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 Post subject: Re: Switch shmup games list
PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:14 am 


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Saint Dragon is out

I never played this one before, it's pretty cool actually. The tail wrap blocking reminds me of Dragon Breed.

Also seems weird that Switch is just getting Salamader and Kiki KaiKai now. Wonder if it's due to those two having ports on Nintendo consoles? I picked them up years ago on ps4.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:44 pm 


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I have loved Saint Dragon unconditionally since it came out, own the PCB too, so of course I bought it right away.

That feeling when I got into third slot on the rankings, straight away (my nick is CAI) :D

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:17 am 


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Awesome! Always great to see those early high scores.
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 Post subject: Re: Switch shmup games list
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 Post subject: Re: Switch shmup games list
PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:45 pm 


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Is it bad that I'm playing Zero Gunner 2 for the first time and I like it? Is that allowed? I got it in the Psikyo collection and it's pretty dumb fun for me especially considering I've never played the original.

I find it very difficult to switch positions, does anyone just leave it mostly in the same position?


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 Post subject: Re: Switch shmup games list
PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:43 pm 


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I fucking love ZG2. Wonton destruction and crazy transforming bosses. What's there not to love?


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 Post subject: Re: Switch shmup games list
PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:53 pm 


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Yeah, ZG2 has always been a well-liked game around here. Neat take on 360' shooting, and possibly more accessible than other Psikyo titles with its less brutal boss patterns (at least in Loop 1).

Cannon Spike AKA Gunspike is worth a look if you like ZG2. Ground-based Robotron/Smash TV-esque, similar but different 360' action. :smile:
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 Post subject: Re: Switch shmup games list
PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:48 pm 


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I think all the complaints about the Switch Zero Gunner 2 version are not about the intrinsic qualities of the original game, but rather the heavy inaccuracies of said port. (It's officialy named "Zero Gunner 2 minus" for a reason :lol: )
So there's nothing wrong for liking it if you've never played the game on PCB or DC.
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 Post subject: Re: Switch shmup games list
PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:04 pm 


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Yeah, ZG2 has always been a well-liked game around here. Neat take on 360' shooting, and possibly more accessible than other Psikyo titles with its less brutal boss patterns (at least in Loop 1).

Cannon Spike AKA Gunspike is worth a look if you like ZG2. Ground-based Robotron/Smash TV-esque, similar but different 360' action. :smile:

Much like Sol Divide, I can appreciate Psikyo patterns in non-shmups, even if the execution isn't up to their best work (if nothing else, Psikyo patterns in SD and Cannon Spike make me go "awwww" :wink: ). It's been long since I tried to play Cannon Spike seriously, but I always don't mind popping it in for some heavy Capcom fanservice. Only thing it's missing is an RE character (c'mon, they have a biohazard level!!).
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 Post subject: Re: Switch shmup games list
PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:50 pm 


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How hard is Shikhondo, and how fun is it? Is there grazing/buzzing? It's on sale for a good price and I'm tempted to buy it.


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 Post subject: Re: Switch shmup games list
PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:00 pm 


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How hard is Shikhondo, and how fun is it? Is there grazing/buzzing? It's on sale for a good price and I'm tempted to buy it.


It's just ok. If it's super cheap go for it and you might get some fun out of it. I was personally frustrated as it looks like it should support Tate, but it's another game like Raiden V that has that "TV Tate" with letterboxing on the sides. As such I found it pretty unplayable in handheld mode on the Switch, though your milage may vary depending on what TV you play it on. The artwork itself is not bad, and there are some creepy boss designs, but it all looks fairly amateur in motion.
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 Post subject: Re: Switch shmup games list
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Pop'n Twinbee was released for NSO today. I haven't played this for some time. Should be good for some fun / nostalgia


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 Post subject: Re: Switch shmup games list
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In trying to find more about why AGES Fantasy Zone doesn't allow remapping the X button, I wrote Sega Support after M2 Support hasn't responded. While I got a response, it was nothing more than "the AGES ports were not developed for arcade sticks" and that the fact I was able to use the stick for the other games (Thunder Force, Gain Ground, Shinobi etc., all free of this issue) was "chance". Fantasy Zone was one of the biggest reasons I chose to buy a stick for the Switch, and this whole thing has left a bad taste, I expected a lot better from M2.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:15 pm 


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In trying to find more about why AGES Fantasy Zone doesn't allow remapping the X button, I wrote Sega Support after M2 Support hasn't responded. While I got a response, it was nothing more than "the AGES ports were not developed for arcade sticks" and that the fact I was able to use the stick for the other games (Thunder Force, Gain Ground, Shinobi etc., all free of this issue) was "chance". Fantasy Zone was one of the biggest reasons I chose to buy a stick for the Switch, and this whole thing has left a bad taste, I expected a lot better from M2.


