Ketsui: Kizuna Jigoku Tachi Extra (XBox 360)

[Shelcoof]

Excellent Read EOJ

Thanks for posting

[bcass]

I'd like to see proof of pcb prices in the 50,000 yen range.

Here you go:
http://page4.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d105577379

Ouch.

[Dave_K.]

And here is one that went for 70,000 the week after that ended, although it had the artwork.

http://page4.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d103822220

Clearly people dumping their boards out of despiration before the port even got released, but time will tell if it continues to decline now that the port is out.

[EOJ]

The 70K one was a nearly complete boxed kit (just missing the small yellow sticker, flier, and suction cup from what I can tell - the box isn't pictured but is mentioned in the item description). It also included the promo flier.

[bcass]

I don't think anybody expected the port to be this good. It's a crying shame that it's sold so badly and is still in the hands of the minority (relatively speaking, given the size of the global 360 user-base). It would have been great to see 5pb port MMP and Pink Sweets now they've shown that they're more than capable. I can't see them being too eager to do it now after all this effort with so little return.

[Elixir]

I don't think anybody expected the port to be this good. It's a crying shame that it's sold so badly and is still in the hands of the minority (relatively speaking, given the size of the global 360 user-base). It would have been great to see 5pb port MMP and Pink Sweets now they've shown that they're more than capable. I can't see them being too eager to do it now after all this effort with so little return.

Even if 5pb. were eager, they are in financial struggle (Steins;Gate being their only successful game of last year (which I hear is really good but I avoid Japanese net slang like the plague)) and I highly doubt Cave would be happy with leasing their games to 5pb. again, what with all the nonsense and delays that have been had. If 5pb. were to port MMP, I wouldn't expect it for another 3 years.

Besides, why have your games ported by 5pb when you can have them ported by Asada, who is willing to create HD modes which truthfully, is what turns heads and sells these games to the people who weren't already buying them?

[bcass]

I think Ketsui is the best 360 port released so far. Not because I think it's the best game, but because it's the most focussed. I'm not all that bothered about hi-res and countless game modes. What matters to me is a bug-free accurate port of the arcade game, above all else. I'm interested in a well-conceived package, which is what this is. Also, sales have been declining for Cave's ports since the initial buzz of DeathSmiles, so I'm not so sure about the allure of all these extraneous game modes and hi-res graphics. This would explain why Cave are moving focus to original content instead of ports.

Besides, why have your games ported by 5pb when you can have them ported by Asada

Because 5pb have done a better job. All the Cave-developed ports have bugs/inacuracies and are missing things like decent screen filters. Cave have lost sight of the core game in favour of adding extraneous content.

It's true though, I don't think we'll be seeing any more ports from 5pb, which in the end is our loss, because after a sticky first attempt with DOJ (which is actually a really great package and well worth owning despite the flaws), they finally got it right and they delivered, big-time.

[Elixir]

I think Ketsui is the best 360 port released so far. Not because I think it's the best game, but because it's the most focussed. I'm not all that bothered about hi-res and countless game modes. What matters to me is a bug-free accurate port of the arcade game, above all else. I'm interested in a well-conceived package, which is what this is. Also, sales have been declining for Cave's ports since the initial buzz of DeathSmiles, so I'm not so sure about the allure of all these extraneous game modes and hi-res graphics.

Sales have probably been declining because Deathsmiles was a horizontal shooter which covered more of the screen, yet the others aren't. I know I wouldn't play Futari in yoko if given the opportunity to choose.

Because 5pb have done a better job. All the Cave-developed ports have bugs/inacuracies and are missing things like decent screen filters. Cave have lost sight of the core game in favour of adding extraneous content.

I disagree, I think Futari is an overall better port. HD, a huge array of modes (something like 15 or 17, I counted awhile back but forgot), a huge array of options, Black Label DLC, and so on. The arrange mode doesn't grab me half as much as X-mode in Ketsui does, but it's still something to be considered.

What I'm saying is, M2 seem like a company who could easily do another project like Futari. I say this having experienced Futari, the Sega Ages games for PS2, and the Wii's Virtual Console emulators which they made (most of them). 5pb probably can't pull this off again.

[bcass]

I wouldn't object to M2 doing more ports. I'd rather have 5pb do them now I've seen what they're capable of, but I'd rather have either of them do it over Cave doing it.

[ChurchOfSolipsism]

Whelp... bit the bullet and ordered Ketsui along with a Japanese 360. I really don't believe this game's going to come to the US, so I'm testing my hypothesis by dropping hella cash. Gambling is fun!

Don't forget that you will be able to play a bunch of fucking awesome games years earlier - if they get released in your country at all. Doesn't sound like a gamble to me, more like a recipe for awesomeness.

[Elixir]

There's a Ketsui gamerpic out there.. has anyone unlocked it or found out how? It's a pic of DOOM, just like how DOJBLEX had one of Hibachi.

[Skykid]

The 70K one was a nearly complete boxed kit (just missing the small yellow sticker, flier, and suction cup from what I can tell - the box isn't pictured but is mentioned in the item description). It also included the promo flier.

