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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 3:45 pm 


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Should be "My blood pressure is 'Raizing'" but anyway.
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Garegga has the best gfx/ost combo on the list (maybe Rayforce). Just look at Gun Frontier. That's a dated abomination. The dark and detailed look of Garegga is perfect for it. If it was remade by Cave today it'd probably look like an Easter decoration. Then you'd have to listen to squealing and shit. I hate Ibara.

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what does owning it have to do with anything??you made up your opinion on the game pretty fast ..within 2 days of getting the game you put it up for trade :roll:
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of all the years since Ketsui's release, it hasn't come into the Top 25 this way. A petition starts to get it up there, and bam, it's now considered one of the top 5 shmups. A PCB. Which most people don't own. Is in the top 5.


But we are now getting to a stage where Ketsui boards (naturally, given their price) have exchanged hands many, many times - meaning more people than you think are getting the chance to play it. It's not like each board sold goes straight into a hardcore collector's vault; never to be seen again. Primarily, it's a game that's bought to be played.

The bigger issue, though, is more the vote weighting. Ketsui didn't score well on this year's list because tons of randoms stuck it down with a [1] next to it - it did well because the small-ish circle of people who have played/owned it, rate it extremely highly indeed.


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i dont get the whole 'petition' argument....

if you read through the KDF thread, its mostly just people who own the board acting the fool and making ketsui related jokes....not much of a campaign if you ask me.....

if people voted for ketsui without ever having played it that is silly.....but based on the listings jpj was providing as people cast votes for ketsui, almost every name i saw was people who either had regular access to the game or owned it.....

its not that rare.....id be willing to bet there are over 20 people on here that own the PCB....and that provides a lot of other people with a means of playing it....

its expensive, but if you want one its not that hard to track down relatively quick

if ketsui was in the $500 range would it still be 'over-hyped'?


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I was the one who said the majority of voters should play the game instead of voting for it. I can't "prove" that the majority of Ketsui voters haven't played the game, but it's the most overhyped game on this forum. It goes right beside Touhou hate and overrating RSG. I mean come on, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how overrated Ketsui is. It lies within the shmups forum etiquette and you all damn well know it does. That aside, it's pretty fucking sad that people had to petition just to get the game where it is now.

Out of all the years since Ketsui's release, it hasn't come into the Top 25 this way. A petition starts to get it up there, and bam, it's now considered one of the top 5 shmups. A PCB. Which most people don't own. Is in the top 5.


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I was the one who said the majority of voters should play the game instead of voting for it. I can't "prove" that the majority of Ketsui voters haven't played the game, but it's the most overhyped game on this forum. It goes right beside Touhou hate and overrating RSG. I mean come on, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how overrated Ketsui is. It lies within the shmups forum etiquette and you all damn well know it does. That aside, it's pretty fucking sad that people had to petition just to get the game where it is now.

Out of all the years since Ketsui's release, it hasn't come into the Top 25 this way. A petition starts to get it up there, and bam, it's now considered one of the top 5 shmups. A PCB. Which most people don't own. Is in the top 5.


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I called it back at Easter time… and I got clowned and laughed at by all the stans…


and then you gave it a [25] vote :roll:

cant play both sides of the fence my friend :wink:


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Sonic R wrote:
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I called it back at Easter time… and I got clowned and laughed at by all the stans


Yes, mainly for repeatedly saying "stans" :?


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if ketsui was in the $500 range would it still be 'over-hyped'?


Yes.

But people would have more of an opportunity to play it if the price weren't, oh, I dunno, close to a grand USD right now. It would make more sense if the price of the game were lower so people could experience and then vote for it with a more accurate mindset about the game, instead of people either not being able to play it due to the inaccessibility of the game because of how sought after it is, making the price what it is today. It's sought after mostly due to word-of-mouth. When I bought Ketsui one of my non-shmup friends immediately said "isn't that the holy grail of shmups? nice buy." and he hasn't even seen any footage of it.
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Elixir wrote:
Out of all the years since Ketsui's release, it hasn't come into the Top 25 this way. A petition starts to get it up there, and bam, it's now considered one of the top 5 shmups. A PCB. Which most people don't own. Is in the top 5.


Or alternatively, I present another reason...

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it's my first year voting due to the much more leanient criteria


...which is also the case for several other people, including me.

And this:

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if you read through the KDF thread, its mostly just people who own the board acting the fool and making ketsui related jokes....not much of a campaign if you ask me.....


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instead of people either not being able to play it due to the inaccessibility of the game because of how sought after it is, making the price what it is today.


Or...?
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everything you just said, Elixir,could also be applied to the argument that it is that good :wink:


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Elixir wrote:
Just came here to say that 90% of the Ketsui voters haven't played/extensively played the game.


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I'm not saying people who haven't 1cc'd the game aren't entitled to have an opinion of it, but most people have only played it at friends/conventions/arcades and haven't actually owned it.


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I'm sure having a higher score means his opinion of the game is superior to mine and everyone else's here.
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I'm going to have to look to see who is putting the original Mushi on their list. That's just strange.


