RAZION - NG:DEV.TEAM shmup coming to NEO GEO Fall 2014

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Between NG:DEV.TEAM and Hucast, the Hellwigs are cranking these out at a blistering pace. This one's a hori, though. Too early to tell what the hook (if any) is beyond that.

http://razion.ngdevteam.com/

Trailer here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyByt-9xyMM

Is it just me or are there shades of DUX in the graphics and pacing? Pre-beta, though.
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Looks like what redux should have been...
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That was my first thought.
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I like the music.
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It looks like Dux on steroids, I like the dark gritty look.
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Lol, all over again with the first two levels straight out of R-Type (first level) and R-Type II (second level), at least there's no force pod this time around, just a wave cannon.

The Terminator boss later on is kinda cool but I don't know if those massive pre-rendered bosses with lots of frames but weak on gameplay are that impressive anymore.
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Not buying this crap. Bye.
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Reredux?! DUX - NeoGeo Edition?

That is actually shameless. Enemies, bullets and stage design lifted straight from DUX. I don't think anyone would've minded expanding on the shmup level of Gunlord, which I thought was what this was going to be until the gameplay started. Then I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
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ciox wrote:The Terminator boss later on is kinda cool
I thought it was cool until it took 3 weeks to form that laser.
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I'm glad I don't have a Neo geo,so won't get sucked in,please don't release this on dc.
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TransatlanticFoe wrote:Reredux?! DUX - NeoGeo Edition?

That is actually shameless. Enemies, bullets and stage design lifted straight from DUX. I don't think anyone would've minded expanding on the shmup level of Gunlord, which I thought was what this was going to be until the gameplay started. Then I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
They really done so? Wow! I've not touched Dux (Redux, Redux 0.1.0.2.4 etc) for so long, so to clarify; they've just tinkered with the speed/mechanics and remixed the visuals and stage elements?

I was all ready to post here feeling optimistic, if slightly unsure after Neo XYX's almost unforgivable bugs. But if they've really just remashed Dux again, I'm not so sure.

I guess if what they do ultimately delivers a good game that's mechanically/interactively fresh, it shouldn't be a problem that it's Rereredux. but it would still feel odd.

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Jonst wrote:please don't release this on dc.
When you load up the Razion website, whatever the text in the top edge of the browser frame is called reads 'R•A•Z•I•O•N for NEO.GEO and Sega Dreamcast'. It seems they will be doing a DC release.
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Doesn't look too DUX-esque to me. Sure, both this and DUX are offshoots of R-Type so there are obvious similar setpieces, but unless I've completely purged DUX from my mind, the bosses behave differently and the stage design isn't "straight from DUX". Since this is an NG:DEV.TEAM release I'm more hopeful than if it was just a Hucast game.

Not thrilled about the pre-rendered graphics though, I was hoping after Neo XYX they'd stick with pretty pixels.
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@ Spadgy Oh really? Damn,the problem is,if it does make to the dc I know I'll buy it! But I do feel stung by NG dev team and hucast.At least I won't have to worry about finding the money to pay for it when it comes out in ten years time!
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Ghegs wrote:Doesn't look too DUX-esque to me. Sure, both this and DUX are offshoots of R-Type so there are obvious similar setpieces, but unless I've completely purged DUX from my mind, the bosses behave differently and the stage design isn't "straight from DUX". Since this is an NG:DEV.TEAM release I'm more hopeful than if it was just a Hucast game.
Well, that's encouraging. Again, by DUX intimacy is low, but I sensed Ration is a little faster and more frantic?
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If NG:DEV want to make another hori they should build on what they had in those gunlord shmups stages, they were awesome.
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spadgy wrote:When you load up the Razion website, whatever the text in the top edge of the browser frame is called reads 'R•A•Z•I•O•N for NEO.GEO and Sega Dreamcast'. It seems they will be doing a DC release.
That still could be a "copy and paste error" as it seems that http://neoxyx.ngdevteam.com/ was the template for http://razion.ngdevteam.com/.
Ghegs wrote:Doesn't look too DUX-esque to me. ... Since this is an NG:DEV.TEAM release I'm more hopeful than if it was just a Hucast game.
How about "NEO DUX ala Timm"? One can almost imagine Rene handing over the DUX code base to Timm: "I'm done with this - if you want it for a NEO GEO game, be my guest".
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Cee wrote:If NG:DEV want to make another hori they should build on what they had in those gunlord shmups stages, they were awesome.
how many of them were in it?
I thought it was only one (2nd)
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Kollision wrote:
Cee wrote:If NG:DEV want to make another hori they should build on what they had in those gunlord shmups stages, they were awesome.
how many of them were in it?
I thought it was only one (2nd)
On second thought i think you're right but even so it was going the right way alot more than anything based on dux.
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Protip: Don't use sounds from any of the DUX releases for a sound you'll hear quite a lot. Yet they went and did it for the cube grabbing sound. Still looks really quite nice, and has a nice faster looking pace. Also, I have no idea what it is that does it, but that second stage really reminds me of Blazing Star. Nice look to it as well.
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That looks unpolished as hell, much like pretty much every other NGDEV game. Not sure if it's the capture equipment or what, but it also looks pretty ugly. The pre-renders are really gross looking.
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Why bother now? There'll be a bug and you'll have to buy it again.
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I was hoping for Gunlord 2 or like someone said bit up in the thread a STG that was like the Shooting stage in Gunlord.
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Not interested. Looks like a quick and easy cash grab to further exploit the Neo-Geo collector's market. It's incredibly derivative of their earlier work, with recycled sprites for bullets and boss life bars. Still waiting for NG's promised Ikari Warriors-style overhead run-and-gun.
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Not really feeling this one. Looks like a Last Hope / Fast striker mash up.

It's based on Dux/Redux too which got less than stellar reviews.
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i don't really know anything about the dux situation and i can still say "lol, reviews"

i can also say that a "last hope/fast striker mashup" would theoretically get a lot of people hype

(somewhat unrelated: for the record, i think pulstar-tier pre-rendering is an ok style)
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Looks alright and I'll probably get the dc version at some point :roll: but really, what's with the R-type obsession, I also would rather have seen something more similiar to the Gunlord shmup stage..
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Oh no, here we go again :lol:
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What the fuck, MOST of the screen area is taken by those stupid borders! Stop that, idiots!
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Rene sold tons of pre-orders for Ghost Blade last year with 500 of a very limited and expensive edition which sold out fast .
That game should have been ready for release in 2013 but is delayed with no new release date and now it looks like he was quite busy working with his brother on this and are now again taking pre-orders .

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Despatche wrote:(somewhat unrelated: for the record, i think pulstar-tier pre-rendering is an ok style)
The prerendering here is pretty dirty in some cases. Weird outline fuzz on the gold for example. Just ugly. Stuff needs either a better rendering pipeline or some manual cleanup.
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