No bullet hell shmups?

[shmupmaniac]

I'm shmup noob looking for good gear maybe one that is already made with good joystick and lotsa buttons. In the same time I'm interested to know which shmups should I play first. I'm quite certain I don't want to play bullet hells. Can you please tell me where can I find a list of such shmups? Are there any good 3d shmups?

[trap15]

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=51686

[shmupmaniac]

Thanks!

[mehguy]

Why don't you like bullet hells? Is it overwhelming?

Anyways, that's not the point, here are none bullet hells to get you started.

Steel empire
Thunder force 3-6
Fire shark
Truxton
Raiden series

[shmupmaniac]

Hi! I dislike them because they're overwhenlming like you said and also too confusing. Mate, can you please list all the 3d shmups as well, I'd appreciate it very much?

[mehguy]

Hi! I dislike them because they're overwhenlming like you said and also too confusing. Mate, can you please list all the 3d shmups as well, I'd appreciate it very much?

Well Raiden 3 and 4 are both 3d.

Gradius 5 (I wouldn't start out with that one) is 3d.

Sorry man, None bullet hells aren't exactly my strong point.

Just out of curiosity, why does it have to be 3d?

[shmupmaniac]

Because 3D are looking cool and interesting visually. That's my opinion. I'm not an expert on the subject since the only shmup I played so far is this one http://www.codergames.com/games/gamedet ... -attack-2/

I was looking for more such games using search engine and that's how I find your forum. Are there any cool looking 3d games such as that one?

[DoomsDave]

If you have an Xbox 360 then check out Eschatos or Ginga Force. They are 3D and very fun. Both are region free so they'll play on any console.

[shmupmaniac]

I only have computer. I'm not just shmup noob I'm also games noob in general, I don't own any consoles.

[mastermx]

Ikaruga is 3D, I wouldn't really call it bullet hell, because of its polarity system. It's available on pc too.

[shmupmaniac]

I watched videos of games you mentioned on YouTube and they're ok, but still too many bullets. I guess I should purchase the gear first then train. I assume it's much simpler and better to play with proper joystick than using keyboard.

[Cagar]

How about G-Darius? It's 3D, for PC and with focus on atmosphere instead of difficulty.

[EmperorIng]

How about G-Darius? It's 3D, for PC and with focus on atmosphere instead of difficulty.

G-Darius is excellent, but wouldn't it be hard to track down the PC port and get it working properly on new computers?

[Heavy Viper]

If it has to be 3D, then Einhander is the most obvious answer. That's another one with a lot of emphasis on atmosphere.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

I wouldn't write off bullet hell games entirely. They look scary to a beginner, but they're quite approachable when you learn where to keep your eyes, what bullets are there just for visual flair, etc. I'd strongly suggest taking a look at Blue Wish Resurrection / BWR Plus, which has very easy mechanics to learn and has extremely slow bullets on its easiest difficulty (while still being fun to play).

For non-bullet hell games, grab a GameGear emulator and pick up GG Aleste 1 & 2 (Power Strike II). Fantastic games both of them and they're probably more along what you're after since they were made for a handheld console and thus naturally have few bullets onscreen at a time compared to modern games (the hardest difficulties are still very fun and intense).

[shmupmaniac]

How about G-Darius? It's 3D, for PC and with focus on atmosphere instead of difficulty.

That could be something I could play though it's a side scroller from what I've seen, but all the games you recommended to me so far have plain graphics. They don't fall into Invader Attack 2 graphics category. There surely must be shmups that are of same graphic style?

[nasty_wolverine]

let see:
- R-Type Delta (PS1)
- Einhander (PS1)
- G-Darius (PS1)
- Eschatos (Xbox360)
- Ginga Force (Xbox360)
- Gradius V (PS2)
- Raiden III (PS2)
- Raiden IV (Xbox360)
- Trizeal (PS2)
- Psyvariar (PS2)
- Psyvariar 2 (PS2)
- Chaos Feild (DC)
- Ether Vapor (PC)
- Alltynex 2nd (PC)

anything not Xbox360 can be emulated and some available for other platforms/PC. I suggest starting out with Rtype Delta and Einhander.

Also, the whole thing about 3D being visually interesting, 2D sucking balls... is false. Just look at DDP:SDOJ, Akai Katana Shin (slash mode) and Crimzon Clover. And there are many more.

edit: regarding invader attacks 2, may be try the original? like Space Invaders Extreme? its on the psp which can be emulated.