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pg, you make some very sage and salient points*, but I'm thinking you'll just have to accept that people vote for different things, for a whole host of reasons. This includes fleeting whimsy, or maybe the fact their dog died the day they 1'CC'd a game, giving it a special poetic poignancy. Who gives a fig though, right? I mean, surely you can't say it's a mistake for someone to let personal opinions influence their erm...opinions. I voted Mushi because it single-handedly drew me not just back into shoot-em-ups, but back into videogaming following a 7-8 year hiatus. I also happen to appreciate the game's technical merits, and accept that on that basis alone it probably ain't the greatest. You see where I'm coming from. So, strange? Fair enough. But mistaken? I think that goes a little too far. Respect an' all. :)

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more drama please 8)

the 36 people who voted for ketsui are as follows. someone please tell me which 90%, 50%, or any other percentage you want to pull out of thin air, have not played ketsui (or not played it "enough" when you stated it the second time):

jpj
jonny5
chi_ryu
dave_k
jockel
JAPJAC
aventus
Koma
gunbird18
drboom
yosai
markedkiller78
charliechong
emphatic
RGC
SFKhoa
PROMETHEUS
CRI
malik11
skykid
rtw
icarus
szycag
powerfuran
gwyrgyn blood
PsikyoPshmupPlayerP
lowemark
sven666
sonic r
innerpattern
stuminator
animaitor
msm
lynchesque
CIT
grinning cat
neist
rob (okay, maybe not rob :) )

???

incognescente didn't have any problems with my thread and even linked us in the discussion thread. and i think i said in one of the poll-related topics that initially KDF was supposed to be a team for me and two people at arcadeotaku, and the thread was supposed to be a way of carrying on sonic's thread but from an alternate perspective (and hopefully result in a bit more drama :P ), but it kinda gained some momentum and all went a bit weird :lol:

i can understand some people being a bit dismayed that shiki 2, dragon blaze, or whatever, is dropped from the list. so i would say maybe you too should have some sort of [insert game] appreciation thread, if only to remind people what a great game that was. i reckon next year i'll do something for MMP :)

i don't think a voting campaign during a voting poll should seem so foreign. i got the idea from ceph's nexzr thread (although that was somewhat less successful).

i'm all up for discussions about what should or shouldn't be in a top 25. but can we please get away from using bullshit words like "overrated". someone tell me why ketsui doesn't deserve to be in the top 25, based on gameplay.

i like the idea of only being allowed to vote for games that you've posted a score on. i'm pretty confident that everything i voted for meets that criteria.

icarus: wait til ketsui is on mame :P

arcadeotaku is not a moshpit

KDF is not a religious cult. our relationship with the cow is purely platonic

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Title and platform information are listed in descending order according to percentage of the merged vote. Votes for unspecified platforms are not marked in any special way, so you may see listings like Homura (PS2) which contain votes not explicitly for the platform(s) listed.

For the Top 25 and Honorable Mention, I have listed merged platforms which did not receive votes in brackets (for example, there were no votes for Dodonpachi (SAT)). I did not have patience enough to do this for the remaining 383 games. Some regional names are missing because no one voted for the game by the alternate title.


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   Top 25:
001. Battle Garegga (ARC/SAT)                                :  6.421904  58  3.317883
002. Dodonpachi (ARC[/SAT/PS1])                              :  6.010922  56  2.973911
003. Dodonpachi Daioujou / Black Label (ARC/PS2)             :  5.899249  55  2.915552
004. Ketsui Kizuna Jigoku Tachi (ARC)                        :  5.809524  39  4.037292
005. Armed Police Batrider (ARC)                             :  5.578668  52  2.757972
006. ESPGaluda / Arranged (ARC/PS2)                          :  5.343837  54  2.319745
007. Mushihimesama (ARC/PS2)                                 :  5.023244  49  2.315952
008. Ikaruga (ARC/DC/GC/XBLA)                                :  4.886682  47  2.304351
009. Gradius V (PS2)                                         :  4.431485  46  1.829922
010. Guwange (ARC)                                           :  4.273840  44  1.792788
011. Radiant Silvergun (SAT/ARC)                             :  3.975363  35  2.123383
012. Mars Matrix (ARC/DC)                                    :  3.795933  38  1.675358
013. Batsugun / Batsugun Special Ver. (ARC[/SAT])            :  3.784564  39  1.584684
014. Progear no Arashi (ARC)                                 :  3.775118  38  1.650146
015. Raiden DX (ARC/PS1)                                     :  3.738999  34  1.914001
016. Dangun Feveron (ARC)                                    :  3.617763  38  1.459559
017. Raiden Fighters Jet (ARC)                               :  3.591569  34  1.735437
018. ESP Ra.De. (ARC)                                        :  3.476097  38  1.287975
019. Ibara (ARC/PS2)                                         :  3.395333  35  1.420857
020. Strikers 1945 II (ARC[/PS1/PS2/SAT])                    :  3.253229  32  1.479445
021. R-Type (ARC/PS1/PCE)                                    :  3.105519  34  1.146738
022. Border Down (ARC/DC)                                    :  3.061728  33  1.170601
023. Giga Wing (ARC/DC)                                      :  2.963187  32  1.128151
024. Rayforce/Layer Section/Galactic Attack (ARC/SAT[/PS2])  :  2.947505  30  1.262959
025. Mushihimesama Futari / 1.5 / Black Label (ARC)          :  2.870157  26  1.476878