Sounds like a typical customer service response from someone who knows nothing about the game. At least it plays with joystick and the B and A buttons work great for the game. I wouldn't blame M2 for this. Dumb responses like these are par for the course with customer service reps, especially in the US. It's not like arcade sticks are the only reason for button remapping either.


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 Post subject: Re: Switch shmup games list
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It seems like I ended up fussing for nothing. I just opened the stick up and swapped the wires for X and A. Works perfectly now, and the only thing left to do is just remap the buttons for my other Switch games accordingly. Still a little odd, I know the start button has a gameplay function in Upa-Upa mode, but you think it would only be locked in that mode then. Oh well, everything worked out, and it's an excellent port. I haven't played Fantasy Zone in a while and forgot how much fun it was.


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 Post subject: Re: Switch shmup games list
PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:03 pm 


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Arcade Archives Life Force/Salamander got released yesterday on EShop. It contains the JP Salamander, US Life Force and JP Life Force arcade roms.

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 Post subject: Re: Switch shmup games list
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M.Knight wrote:
I think all the complaints about the Switch Zero Gunner 2 version are not about the intrinsic qualities of the original game, but rather the heavy inaccuracies of said port. (It's officialy named "Zero Gunner 2 minus" for a reason :lol: )
So there's nothing wrong for liking it if you've never played the game on PCB or DC.


Are the psikyo ports really that bad on switch???
I was hoping them to be good for a purchase :oops:


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 Post subject: Re: Switch shmup games list
PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:52 am 


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Phellan Wolf wrote:
M.Knight wrote:
I think all the complaints about the Switch Zero Gunner 2 version are not about the intrinsic qualities of the original game, but rather the heavy inaccuracies of said port. (It's officialy named "Zero Gunner 2 minus" for a reason :lol: )
So there's nothing wrong for liking it if you've never played the game on PCB or DC.


Are the psikyo ports really that bad on switch???
I was hoping them to be good for a purchase :oops:


The rest are more accurate to the originals, but suffer (like g did) from terrible input lag.


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 Post subject: Re: Switch shmup games list
PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:56 am 


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Phellan Wolf wrote:
M.Knight wrote:
I think all the complaints about the Switch Zero Gunner 2 version are not about the intrinsic qualities of the original game, but rather the heavy inaccuracies of said port. (It's officialy named "Zero Gunner 2 minus" for a reason :lol: )
So there's nothing wrong for liking it if you've never played the game on PCB or DC.


Are the psikyo ports really that bad on switch???
I was hoping them to be good for a purchase :oops:


The other games aren't really ports... just ROMs dropped in an rather piecemeal emulator. With an added frame of lag due to how the Switch interprets inputs.

ZG2- is a special case since ZeroDiv chose not to simply emulate the NAOMI or DC versions but instead decided to attempt a complete recoding of the game. The second loop is still missing from this version.
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 Post subject: Re: Switch shmup games list
PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:32 am 


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I wish I could pick up Sengoku Cannon separately. I know it probably sucks, but I don't want to buy the whole pack for one game when I already have Gunbird and Sengoku Ace as downloads.