[Cagar]

The 3D style just doesn't work that well when the gameplay is 2D, which is why 3D shmups are mostly disliked.

- Alltynex 2nd (PC)

Try this out

[BareKnuckleRoo]

That could be something I could play though it's a side scroller from what I've seen, but all the games you recommended to me so far have plain graphics. They don't fall into Invader Attack 2 graphics category. There surely must be shmups that are of same graphic style?

You mean this Invader Attack 2? lol, that thread

There's a few reasons shmups aren't generally made in 3D (there's a lot that are for arcade and console though): they're hard to make look as good. It's difficult to judge the exact position of your hitbox with a 3D perspective when you're at the edges of the screen compared to a 2D game's flat images. They're also usually more memory intensive, though a lot of games use prerendered 3D graphics to make the sprites (DDP DaiOuJou, Espgaluda, etc).

I just remembered a couple PC doujins that are actually 3D: xSynergy Gate and Die Slave. They're both interesting, but a bit rough around the edges.

Cosmic Predator was also fun if you're looking for are slower paced shmup.

[Kollision]

Got XBLA?
Try Omega Five, it's incredible.

[shmupmaniac]

let see:
- R-Type Delta (PS1)
- Einhander (PS1)
- G-Darius (PS1)
- Eschatos (Xbox360)
- Ginga Force (Xbox360)
- Gradius V (PS2)
- Raiden III (PS2)
- Raiden IV (Xbox360)
- Trizeal (PS2)
- Psyvariar (PS2)
- Psyvariar 2 (PS2)
- Chaos Feild (DC)
- Ether Vapor (PC)
- Alltynex 2nd (PC)

anything not Xbox360 can be emulated and some available for other platforms/PC. I suggest starting out with Rtype Delta and Einhander.

Also, the whole thing about 3D being visually interesting, 2D sucking balls... is false. Just look at DDP:SDOJ, Akai Katana Shin (slash mode) and Crimzon Clover. And there are many more.

edit: regarding invader attacks 2, may be try the original? like Space Invaders Extreme? its on the psp which can be emulated.

I looked and all those games on YouTube and even Space Invaders Extreme, if this is what you meant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rQXBkKMdFc

I'm not sure what the problem is, it's probably my inability to communicate well what I'm looking for. Let me have another try. That Space Invaders Extreme has even plainer graphics than the rest of your recommendations. I already have PC, the hardware necessary, because Invader Attack 2 works perfectly, looks amazing. There must be other PC computer games like that one looking the same, same graphic style, without any special requirements for emulation or setting up special stuff to make games work. Do you know of any such games?

[mehguy]

You should atleast try bullet hells. They're not that bad. The hit box on your ship isn't the whole ship, it's only a small box in the middle of the ship. Please to try them before writing them off. The most approachable bullet hell id say is dodonpachi.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

Invader Attack 2 looks actually quite boring, both from a gameplay and visual standpoint. It's dark, it's slow, it's utterly lacking in style, and it was made by a special snowflake who got himself banned from here. The problem here isn't with the games you've been recommended...

[mastermx]

If you want something really flashy and 3D try astebreed. If you want less bullets try some of the suggestions we've given on easy mode. Maybe even give sine mora a go. You never know what you might like until you try it. Don't forget this Genre is generally played for the challenge.

[shmupmaniac]

Invader Attack 2 looks actually quite boring, both from a gameplay and visual standpoint. It's dark, it's slow, it's utterly lacking in style, and it was made by a special snowflake who got himself banned from here. The problem here isn't with the games you've been recommended...

Works great on my computer, nothing is slow. I'm noob so I wasn't able to pass level 3 and it took me many days to pass second level. Once I figured out the blue invaders have shield that can't be penetrated and that I needed to wait for their shields to go down. I can't pass third level because of homing missiles. I need proper gear to play shmups, it's hard to play on keyboard. I love the game, it's perfect for me. I love the style, I assumed those kind of games are on PC, I didn't know it was so hard to find something similar. Invader Attack 2 is the reason why I'm looking for proper joystick for shmups and why I even bother typing here so much.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

Are you a just a CoderGamesIsBack sockpuppet account?

[Cagar]

Are you a just a CoderGamesIsBack sockpuppet account?

Shh.... Let's keep pretending that we don't know

[shmupmaniac]

Are you a just a CoderGamesIsBack sockpuppet account?

??

[rancor]

I sense a big reveal coming up - A new game from a new company that OP found, and has no connection to other than to sing it's praises.

[Bananamatic]

invader attack 3 hype