   Honorable Mention:
026. Soukyugurentai (ARC/SAT[/PS1])                          :  2.678293  28  1.090693
027. Dragon Blaze (ARC[/PS2])                                :  2.609357  27  1.084099
028. Gradius Gaiden (PS1)                                    :  2.536699  25  1.149899
029. Under Defeat (ARC/DC)                                   :  2.452722  25  1.048187
030. Shikigami no Shiro 2/Castle Shikigami 2 (PS2/DC/GC/ARC) :  2.433308  26  0.947771
031. G-Darius (ARC/PS2[/PS1])                                :  2.375312  25  0.954429
032. Battle Bakraid (ARC)                                    :  2.296555  25  0.859038
033. Gunbird 2 (DC[/AC/PS2])                                 :  2.193464  24  0.811078
034. Kyukyoku Tiger / Twin Cobra (ARC/MD[/PS1/PCE])          :  1.978469  19  0.935182
035. Thunder Force 4 / Lightening Force (MD/GEN)             :  1.954050  21  0.751804
036. DeathSmiles / MegaBlack Label (ARC)                     :  1.880812  20  0.740000
037. Zero Gunner 2 (ARC/DC)                                  :  1.813534  21  0.581613
038. Darius Gaiden (SAT/ARC)                                 :  1.808263  20  0.652129
039. Thunderforce 3 (MD)                                     :  1.785824  18  0.778753
040. Donpachi (ARC[/PS1/SAT])                                :  1.692962  18  0.666281
041. ESPGaluda II (ARC)                                      :  1.637511  16  0.752921
042. Blazing Star (ARC)                                      :  1.618834  19  0.499596
043. Psyvariar 2 (ARC/PS2[/DC/Xbox])                         :  1.562126  15  0.738516
044. Einhänder (PS1)                                         :  1.518167  17  0.531471
045. Strikers 1945 (ARC[/SAT/PS1/PS2])                       :  1.438623  18  0.358228