FWIW I managed to 1ALL Gunbird on the Switch. The release isn't robust but not terrible for someone looking for a quick portable fix. Some games feel better than others though; Gunbird feels pretty normal (not quite as responsive as mame) but for some reason I wasn't liking how Strikers felt.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:29 am 



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Damn it. Thank you guys. I really hope that at least a fix or patch is in the works and if it isn’t, lets pray for the scene the rework the os a bit so it can be a bit more accurate with a stick.
Shame on Zerodiv to not include Zero Gunner 2nd loop :(


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 Post subject: Re: Switch shmup games list
PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:49 am 



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Sorry guys to bump the thread once again, but rereading the list of games I have noticed that there is no Battle Garegga and Dangun Fever On that have seen a Ps4 release a d since switch got Esprade does someone knows if M2 plans to release them???? It will be a shame to let them outside of the system anyway.
Also Natsuki Chronicles and Ginga Force could be also easily ported to the system and now that they are going to be released on steam and Ps4 Qute should jump in.
Seeing as how the system is getting so much love of the genre I really wish they got ride off the input latency problems
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 Post subject: Re: Switch shmup games list
PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:06 pm 


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The Nintendo Switch can emulate Zero Gunner 2 and Cannon Spike perfectly fine, I have demonstrated it. It seems that 3rd party Naomi/DC games like Project Justice: Rival Schools 2 will never see a re-release in this day and age.

According to Mark_MSX's Shmup Input Lag Database, ZeroDiv's Psikyo games suffer from 6-8 frames of lag.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:54 pm 


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I grabbed the Bravo collection mainly because I miss Gunbird 2 (the DC version isn't VGA compatible) and while I'm going from memory, it seems like it plays exactly like the DC version.

I mean, if there is lag, it's not effecting my playing any. I'm about as good as I figured I would be for not playing in five years...


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 Post subject: Re: Switch shmup games list
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BrianC wrote:
Phellan Wolf wrote:
M.Knight wrote:
I think all the complaints about the Switch Zero Gunner 2 version are not about the intrinsic qualities of the original game, but rather the heavy inaccuracies of said port. (It's officialy named "Zero Gunner 2 minus" for a reason :lol: )
So there's nothing wrong for liking it if you've never played the game on PCB or DC.


Are the psikyo ports really that bad on switch???
I was hoping them to be good for a purchase :oops:


The rest are more accurate to the originals, but suffer (like g did) from terrible input lag.



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If you don't mind pre-emptive entries, a new side-scroller titled "B.ARK" was recently announced for Switch; the shmup/brick breaker hybrid Sky Racket is also being ported over.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:27 am 


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I noticed this game:
Red Death
In the new releases.

I can't speak for it's quality, but it's $4, and seems very influenced by ZeroRanger.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:34 am 


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I think zeroranger was still final boss at the time this came out.
It's cheaper on steam if that's an option - https://store.steampowered.com/app/591560/Red_Death/

It might be worth 79p, but it's not worth your time, to be honest.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:39 pm 


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Not experiencing any noticable inout lag on the Switch Psikyo games, either the standalone or on the Alpha/Bravo packages. But I'm seeing the games being absolutely savaged for it, to the point where they're basically being called worthless. Which is some coronavirus panic buying level of overreaction.

The only limitation I'm getting is the joycons themselves - neither the stick nor the d-buttons can reliably make quick diagonal changes, which when paired with my past-their-prime reactions is brick walling me.

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I wish I could pick up Sengoku Cannon separately. I know it probably sucks, but I don't want to buy the whole pack for one game when I already have Gunbird and Sengoku Ace as downloads.

FWIW I managed to 1ALL Gunbird on the Switch. The release isn't robust but not terrible for someone looking for a quick portable fix. Some games feel better than others though; Gunbird feels pretty normal (not quite as responsive as mame) but for some reason I wasn't liking how Strikers felt.


I'd love to be able to have an opinion on Sengoku Cannon, but the 3D backgrounds whizzing around made me feel physically sick within about 5 seconds of starting! It does look absolutely dreadful up to the point I can't play on though.


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I think zeroranger was still final boss at the time this came out.

Oh, I didn't even realize it was a port of a three year old game...

Not experiencing any noticable inout lag on the Switch Psikyo games, either the standalone or on the Alpha/Bravo packages. But I'm seeing the games being absolutely savaged for it, to the point where they're basically being called worthless. Which is some coronavirus panic buying level of overreaction.

I'm unsure about the coronavirus, but the lag issue is definitely an overreaction (at least on the Bravo collection). I've been actively trying to see what the issue is, and thus far, I've noticed nothing. Any "lag" is due to my decreasing reflexes...

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