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 Post subject: Re: Devil Engine (PS4,Switch, PC) 2018- Hyakutarou music
PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:34 pm 



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I don’t want to have to wait for Christmas for Ignition, now...
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 Post subject: Re: Devil Engine (PS4,Switch, PC) 2018- Hyakutarou music
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 Post subject: Re: Devil Engine (PS4,Switch, PC) 2018- Hyakutarou music
PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:22 pm 



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https://nichegamer.com/2019/12/06/repor ... e-another/

Check this article out...
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 Post subject: Re: Devil Engine (PS4,Switch, PC) 2018- Hyakutarou music
PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:56 pm 



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https://nichegamer.com/2019/12/06/report-anonymous-employee-and-dangen-entertainment-hurl-litany-of-allegations-against-one-another/

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 Post subject: Re: Devil Engine (PS4,Switch, PC) 2018- Hyakutarou music
PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:53 am 



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 Post subject: Re: Devil Engine (PS4,Switch, PC) 2018- Hyakutarou music
PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:31 am 



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I dont know what to believe, but I do know in my current version of devil engine, the ignition demo is in it all ready. Sinoc said it would be out in winter. This leads me to believe that substantial portions of ignition were likely done by summer. I would imagine the delay is not due to development. I also would guess that if sinoc was recieving royalties, he would be hesitant to suggest anyone torrent the game. He could have released the game as doujin at Comicon if he were not concerned about sales... This leads me to believe the delay likely has something to do with dangan.

I will be highly pissed if I paid for this game and none of the money went to devs. I bought the ost on bandcamp, instead of pirating it because I wanted to support questa. If for any reason devs arent getting paid, I have a serious problem with that. Im sure it happens all the time, and that doesnt change that its morally wrong everytime as well. Im just angrily typing so I will stop, but this sucks...


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 Post subject: Re: Devil Engine (PS4,Switch, PC) 2018- Hyakutarou music
PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:57 pm 


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xxx1993 wrote:
https://nichegamer.com/2019/12/06/report-anonymous-employee-and-dangen-entertainment-hurl-litany-of-allegations-against-one-another/

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I saw actually the original anonymous allegation, before it was pulled, before I read the rebuttal, and we discussed it with colleagues.

Basically any allegation that is anonymous, and then pulled off from the web, is hardly something you should be taking seriously. What should be taken seriously, is how easily mud can be slinged anonymously in the web.

Also, in the original, and now removed post, the allegations had nothing to do with harassment: it seemed to be more like some disgruntled employee not happy with her employer throwing in some "he was 12 years older than me and dared to throw a flirt"-type allegation, that could easily be interpreted as sexual harassment in these triggered metoo-times.

In any case, while accusing of her employer of unprofessional behaviour (granted, I agree that flirting with employees or with girls who want job from you may appear as bit iffy for some people), she was unprofessional herself by taking all that dirty laundry in the public. And doing it anonymously made it worse. The wrongdoings of the employer were not serious enough for public lynching and all that she would do to herself was simply shooting herself in the foot, and ensuring that no sane person would want to hire her. I wouldn't hire her.


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 Post subject: Re: Devil Engine (PS4,Switch, PC) 2018- Hyakutarou music
PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:21 pm 


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Basically any allegation that is anonymous, and then pulled off from the web, is hardly something you should be taking seriously. What should be taken seriously, is how easily mud can be slinged anonymously in the web.

1. Despite being "anonymous", it doesn't take too much detective work to figure out who made the allegations. At least for any involved party.
2. No one "pulled" the allegations. They were forcibly removed thanks to Dangen. It is the intentions of the people who write the allegations for them to stay up, so they made a second post to back up everything. Here you go: https://medium.com/@dangenwarning/dange ... 1e04ab78ea

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she was unprofessional herself by taking all that dirty laundry in the public. And doing it anonymously made it worse.

The only mistake here was not going public with this shit earlier. Ben Judd has obviously pulled a lot of BS, and as long as it's kept under wraps he'd be able to go on with it.


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 Post subject: Re: Devil Engine (PS4,Switch, PC) 2018- Hyakutarou music
PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:14 pm 


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MJR wrote:
Basically any allegation that is anonymous, and then pulled off from the web, is hardly something you should be taking seriously. What should be taken seriously, is how easily mud can be slinged anonymously in the web.

1. Despite being "anonymous", it doesn't take too much detective work to figure out who made the allegations. At least for any involved party.
2. No one "pulled" the allegations. They were forcibly removed thanks to Dangen. It is the intentions of the people who write the allegations for them to stay up, so they made a second post to back up everything. Here you go: https://medium.com/@dangenwarning/dange ... 1e04ab78ea

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she was unprofessional herself by taking all that dirty laundry in the public. And doing it anonymously made it worse.

The only mistake here was not going public with this shit earlier. Ben Judd has obviously pulled a lot of BS, and as long as it's kept under wraps he'd be able to go on with it.


Thank you for clarifying with point 2. As for the last point you made, I am not sure I agree, although I must give certain benefit of doubt due to the fact that I don't know these parties personally. Are you personally involved with them in any way?


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 Post subject: Re: Devil Engine (PS4,Switch, PC) 2018- Hyakutarou music
PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:37 pm 


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Not at all, but I've heard a lot of crap over the past year or so. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Devil Engine (PS4,Switch, PC) 2018- Hyakutarou music
PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:45 pm 


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Ok.

Generally speaking, it may be a good idea to take any internet rumblings and hearsay gossips with a certain grain of salt, and usually attacking employer publicly and anonymously is not considered helpful in any case. But I am convinced that there has to be some serious problems. No smoke without fire, and all that yadda yadda. Very well, maybe better if I don't make any further comments. I hope things sort out and it doesn't get worse.


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 Post subject: Re: Devil Engine (PS4,Switch, PC) 2018- Hyakutarou music
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:33 am 


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Sumez wrote:
MJR wrote:

2. No one "pulled" the allegations. They were forcibly removed thanks to Dangen. It is the intentions of the people who write the allegations for them to stay up, so they made a second post to back up everything. Here you go: https://medium.com/@dangenwarning/dange ... 1e04ab78ea

This one was pulled too, but it can be read at https://archive.md/JiK3g .
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 Post subject: Re: Devil Engine (PS4,Switch, PC) 2018- Hyakutarou music
PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:40 am 


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Ben Judd steps down from Dangen: http://dangenentertainment.com/ben-judd-s-statement
Dangen restructures: http://dangenentertainment.com/dangen-c ... tructuring



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 Post subject: Re: Devil Engine (PS4,Switch, PC) 2018- Hyakutarou music
PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:40 pm 


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More like Drama Engine, amirite? : badum-tssh :


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 Post subject: Re: Devil Engine (PS4,Switch, PC) 2018- Hyakutarou music
PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:51 pm 


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usgamer spoke to other sources who offered corroboration too:

https://www.usgamer.net/articles/report ... -indie-dev

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Not much of a statement. Hope they at least give up the rights and let Sinoc & Protoculture do what they want with DE from now on.


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 Post subject: Re: Devil Engine (PS4,Switch, PC) 2018- Hyakutarou music
PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:04 pm 



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Tangential Related

Details of Ben Judd's misconduct.

https://twitter.com/OnTakahashi/status/ ... 63392?s=19


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 Post subject: Re: Devil Engine (PS4,Switch, PC) 2018- Hyakutarou music
PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:58 am 


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Ben Judd steps down from Dangen​

I guess that's...... better than nothing?

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