   the Rest:
046. Summer Carnival '92: Recca (FC)                         :  1.395759  13  0.690815
047. Muchi Muchi Pork (ARC)                                  :  1.389037  14  0.605773
048. Tatsujin / Truxton (ARC/MD)                             :  1.370988  16  0.430111
049. Sexy Parodius (SAT/ARC)                                 :  1.366175  15  0.501182
050. Raiden Fighters 2 (ARC)                                 :  1.318288  14  0.520083
051. Thunder Force V (SAT/PS1)                               :  1.229673  13  0.489655
052. Dimahoo / Great Mahou Daisakusen (ARC)                  :  1.211335  14  0.390543
053. Cho Ren Sha 68K (Win)                                   :  1.192419  12  0.521434
054. R-Type Delta (PS1)                                      :  1.183665  12  0.510832
055. Robotron 2084 (ARC)                                     :  1.156681  12  0.478148
056. Zanac Neo (PS1)                                         :  1.152535  12  0.473126
057. Strikers 1999 / Strikers 1945 III (ARC)                 :  1.115202  12  0.427910
058. Triggerheart Exelica (DC/X360)                          :  1.108376  11  0.496542
059. Gradius (ARC/NES/SAT)                                   :  1.091370  11  0.475946
060. Mahou Daisakusen (ARC)                                  :  1.063719  12  0.365554
061. Twinkle Star Sprites (DC)                               :  1.061735  10  0.516952
062. Zanac (NES) / Zanac EX (MSX)                            :  1.056809  11  0.434085
063. Gradius II: Gofer no Yabou (ARC/PCE-CD)                 :  1.026752  11  0.397680
064. Psyvariar Revision / Medium Unit (ARC)                 :  1.022956  11  0.393082
065. Flying Shark / Hishou Zame / Sky Shark (ARC)            :  1.020157  11  0.389693
066. Fire Shark / Same!Same!Same! (GEN/MD/ARC)               :  1.004721  11  0.370999
067. Gokujou Parodius (SAT/ARC)                              :  0.926393  10  0.353027
068. OutZone (ARC)                                           :  0.922516  10  0.348332
069. Space Invaders Extreme (NDS)                            :  0.912658  10  0.336392
070. Lords of Thunder / Winds of Thunder (PCE-CD)            :  0.907202  10  0.329784
071. Soldier Blade (PCE)                                     :  0.901356  10  0.322703
072. Parodius Da! (SAT)                                      :  0.888799  10  0.307494
073. Nexzr (PCE CD)                                          :  0.888137  07  0.537395
074. Giga Wing 2 (DC/ARC)                                    :  0.881068  10  0.298130
075. Apidya (AMIGA)                                          :  0.878801  09  0.372285
076. Shikigami No Shiro III (Wii)                            :  0.855142  10  0.266730
077. Tatsujin Ou / Truxton 2                                 :  0.811098  09  0.290285
078. Pink Sweets                                             :  0.807872  09  0.286377
079. Gun Smoke (ARC/NES)                                     :  0.807490  08  0.362816
080. Harmful Park (PS1)                                      :  0.796782  09  0.272945
081. Cyvern (ARC)                                            :  0.784769  09  0.258396
082. Pulstar (ARC)                                           :  0.782373  10  0.178593
083. Xexex (ARC)                                             :  0.770585  10  0.164315
084. MUSHA Aleste / M.U.S.H.A. (MD)                          :  0.765295  09  0.234809
085. Salamander 2 (PS1/SAT)                                  :  0.758714  08  0.303738
086. Imperishable Night (Win)                                :  0.745142  08  0.287301
087. Galaga (ARC)                                            :  0.743011  08  0.284719
088. Raiden Fighters (ARC)                                   :  0.731410  08  0.270669
089. Ketsui Death Label (NDS)                                :  0.717204  07  0.330364
090. 1943 (ARC)                                              :  0.689086  07  0.296307
091. Raystorm (PS1/ARC)                                      :  0.678355  08  0.206409
092. Homura (PS2)                                            :  0.665702  07  0.267984
093. Raiden IV (ARC)                                         :  0.661128  07  0.262444
094. Super Aleste / Space Megaforce (SFC/SNES)               :  0.648972  07  0.247721
095. Raiden II (PS1/ARC)                                     :  0.638691  07  0.235269
096. Sengoku Blade (ARC)                                     :  0.614319  08  0.128850
097. Bakuretsu Muteki Bangaioh / Bangai-O (N64/DC)           :  0.603305  06  0.269312
098. Raiden III / Double Mode (PS2/Win)                      :  0.594968  07  0.182312
099. Raiden / Super Raiden (PS1/ARC/PCE-CD)                  :  0.592181  07  0.178937
100. Radirgy (DC)                                            :  0.586369  07  0.171897
101. Viper Phase 1 / New Version (ARC)                       :  0.574470  06  0.234387
102. Blue Wish Resurrection Plus                             :  0.568777  07  0.150590
103. Power Strike 2 (SMS)                                    :  0.565412  06  0.223415
104. Stargate (ARC)                                          :  0.560126  02  0.524614
105. Twinkle Tale (MD)                                       :  0.554498  05  0.287097
106. Varth                                                   :  0.544704  06  0.198334
107. Shock Troopers                                          :  0.541411  05  0.271247
108. R-Type II (ARC/AMIGA)                                   :  0.537540  06  0.189657
109. Axelay (SNES)                                           :  0.536701  06  0.188641
110. Cotton Boomerang                                        :  0.524138  05  0.250325
111. Metal Black (ARC/SAT)                                   :  0.523891  07  0.096224
112. Dogyuun (ARC)                                           :  0.517316  06  0.165164
113. Gynoug / Wings Of Wor (MD)                              :  0.505160  06  0.150439
114. Kingdom Grandprix / Shippu Mahou Daisakusen (ARC)       :  0.500060  05  0.221162
115. Gaiares (MD)                                            :  0.498103  05  0.218792
116. Hyper Duel                                              :  0.493468  05  0.213178
117. Dodonpachi DaiFukkatsu / 1.5 (ARC)                      :  0.489123  04  0.284817
118. Elemental Master                                        :  0.488802  06  0.130626
119. Salamander (ARC) / Life Force (non-JP ARC)              :  0.488163  06  0.129852
120. R-Type Leo (ARC)                                        :  0.485498  06  0.126625
121. Space Manbow (MSX)                                      :  0.483571  05  0.201192
122. Guevara / Guerilla War (FC/ARC/NES)                     :  0.479126  03  0.349610
123. Senko no Ronde (X360)                                   :  0.476475  04  0.269498
124. 19XX: The War Against Destiny (ARC)                     :  0.472433  06  0.110800
125. TwinBee Yahho! (SAT)                                    :  0.462197  05  0.175304
126. Blast Wind                                              :  0.458982  05  0.171410
127. Shoot the Bullet                                        :  0.457518  05  0.169636
128. Galaga 88 / Galaga 88-90 (ARC/PCE)                      :  0.456276  04  0.245032
129. Gleylancer (MD)                                         :  0.436598  05  0.144298
130. Space Invaders (ARC)                                    :  0.433748  04  0.217747
131. Every Extend Extra                                      :  0.433200  05  0.140183
132. Gate of Thunder                                         :  0.402736  04  0.180186
133. Hellfire (ARC)                                          :  0.387146  05  0.084402
134. Forgotten Worlds (ARC)                                  :  0.385155  04  0.158892
135. Granada (GEN)                                           :  0.384757  04  0.158410
136. Kamui                                                   :  0.381222  04  0.154128
137. Thunder Force 2 (MD)                                    :  0.377338  05  0.072523
138. xevious                                                 :  0.371365  04  0.142189
139. Aleste 2 (MSX)                                          :  0.366899  04  0.136780
140. Game Tengoku / The Game Paradise (SAT)                  :  0.365243  04  0.134775
141. Shienryu / Gekioh (ARC/PS1)                             :  0.364929  04  0.134394
