is a sharp point of diminishing returns where super resolution does not juxtapose well AT ALL with low detail.

I've long said 4K was the wrong "improvement" to push for and here's something else to point to. :o
I don't see what the issue is, though? It's an option for people with higher res displays. I can only speak for 1080p of course, but the OG Xbox games look fantastic via backwards compatibility. There are other quality of life improvements in place too. For instance, games that ran at sub-par framerates or ones that featured frame skipping (Morrowind and Hunter the Reckoning being two examples), now run at a silky smooth 60fps. That combined with the boost in visual quality has made these games age quite nicely.
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Waste of resources. Plasma died and OLED largely stagnated, while we've been stuck with LCD technology as manufacturers chased a resolution bump well past the point of diminishing returns, and hellishly demanding on rendering hardware for these relatively lackluster results.

I realize there is a motive of needing something to sell, but that's no salve to the educated consumer wanting R&D dollars to go towards a real, eye-opening improvement. I haven't truly lusted after a new television set since I got my first plasma in 2007. That's a truly sad indictment of the electronics industry and its chosen direction.

Anyway, this is now OT as hell. :wink:
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GaijinPunch wrote:One Day I will play Azel again... one day.
I wish my saturn emulators didn't fuck up on me during the migration from laptop to computer (2 years ago!). I had gotten SSF to work playing PDAzel, but now sound doesn't work when I load an ISO, or something else doesn't work, or graphics glitch out... It was a blow to lose DaemonTools to malware/scamware -none of the other disc mounters were as good...
BizHawk emulates Saturn good now (with a Mednafen-based core since Mednafen got good), and just plays the disc images directly, no need to mount them or anything. I'd say it's surpassed SSF in quality for Saturn emulation these days. (and fwiw I was using Alcohol52% with SSF, but I do remember that getting dumb at some point)

If these come to Switch I might pick them up and hope for remakes of Saga and Orta to follow, I've been hoping for a Panzer Dragoon HD Collection with those four games for years but I suppose this is the next best thing.
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I could use some more Panzer Dragoon in my life, I was happy with the sega ages version but sad they didn't bring zwei out to play. Give us a box set of the rail shooter trilogy, and I'd be down. Otherwise I'll just fire up the saturn.
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DialKnight wrote:I could use some more Panzer Dragoon in my life, I was happy with the sega ages version but sad they didn't bring zwei out to play. Give us a box set of the rail shooter trilogy, and I'd be down. Otherwise I'll just fire up the saturn.
I figure once they finish the "remake" of Zwei they'll just do a straight HD port of Orta and bundle all three together. I'm basing this on literally nothing, of course.
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DietSoap wrote:
bigbadboaz wrote:Haha, speaking of which, BC version of Orta is on sale just now for $5. PSA for anybody who wants to grab it - I'm doing it right now.

From what I've seen, it looks unbelievable running upscaled to 1080p.
Man, too bad I don't have an Xbox anymore. I still got my physical copy of Orta lying around somewhere though.
This is the main reason Ive kept my original Xbox. Orta was an amazing experience for me when it came out. Man, I haven't touched it in years. I might have to change that.
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poptart wrote:
FRO wrote:Cautiously optimistic. I'm all for gameplay tweaks, if they give the option to play the game like its original release, plus adding in additional features, modes, QOL stuff for newcomers to more easily get into the series. As long as they leave the music intact, I will be mostly happy. If I don't hear "Flight" playing during that first stage of Panzer Dragoon, I will be sorely disappointed.
same but i'm hopeful this could prove a truly sick grab if they get it right.

I really hope so cause Sega and d3t did a horrible job on the Shenmue re-releases. Im crossing my fingers....
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Gamer707b wrote:This is the main reason Ive kept my original Xbox. Orta was an amazing experience for me when it came out. Man, I haven't touched it in years. I might have to change that.
Orta is on the backwards compatibility list for Xbox One as of April, in case you didn't know.
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FRO wrote:
Gamer707b wrote:This is the main reason Ive kept my original Xbox. Orta was an amazing experience for me when it came out. Man, I haven't touched it in years. I might have to change that.
Orta is on the backwards compatibility list for Xbox One as of April, in case you didn't know.

Ive never really gravitated toward Xbox consoles except the first one they did. Was a huge Sega and wanted the original Xbox for that reason . don't have the Xbone , but I guess I can pull out my OG Xbox and play Orta. Thanks for letting me know anyway.
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