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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:38 am 


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Most of a game's price doesn't come from the medium it's stored on.
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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:49 am 


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I'm wondering if Switch's Ninja Warriors Again (tentative title) will be the SFC reboot, or a sequel.


The screenshot suggests a remake of the SFC reboot.


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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
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Most of a game's price doesn't come from the medium it's stored on.

Except on Switch. It's no secret that Switch games cost more (affectionately dubbed "Switch tax" by most sites) because the cartridges are a lot more expensive than discs to manufacture. Or at least for developers/publishers/whoever does that in the chain to purchase from Nintendo, who knows what the actual production costs for Nintendo are, but I'm sure they still cost a heap more than a blu-ray disc.


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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:40 am 


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He's talking about the difference between development costs and manufacturing costs. Even with 'Switch tax', the cost of developing the game itself is a much bigger factor in the price over how much it costs to manufacture each unit.

With that said, the pricing on both versions of this seems a bit excessive.


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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:47 am 


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He's talking about the difference between development costs and manufacturing costs. Even with 'Switch tax', the cost of developing the game itself is a much bigger factor in the price over how much it costs to manufacture each unit.

Additionally, the pricing varies depending on the storage size of the cartridge. I'd be surprised if the extra games were to take up more than a 1GB cart, which should be significantly cheaper than the current maximum (32GB).
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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
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I don't get why G.Darius isn't in this, unless it could have something to do with that being Taito FX-1 (PlayStation) hardware.
Locking some games behind the LE price wall is really lame, but at least the RE has all the arcade titles up to Gaiden. It'd be nice to see this on the Xbox One & PS4 also.


Yep, both G-Darius & G-Darius Version 2 run on the venerable Taito FX-1B arcade motherboard platform. It was quite sometthing to play G-Darius Ver. 2 on a Sega Megalo candy cab with it's mighty impressive 32" rear projection CRT monitor presentation at a past California Extreme show.

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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:39 am 


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PC Engine Fan X! wrote:
gameoverDude wrote:
I don't get why G.Darius isn't in this, unless it could have something to do with that being Taito FX-1 (PlayStation) hardware.
Locking some games behind the LE price wall is really lame, but at least the RE has all the arcade titles up to Gaiden. It'd be nice to see this on the Xbox One & PS4 also.


Yep, both G-Darius & G-Darius Version 2 run on the venerable Taito FX-1B arcade motherboard platform. It was quite sometthing to play G-Darius Ver. 2 on a Sega Megalo candy cab with it's mighty impressive 32" rear projection CRT monitor presentation at a past California Extreme show.

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I looked on Sega Retro at some of the Megalo cabinets. They're some cool looking ones. Was it one of the sit-down ones or the 410?

Taito should think about a re-mastered G.Darius for PS4, with both versions 1 & 2. Raystorm on the 360 & PS3 is not too bad.
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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:41 pm 


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http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/0 ... c_in_japan

So it would seem that the collection will also include the game boy version of Sagaia, but only as a preorder bonus from Amazon Japan.

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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:02 pm 


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All that exclusivity bullshit goddamit.
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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
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All that exclusivity bullshit goddamit.

It’s not a clever move.. They should release 2 or 3 separate DARIUS compilations if the problem is cart price related. Locking some games only to LE units when there’s a potential market ready to buy all the games is stupid.. if people can’t get the LE package, maybe publisher is involuntary encouraging consumers going the homebrew route for those who only can get the standard
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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
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Retailer exclusive DLC is never a good thing. When the DLC is a whole game, it is even worse. GB Sagaia looks & sounds OK, but I wouldn't switch a preorder to Amazon Japan over it.
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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
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The Amazon Sagaia DLC is a only a timed-exclusive, just like the first two Senko no Ronde 2 DLC characters.

A please stop talking about this being related to card capacity. All of the exclusives, including Sagaia, are measured in KB/MB and are smaller than your average thumbnail image.


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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
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Rupert H wrote:
The Amazon Sagaia DLC is a only a timed-exclusive, just like the first two Senko no Ronde 2 DLC characters.



Better be. Example of bad story: Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen had digital artbook as preorder bonus, and they (Capcom) never turned it into regular DLC after release.
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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
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Just heard about this. Interesting lineup... they're clearly gunning for a second collection. It'd likely have G Darius, Dariusburst, the Super Dariuses, probably one or both versions of Syvalion, etc. The Sagaia preorder thing is annoying, but oh well. Pretty sure M2 had to spend years trying to convince Taito to do this at all, so... Darius is a prestigious name. They would never let it go for anything less than it's worth. The LE price is a bit much, but I think I'd be willing to pay it.

Pricing almost never varies based on medium. That hasn't been a thing since the SNES days. The only time this occurs anymore is with specific strains of budget GBA/DS/3DS titles that happen to use smaller carts in eras where most companies are using larger ones, and that's because the games themselves are also budget.

Darius Extra and Gaiden Extra should be on this, M2 is good about things like that. That's why Sagaia (Darius II) is also on this.

If a second collection happens, I'm hoping Dariusburst SP ends up on it. That'd be sweet. I sincerely doubt a second collection would get CS. That would be its own release, definitely. Maybe they're gunning for a GOTY edition for the Switch... that'd be a damned megaton right there.
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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
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I don't think they're gunning for a second collection, I think G-Darius was just more work than could be justified, and all the LE milking is just Japan being Japan.

I don't know how much convincing it took on the part of M2, either--one of the new development heads at Taito and the guy they're working with on this collection is Yuichi Toyama, an old Compile/Raizing guy who was still at 8ing until very recently.


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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
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G Darius wouldn't require any more effort than anything else in here, and there's a lot of key stuff missing. Either they're doing a second collection, we're getting DLC, or this does too poorly for them to follow up with either.
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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
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Does anyone know how Amazon.jp works with Prime? I ordered this collection on a Prime free trial. Of course that will expire before this ever ships.. so will that be a problem?
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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:17 pm 


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Trailer for this is out.

https://youtu.be/TxmYOAQwdQI


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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
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all that autofire footage :shock:
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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
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So it's got all the autofire settings you could wish for and a savestate feature to properly practice all the titles.

And looking back at this topic, we now also know why G.Darius isn't on this collection. :wink:
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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
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They need to take some cues from the Capcom and SNK collections...
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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
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Beep's announced their limited edition for those who collect cardboard:
https://www.beep-shop.com/blog/12075/


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djsheep wrote:
Beep's announced their limited edition for those who collect cardboard:
https://www.beep-shop.com/blog/12075/


I like cardboard , but still doesn't justify the price difference for me.


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 Post subject: Re: Darius Cozmic Collection for Switch
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djsheep wrote:
Beep's announced their limited edition for those who collect cardboard:
https://www.beep-shop.com/blog/12075/


preordered.


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