142. Lifeforce / Salamander / Lifeforce Salamander (NES/FC)  :  0.355662  04  0.123170
143. Ray Crisis                                              :  0.354746  04  0.122061
144. Brave Blade (ARC)                                       :  0.331149  04  0.093480
145. RefleX                                                  :  0.320739  04  0.080872
146. Robo Aleste / Dennin Aleste                             :  0.317432  03  0.153767
147. Gyruss (NES)                                            :  0.317241  04  0.076635
148. Blazing Lazers / Gunhed (PCE)                           :  0.317180  04  0.076562
149. Super Stardust HD / Super Stardust Portable             :  0.306623  03  0.140675
150. UN Squadron / Area 88 (ARC)                             :  0.305992  04  0.063010
151. The Guardian Legend                                     :  0.304910  03  0.138600
152. Eliminate Down (MD)                                     :  0.304733  04  0.061486
153. Terra Cresta                                            :  0.303115  04  0.059526
154. Gunbird                                                 :  0.298642  04  0.054108
155. Bosconian (ARC)                                         :  0.298030  02  0.207168
156. Blue Wish Resurrection                                  :  0.295067  03  0.126679
157. Bangai-O Spirits                                        :  0.293887  03  0.125250
158. Slap Fight (MD)                                         :  0.292407  03  0.123457
159. Pocky & Rocky/Kiki Kaikai Nazo no Kuro Mantle(SNES/SFC) :  0.285356  03  0.114917
160. Geometry Wars 2                                         :  0.283284  03  0.112408
161. Sonic Wings Special (SAT)                               :  0.281172  03  0.109850
162. Tempest 2000 (JAG)                                      :  0.279674  03  0.108035
163. Tempest (ARC)                                           :  0.279479  03  0.107799
164. Karous                                                  :  0.277973  03  0.105975
165. Jikkyo Oshaberi Parodius: Forever With Me (PS1)         :  0.275984  03  0.103566
166. Strikers 1945 Plus                                      :  0.270885  03  0.097390
167. Viewpoint (NG/ARC)                                      :  0.265120  03  0.090408
168. Trizeal                                                 :  0.264567  03  0.089738
169. Thunder Dragon 2                                        :  0.264364  03  0.089492
170. salamander (MSX)                                        :  0.260066  02  0.161187
171. Air Gallet (ARC)                                        :  0.258181  03  0.082003
172. Macross Scrambled Valkyrie (SFC/SNES)                   :  0.256604  03  0.080093
173. Zen-Ichi                                                :  0.255630  03  0.078913
174. Patriot Dark                                            :  0.255425  03  0.078666
175. Darius 2 (ARC/SAT)                                      :  0.253607  03  0.076464
176. Sengoku Ace / Samurai Aces (ARC)                        :  0.251109  03  0.073438
177. Daioh (ARC)                                             :  0.250582  03  0.072800
178. R-Type III: The Third Lightning (SNES)                  :  0.243984  03  0.064808
179. Nemesis / Gradius 2 (MSX)                               :  0.233915  02  0.129513
180. Sispri Gauntlet                                         :  0.232770  03  0.051226
181. Image Fight                                             :  0.221932  02  0.115000
182. Galaxian                                                :  0.221785  03  0.037920
183. Super Star Soldier (PCE)                                :  0.216656  03  0.031709
184. Mountain of Faith                                       :  0.211753  02  0.102671
185. Silk Worm (ARC)                                         :  0.204890  02  0.094359
186. Yakouga 4                                               :  0.204868  01  0.171233
187. Samidare                                                :  0.202815  02  0.091846
188. Titanion                                                :  0.202395  02  0.091337
189. Undeadline (X68k)                                       :  0.200201  02  0.088680
190. Yalkina STG                                             :  0.198907  02  0.087112
191. Last Resort                                             :  0.198158  02  0.086205
192. Undeadline (MD)                                         :  0.197232  02  0.085083
193. Judgement Silversword (Swancrystal)                     :  0.197014  02  0.084819
194. Perfect Cherry Blossom                                  :  0.194823  02  0.082165
195. Chaos Field (DC/GC)                                     :  0.194270  02  0.081496
196. Diadra Empty                                            :  0.192764  02  0.079672
197. Dragon Breed (ARC)                                      :  0.192037  02  0.078791
198. Beamrider                                               :  0.190803  02  0.077296
199. Sky Kid Deluxe (ARC)                                    :  0.190302  02  0.076690
200. Three Wonders: Chariot (ARC)                            :  0.189648  02  0.075897
201. Geometry Wars Galaxies (Wii)                            :  0.188217  02  0.074165
202. Uridium 2                                               :  0.187885  02  0.073763
203. Ibara Arrange Mode (PS2)                                :  0.186863  02  0.072525
204. Tempest x3                                              :  0.184293  02  0.069412
205. Boogie Wings                                            :  0.183519  02  0.068475
206. Gradius III (ARC)                                       :  0.183032  02  0.067885
207. Parsec47                                                :  0.183011  02  0.067859
208. Gradius Rebirth                                         :  0.182873  02  0.067692
209. Aero Fighters 2 / Sonic Wings 2 (ARC/NG)                :  0.180333  02  0.064615
210. Seirei Senshi Spriggan                                  :  0.179543  02  0.063659
211. UN Squadron / Area 88 (SNES/SFC)                        :  0.179486  02  0.063590
212. Juno First                                              :  0.179351  02  0.063426
213. Vasara (ARC)                                            :  0.177290  02  0.060930
214. Battle Mania 2                                          :  0.176794  02  0.060330
215. Gradius III (SNES)                                      :  0.176494  02  0.059965
216. Magical Chase (PCE)                                     :  0.173967  02  0.056905
217. Thunder Force AC                                        :  0.173832  02  0.056743
218. Fantasy Zone (ARC)                                      :  0.173480  02  0.056316
219. Assault/Assault Plus (ARC)                              :  0.173321  02  0.056122
220. Nemesis 3                                               :  0.173131  02  0.055892
221. Vasara 2                                                :  0.171363  02  0.053751
222. In The Hunt / Kaitei Daisensou (PS1)                    :  0.170171  02  0.052308
223. Cotton 2                                                :  0.169448  02  0.051432
224. Every Extend                                            :  0.168566  02  0.050363
225. Katakis (C64)                                           :  0.166107  02  0.047385
226. Ikari Warriors (NES)                                    :  0.166033  02  0.047295
227. Darius 2 (MD)                                           :  0.164268  02  0.045157
228. Gunnac                                                  :  0.162990  02  0.043610
229. V-Five                                                  :  0.161864  02  0.042246
230. Time Pilot (ARC)                                        :  0.160645  02  0.040769
231. Air Buster / Aero Blasters (ARC)                        :  0.160571  02  0.040680
232. Defender (ARC)                                          :  0.158334  02  0.037970
233. Shikigami no Shiro (ARC)                                :  0.157469  02  0.036923
234. Undeadline (MSX)                                        :  0.156891  02  0.036223
235. P-47 Aces                                               :  0.154505  02  0.033333
236. gradius 4                                               :  0.153373  02  0.031962
