Degica Shmups Thread

[Patashu]

The FPS cutoff for unofficial scores is something being reviewed. We might remove it - it doesn't seem to be preventing hackers from uploading scores to the leaderboard as intended anyway.

But I do hope that there will be other ways to keep hackers from messing with the leaderboards. Maybe there is a way to automatically upload input files an do some plausibility checks.

This is what Deadly Rooms of Death games do with their online leaderboards, BTW - to place in the leaderboards, the game submits a replay of your path through the level, and the server plays it back. If it matches the score you claimed you had, it stays, else it gets annihilated.
You can't make an online leaderboard hack-proof without doing anything anything less than that.
And even then, it will be vulnerable to replays made with TAS and slowdown hacks, which itself can only be prevented by making the replay publicly viewable and having a community that can notice when replays are cheated.

[Bonus!]

So there would have to be a combination of a FPS check and an input validation?

[Blackbird]

Yeah. I think the only "foolproof" way to do it would be some kind of community verification where players could flag hacked scores for deletion. This would definitely get rid of all the hacked scores, but it would also create the possibility for abuse, because you know some troll is going to start flagging legitimate scores just to be a jerk.

[Bonus!]

Yeah. I think the only "foolproof" way to do it would be some kind of community verification where players could flag hacked scores for deletion. This would definitely get rid of all the hacked scores, but it would also create the possibility for abuse, because you know some troll is going to start flagging legitimate scores just to be a jerk.

The jerk issue can be dealt with by simply removing the right of that person to flag submissions, in case there has been abuse. This is where the infrastructure of Steam is a clear advantage, since the games you own are tied to individual accounts, which then leads to, well, accountability.

[cfx]

I'm not sure which is worse, Steam DRM, or the condescending attitude of the apologists towards the few of us that refuse to accept the DRM.

[buko-studios]

Might be a bit late to the party, but we have a shmup community group over on Deviant Art you might like to check out.
Feel free to drop by the Shmuproom

[Blackbird]

Alright, getting some more forums and social networking stuff set up. I dropped by shmuproom as well, looks sweet in there! I need to look around the deviations once I get a little more time.

[Blackbird]

Got a little something exciting for you today. I will be posting a series of replays over the next couple days from a high profile player...


Yotsubane himself =). I know some of you wanted to know what his scores were like. The answer: they're pretty darn good! Starting the series off we have a couple of Time Attack runs. An appetizer to the main course, if you will. Take a look for yourself over on Degica's youtube channel.

Edit 8/27: Replays pulled.

Here's Degica's twitter page: https://twitter.com/Doujin_Games

As well as my page (under construction) which will be a bit more CC WI specific for now: https://twitter.com/CrimzonCloverWI

I'll post updates on that channel (as well as here of course).

Amusingly, it looks like 90% of you are on Twitter already =P. I feel behind the times...

[Bananamatic]

will there be Unlimited?

[Blackbird]

Will you commentate it if there is =D?

[Tim James]

Time Attack Type III

I could give him a few pointers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQbfBjflqUU

[Blackbird]

Yep, there are higher scoring Time Attacks out there. He focused his efforts in other modes...

[Blackbird]

Here's another couple runs. The first is another Time Attack run, this time with Type II. I saved the best one for last.

The next one is a little meatier - an Arcade Original run with the less-played Type III. It's a nice demonstration of the ship type that would place 5th on the global leaderboards (at the time of this post) if it were an official score.

Edit 8/27: Replays pulled.

[Bananamatic]

Type III is not the most ideal ship for Original or Unlimited tbh

Also, who is the Unlimited run player and what ship?

[Blackbird]

Sent to PM because of spoilers.

[Blackbird]

I was going to save this for later, but enthusiasm got the better of me. We also need a better end for this series than "just" a 2 Chou replay, right ? Here's the final replay of the series, a Type I Unlimited run by Yotsubane that scores almost 7 trillion points. Enjoy.

If this score were uploaded, it would put Yotsubane at number one of the Type I leaderboards - for now, haha. He really is as good as the rumors say =D.

Edit 8/27: Replays pulled.

[Bananamatic]

I remember seeing that the Type I Unlimited WR was also over 10tril(by ISO I believe?), possibly even higher now

Pretty great routes there, even if the execution wasn't 100%

[Blackbird]

Now that I've said this, GFA2-ISO will post a better score the next day, just to roll me, lol.

As far as I know, the current WR is that 11 Chou Type II score by SELDIA.

[-S.L-]

More videos by japanese superplayers please !!

It's great to see Tac playing his own game, I'm happy to see this !

[Erppo]

The Nesica online boards have over 10 chou scores for every ship except type 3 (I think that one had 9). All by the same guy. I think he might be ISO but that's not the name used there.

[Bananamatic]

http://mtlayk.web.fc2.com/Top/Top2.htm seems to be a bit outdated but ISO did indeed destroy Unlimited big time

[Tim James]

Yep, there are higher scoring Time Attacks out there. He focused his efforts in other modes...

Seems like everyone is focusing on other modes. I still haven't seen a Type III time attack replay higher than mine on YouTube. I've been waiting for two months now.

[Blackbird]

So what you guys are saying is, GFA2 or get out =D?

[rtw]

forgive me for asking but what does "chou scores" mean ?

[CKR]

forgive me for asking but what does "chou scores" mean ?

I believe a chou is a japanese name for a trillion.

[Patashu]

forgive me for asking but what does "chou scores" mean ?

Japanese group digits in 4s. So instead of million billion trillion... they have this:

Code: Select all

chou  oka
0000 0000 0000 0000
   T   B   M

And it so happens that 1 chou == 1 trillion and 10 oka = 1 billion.

[rtw]

forgive me for asking but what does "chou scores" mean ?

Japanese group digits in 4s. So instead of million billion trillion... they have this:

Code: Select all

 chou  oka
0000 0000 0000 0000
   T   B   M

And it so happens that 1 oka == 1 trillion and 10 chou = 1 billion.

Thanks for the heads up!

[Patashu]

I accidentally got it backwards because I'm dumb, post edited to fix.

[Erppo]

Took pictures of the current Nesica high scores: http://imgur.com/a/I1q2q

[Blackbird]

2Boshi's got Unlimited locked up o_O.

Would you mind if I reposted these, Erppo?