It's all hyperbole. One day all this shit will be very scarce, especially as western interests in Cave and shmups are seeing boards expedited from Japan on a regular basis. I picked up my Battle Garegga three years ago for £70 shipped - has anyone seen the YHJ prices for it now?
My mate in Nippon is guilty of being a full time exporter for ca$h, and he told me the rate at which Japan's games resource has dried up in the eight years he's been resident is stifling - and it's made his job a lot harder. He's got an informed approximation for the Tokyo gaming apocalypse if the shelves continue to dwindle at such a rate.

For that reason I'm holding on to my Ketsui and everything else too, and I'm hoping this price fluctuation means I might be able to get my hands on a suction cup!
The (relative) ease of tracking down such stuff right now is a blessing.

[cools]

The 70K one was a nearly complete boxed kit (just missing the small yellow sticker, flier, and suction cup from what I can tell - the box isn't pictured but is mentioned in the item description). It also included the promo flier.

A bare board will be within my reach soon

[Skykid]

The 70K one was a nearly complete boxed kit (just missing the small yellow sticker, flier, and suction cup from what I can tell - the box isn't pictured but is mentioned in the item description). It also included the promo flier.

A bare board will be within my reach soon

Wahey, Cools joins the KDF!

[EOJ]

He's got an informed approximation for the Tokyo gaming apocalypse if the shelves continue to dwindle at such a rate.

It's all hyperbole.

[Skykid]

He's got an informed approximation for the Tokyo gaming apocalypse if the shelves continue to dwindle at such a rate.

It's all hyperbole.

Ha ha, probably yeah. Time will tell eh.

[=SNC=]

Ketsui hasn't got rank like garegga or doj isn't it?

[Skykid]

Ketsui hasn't got rank like garegga or doj isn't it?

Nothing has a rank like Garegga.

[Plasmo]

Except Garegga

Rank:

No rank in Ketsui.

[JAPJAC]

I don't think anybody expected the port to be this good.

February 05, 2010, 04:11:36 AM - I have and never have had any doubt in my mind that Ketsui X360 will not disappoint. In fact, I think it has the potential to eliminate the few minor annoying flaws (bugs, choppy slowdown, graphical glitches) that the PCB has even. Here are my 10 reasons:

1. It's Ketsui.
2. DoDonPachi Dai Ou Jou Black Label X360 was a disaster which was a blessing for Ketsui X360.
3. Soukyugurentai for the Sega Saturn had Electronic Arts on the box.
4. Ketsui DS was remarkable for what it was.
5. Everyone involved clearly REALLY cares.
6. The obscene delays shows that they are being so careful.
7. Ketsui is Cave's least slowdown reliant title making for an easier task surely.
8. It's Ketsui.
9. Ketsui is Cave's pièce de résistance (IMO).
10. I've played the first level and I thought it was blinding.

[Plasmo]

Only ONE of them expected it to be this good. Only ONE, only the FIRST ONE. Only the FIRST ONE knew how good it really was, from the very start, from day one on of course!

HAIL TO THE FIRST ONE!

[Jockel]

[Skykid]

[cools]

The 70K one was a nearly complete boxed kit (just missing the small yellow sticker, flier, and suction cup from what I can tell - the box isn't pictured but is mentioned in the item description). It also included the promo flier.

A bare board will be within my reach soon

Wahey, Cools joins the KDF!

Sometime this year, certainly.

I'll need a Galuda again too..

[lmagus]

He never stops surprising me (in a bad way)

[Jockel]

He never stops surprising me (in a bad way)

It's always lonely at the top.

[Dragoforce]

He never stops surprising me (in a bad way)

It's always lonely at the top.

I was about to say that at least he got a nice view up there. But since he only seems to looking at his own left hand, his dead forum and stolen display boxes I retract that statement.

[2dvertical]

Jesus H, what did this guy do!

[RGC]

At the top, telling you so since day one.

[RonanN1]

Hello.

Guys, I have some questions. I search the forums and did not find any answers (if they are any and I did not search well please excuse me and I will be glad if you can point me to some discussions).

I'm not a GOD of shmups I'm just a huge fan So pelase bare with me...

The achievements guide that I read is this - http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=24786

Here are my problems/questions:

1.

エヴァッカニア・ドゥーム撃破 (120)
Destroy True Last Boss Evaccaneer Doom

Oki. So I understand what I have to do (I have face many True Last Bosses in other shmups) but this one dosen't appear. Do I have to do something special? I just play Arcade Mode...and reach the last boss with one credit. Beat him and nothing else. To I have to wait some time?...

2.

All Your Base… (10)
Make it through the reverse-scrolling section of Stage 5 without dying a total of 10 times

...dosen't this have a japanese name? Like the other achievements? And ahet is the reverse-scrolling section of Stage 5? I finish stage 5 without loosing 10 lives and nothing (can you please tell me the japanese name of the achievement, maby I already have it.

3.

And my final question. When will I get all the options unlock in the EX option menu? I have three now. Loop, Ketsui Bomb and Continue at Doom. My total play time (for now) is 5:32:31 and I have 496/1000.

*p.s.

3.1

Another small one: What's Continue at Doom? I play with it ON and notning happend. I play with it OFF and nothing happend (i'm confused).

Thank you for your (future) answers.

*p.s. 2

Here is a video, that I found, for:

ケツイボム (20)
Turn Ketsui Bomb on in the EX options and hope you manage to luck into bouncing a bomb around the screen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTtSgko1 ... FhAi0IkwBQ