237. 1942                                                    :  0.152969  02  0.031472
238. Space Giraffe                                           :  0.150538  02  0.028528
239. Spy Hunter (ARC)                                        :  0.144772  01  0.098446
240. R-Type Final                                            :  0.142376  02  0.018642
241. Uridium (C64)                                           :  0.142271  02  0.018515
242. Star Soldier R (Wii)                                    :  0.141028  02  0.017010
243. Galaga Legions                                          :  0.138499  02  0.013946
244. Vulgus                                                  :  0.135286  01  0.086957
245. Le Souer De Barrage                                     :  0.130799  01  0.081522
246. Exzeal                                                  :  0.128197  01  0.078370
247. Phoenix                                                 :  0.127003  01  0.076923
248. Twin Hawk (ARC)                                         :  0.121922  01  0.070769
248. Mystic Square                                           :  0.121922  01  0.070769
250. Steel Empire (GEN)                                      :  0.116841  01  0.064615
251. Guardian Force                                          :  0.115419  01  0.062893
252. Darwin 4078                                             :  0.114300  01  0.061538
252. Solaris                                                 :  0.114300  01  0.061538
254. Mad Planets (ARC)                                       :  0.111760  01  0.058462
254. Ibara Black Label                                       :  0.111760  01  0.058462
254. Carrier Airwing (ARC)                                   :  0.111760  01  0.058462
254. Mutant Storm (X360)                                     :  0.111760  01  0.058462
258. Yar's Revenge                                           :  0.109220  01  0.055385
258. Xenon 2                                                 :  0.109220  01  0.055385
260. Radical Radial                                          :  0.108364  01  0.054348
260. King & Balloon                                          :  0.108364  01  0.054348
262. Rayxanber 2                                             :  0.107491  01  0.053292
263. Summer Carnival '92 - Alzadick (PCE)                    :  0.106795  01  0.052448
264. Total Carnage                                           :  0.106622  01  0.052239
265. Centipede (ARC)                                         :  0.106606  01  0.052219
266. Flame Zapper Kotsujin                                   :  0.105474  01  0.050847
267. Mr. Heli No Daibouken                                   :  0.105403  01  0.050761
268. Gunroar                                                 :  0.105086  01  0.050378
269. Thunder Force 6                                         :  0.104903  01  0.050157
270. Star Soldier (NES)                                      :  0.104139  01  0.049231
271. Subterranean Animism                                    :  0.102710  01  0.047500
272. Zero Wing                                               :  0.102194  01  0.046875
273. Z-Out                                                   :  0.101211  01  0.045685
274. Kiki Kaikai: Tsukiyo Soushi/Pocky & Rocky 2 (SFC/SNES)  :  0.100351  01  0.044643
275. Gun Frontier                                            :  0.099841  01  0.044025
276. Kiaidan 00                                              :  0.099727  01  0.043887
277. 1943 (NES)                                              :  0.099058  01  0.043077
278. Blast Works (the actual TUMIKI Fighters adaptation)     :  0.098847  01  0.042821
278. Every Extend Extra Extreme (X360)                       :  0.098847  01  0.042821
278. Robotron 64                                             :  0.098847  01  0.042821
281. AIRRADE AIR                                             :  0.097578  01  0.041284
282. Rei Choaniki                                            :  0.097139  01  0.040752
283. Hellsinker                                              :  0.096851  01  0.040404
284. Lethal XCess                                            :  0.096518  01  0.040000
284. P47 - The Phantom Fighters (ARC)                        :  0.096518  01  0.040000
284. IO                                                      :  0.096518  01  0.040000
284. Aldynes                                                 :  0.096518  01  0.040000
284. Image Fight 2                                           :  0.096518  01  0.040000
289. Geometry Wars                                           :  0.096416  01  0.039877
290. 4-D Warriors                                            :  0.094902  01  0.038043
291. X-Multiply                                              :  0.094453  01  0.037500
291. 1944                                                    :  0.094453  01  0.037500
293. Embodiment of Scarlet Devil                             :  0.093977  01  0.036923
294. Wings of Death                                          :  0.093593  01  0.036458
295. dodonpachi 2- bee storm (ARC)                           :  0.092979  01  0.035714
295. Ninja Emaki / Youma Ninpou Cho (ARC)                    :  0.092979  01  0.035714
295. Jackal / Top Gunner (ARC)                               :  0.092979  01  0.035714
298. Kioh Gyoku                                              :  0.092783  01  0.035477
298. Banshiryuu                                              :  0.092783  01  0.035477
298. Shuusou Gyoku                                           :  0.092783  01  0.035477
301. Hype                                                    :  0.092226  01  0.034803
302. Exception                                               :  0.091480  01  0.033898
303. SWIV                                                    :  0.091437  01  0.033846
304. Sinistar                                                :  0.090741  01  0.033002
305. Astro Invader                                           :  0.090415  01  0.032609
306. Return of the Invaders                                  :  0.089912  01  0.032000
307. Sapphire                                                :  0.089374  01  0.031348
308. Zanac (MSX)                                             :  0.089361  01  0.031332
309. Eco Fighters                                            :  0.089293  01  0.031250
310. Darius (ARC)                                            :  0.088896  01  0.030769
311. Smash T.V. (ARC)                                        :  0.088511  01  0.030303
311. Super Stardust (Amiga AGA)                              :  0.088511  01  0.030303
311. Guxt                                                    :  0.088511  01  0.030303
314. Change Air Blade                                        :  0.088261  01  0.030000
315. Pop'n Twinbee                                           :  0.087775  01  0.029412
315. Super Fantasy Zone                                      :  0.087775  01  0.029412
315. Dropzone                                                :  0.087775  01  0.029412
315. Biohazard Battle                                        :  0.087775  01  0.029412
319. XX Mission (ARC)                                        :  0.086356  01  0.027692
319. Asteroids Deluxe                                        :  0.086356  01  0.027692
321. Star Soldier (Gamecube/PS2 version)                     :  0.086246  01  0.027559
321. Super Laydock (MSX)                                     :  0.086246  01  0.027559
323. Cotton                                                  :  0.085509  01  0.026667
324. gratia (ARC)                                            :  0.084133  01  0.025000
325. Project X                                               :  0.083815  01  0.024615
325. rRootage                                                :  0.083815  01  0.024615
325. Shock Troopers: 2nd Squad                               :  0.083815  01  0.024615
325. Steel Saviour                                           :  0.083815  01  0.024615
329. Aurail                                                  :  0.082429  01  0.022936
330. Millipede                                               :  0.081976  01  0.022388
331. Twin Seeds DX                                           :  0.081441  01  0.021739
332. Side Arms Hyper Dyne                                    :  0.081275  01  0.021538
332. Heavy Unit (ARC)                                        :  0.081275  01  0.021538
332. Space Bomber                                            :  0.081275  01  0.021538
335. Akkanbeedaa (ARC)                                       :  0.080342  01  0.020408
335. Desert War (ARC)                                        :  0.080342  01  0.020408
335. Metal Hawk (ARC)                                        :  0.080342  01  0.020408
335. Nebulasray (ARC)                                        :  0.080342  01  0.020408
335. Ordyne (ARC)                                            :  0.080342  01  0.020408
335. Scramble (PS2)                                          :  0.080342  01  0.020408
335. Star Parodier (PCE)                                     :  0.080342  01  0.020408
335. Spectra Smash (48k)                                     :  0.080342  01  0.020408
335. Power Strike                                            :  0.080342  01  0.020408
335. Keio Flying Squadron                                    :  0.080342  01  0.020408
345. Solar Fox (ARC)                                         :  0.080005  01  0.020000
345. SWAT (AC: Sega/ Coreland '84)                           :  0.080005  01  0.020000
345. Dragon Saber (ARC)                                      :  0.080005  01  0.020000
345. GunNail                                                 :  0.080005  01  0.020000
349. NanoStray 2                                             :  0.079745  01  0.019685
349. Gradius Galaxies (GBA)                                  :  0.079745  01  0.019685
351. Sentimental Shooting                                    :  0.079021  01  0.018809
352. Dragon Spirit                                           :  0.078735  01  0.018462
352. Baryon (DOS)                                            :  0.078735  01  0.018462
354. Berserk                                                 :  0.078688  01  0.018405
355. Operation Neptune                                       :  0.077926  01  0.017483
356. Trouble Witches                                         :  0.077486  01  0.016949
357. Eden's Aegis                                            :  0.077027  01  0.016393
357. Abadox                                                  :  0.077027  01  0.016393
359. Youjyuden                                               :  0.076954  01  0.016304
360. Jetpac Refuelled                                        :  0.076939  01  0.016287
361. Battle Squadron (Amiga)                                 :  0.076494  01  0.015748
362. MID-GARTS (X68)                                         :  0.076433  01  0.015674
363. Bloody Wolf (PCE)                                       :  0.076326  01  0.015544
364. Exerion                                                 :  0.076194  01  0.015385
365. Flak Attack/MX5000                                      :  0.076002  01  0.015152
365. Rush & Crash/The Speed Rumbler (ARC)                    :  0.076002  01  0.015152
367. Warning Forever                                         :  0.075815  01  0.014925
368. Earth Defence                                           :  0.074959  01  0.013889
368. Scramble Spirits                                        :  0.074959  01  0.013889
368. D Force                                                 :  0.074959  01  0.013889
368. Mag Max                                                 :  0.074959  01  0.013889
368. Rock On                                                 :  0.074959  01  0.013889
368. Two Tenkaku                                             :  0.074959  01  0.013889
368. Planet Joker                                            :  0.074959  01  0.013889
368. Scramble Eggs                                           :  0.074959  01  0.013889
368. The Rail Loaders                                        :  0.074959  01  0.013889
368. Dino Riki                                               :  0.074959  01  0.013889
368. King's Knight                                           :  0.074959  01  0.013889
368. Ghost Pilots                                            :  0.074959  01  0.013889
368. B-Wings                                                 :  0.074959  01  0.013889
368. Trevor McFur In The Crescent Galaxy                     :  0.074959  01  0.013889
368. Legion                                                  :  0.074959  01  0.013889
368. Deep Blue                                               :  0.074959  01  0.013889
368. Bio Ship Paladin                                        :  0.074959  01  0.013889
368. Volley Fire                                             :  0.074959  01  0.013889
368. Star Hawk                                               :  0.074959  01  0.013889
368. A-Force                                                 :  0.074959  01  0.013889
368. Divine Sealing                                          :  0.074959  01  0.013889
368. Honey In The Sky                                        :  0.074959  01  0.013889
368. Fuzzy Shooting                                          :  0.074959  01  0.013889
391. Noiz2sa                                                 :  0.074649  01  0.013514
392. Kiki Kaikai                                             :  0.073813  01  0.012500
393. Majestic 12 / Super Space Invaders                      :  0.073654  01  0.012308
393. Agony                                                   :  0.073654  01  0.012308
393. Earth Defense Force                                     :  0.073654  01  0.012308
393. Super Spacefortress Macross/Chou-Jikuu Yousai Macross   :  0.073654  01  0.012308
393. Gaplus                                                  :  0.073654  01  0.012308
398. Tiger Heli                                              :  0.073623  01  0.012270
399. Last Hope (DC version!)                                 :  0.073244  01  0.011811
400. Bio Metal                                               :  0.072769  01  0.011236
400. Gunspike                                                :  0.072769  01  0.011236
400. Turbo Force                                             :  0.072769  01  0.011236
403. PaperBoy                                                :  0.072466  01  0.010870
403. Gun Ranger X                                            :  0.072466  01  0.010870
405. Seaquest                                                :  0.071748  01  0.010000
405. Sky Lancer                                              :  0.071748  01  0.010000
405. Grid Wars 2 (Win)                                       :  0.071748  01  0.010000
405. River Raid                                              :  0.071748  01  0.010000
409. 1941 (ARC)                                              :  0.071113  01  0.009231
409. Vanguard (2600)                                         :  0.071113  01  0.009231
409. Novastorm                                               :  0.071113  01  0.009231
409. Eight Forces                                            :  0.071113  01  0.009231
409. Twin Cobra 2 / Kyukyoku Tiger 2 (ARC)                   :  0.071113  01  0.009231
414. Vapor Trail                                             :  0.069475  01  0.007246
415. Exed Exes                                               :  0.068572  01  0.006154
415. Philosoma                                               :  0.068572  01  0.006154
415. Heavy Barrel                                            :  0.068572  01  0.006154
418. parodius (MSX)                                          :  0.066947  01  0.004184
419. Hybris (Amiga)                                          :  0.066743  01  0.003937
420. Gekirindan                                              :  0.066032  01  0.003077
420. Spider Fighter (2600)                                   :  0.066032  01  0.003077
420. Space Invaders: Fukkatsu no Hi (PCE)                    :  0.066032  01  0.003077
420. Halley's Comet (ARC)                                    :  0.066032  01  0.003077
420. Robot Dinosaurs That Shoot Beams When They Roar         :  0.066032  01  0.003077
420. Cloudphobia                                             :  0.066032  01  0.003077
420. Sky Kid                                                 :  0.066032  01  0.003077
420. Tumiki Fighters                                         :  0.066032  01  0.003077
428. Crisis Force (FC)                                       :  0.065572  01  0.002519


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i dont see a single name on that list from someone who hasnt played it or owned it.....

myth busted :wink:

i think the main difference this year was that there was a bit of a shift in the voting populace....

whereas, in previous years the rules stipulated that only those with the most in depth long term experience with the genre could vote, so we saw a lot more 'classic' titles voted on by the 'veterans'....

with the rules this year it opened up the voting to more people who are newer to the genre, and a LOT of newer enthusiasts are here for one reason.....CAVE!!!

i can understand people's attachment to the great games of yester-year, but you cant discount the revolution cave caused.....

nobody does it as good as cave.....period.....

things changed in 94.....and now 15 or so years later we see the results.....

everyone is entitled to an opinion, and as such they are free to dislike cave....but you cannot deny that in this day and age cave is on top with nobody else even close to the summit

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I'd already voted Ketsui in (very near the bottom of my list along with Muchi Pork! and Death Smiles) before the campaign kicked off. These were votes for games to which I've had little exposure, but exposure nonetheless. I'm confident they would rank much higher in my top 25 with regular access.

Plus I just love the smell of Ketsui in the morning - that's actually the main reason it got my vote at all. Is that not enough!?


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Thank you much incog!

Time to start playing that list in reverse order.

Edit: Yeesh, look at all those indie shmups :(. I'll just have to avoid those.

Double edit: Why is Biometal so low?


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Shumps4Free wrote:
Yeesh, look at all those indie shmups :(


Too bad some of them are excellent but dont get much recognition :roll:
I'm somewhat surprised at Kamui being so low, for example.


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Yes, it's a bit sad that the Touhou-series and other indie-developed games score so low. Given the scarce availability of some of the top-voted games, I think it's safe to say that the first mentioned games have been enjoyed by lot's more people.

Never mind that though. The list needs more ground-based shmups. Next year I will start a petition to get Adventures of Dino Riki into the top 25.


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Haha who voted for Rock On? That's awesome.


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slightly OT but how did shock troopers 2 get on the overall list?

technically its not a shmup....if anything its a run-n-gun, right?


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slightly OT but how did shock troopers 2 get on the overall list?

technically its not a shmup....if anything its a run-n-gun, right?


Same with Outzone.
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SFKhoa wrote:
jonny5 wrote:
slightly OT but how did shock troopers 2 get on the overall list?

technically its not a shmup....if anything its a run-n-gun, right?


Same with Outzone.


hmmmm.....i didnt consider that.....

still....outzone feels more shmup-y.....shock troopers doesnt feel like a shmup.....

also...who voted for shock troopers 2 over shock troopers :? ?


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For the record, I've owned Ketsui (and also sold it on since I needed the £££, though regretted it), and played it extensively. I can't 1cc it, but I don't view that as a valid criterion for judging whether or not you are suffciently experienced with a game.

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I'm with that. The Pork got 20 points from me this year, but I fear that too few people have played it (even with it being in Casino arcade, London for several months, that's just a fraction of even UK players :{).

EDIT: I've also noticed that it was JUST TWO PLACES outside being an honourable mention... :{

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i like the idea of only being allowed to vote for games that you've posted a score on. i'm pretty confident that everything i voted for meets that criteria.


I like this idea, but my scores suck ass :{ You'd also get a lot of people spamming the highscores forum just to be eligable.

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also...who voted for shock troopers 2 over shock troopers :? ?


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You'd also get a lot of people spamming the highscores forum just to be eligable.

You will probably not believe me, but that is the exact will of most score trackers and the exact point of their score boards in the first place.
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also...who voted for shock troopers 2 over shock troopers :? ?


Yeah, that was me, sorry. I haven't played the first one enough to consider voting for it, but I'll try and rectify that in the near future...
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in my long diatribe i forgot to give props to the parallel jesus.

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jonny5 wrote:
also...who voted for shock troopers 2 over shock troopers :? ?


Yeah, that was me, sorry. I haven't played the first one enough to consider voting for it, but I'll try and rectify that in the near future...


indeed.....the first one is amazing.....the 2nd is a mockery of the first.....


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Full list is interesting. Gekirindan at #420, lower than Divine Sealing, Bio Ship Paladin and erm... Paperboy? Ok then.

(I like Paperboy, but it's just odd to see it on the list)
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