Whatever happened to the Ketsui Dump?

P_HAT · Post by **P_HAT** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:20 pm

Ibara... cuz pcb so cheap, it can be real

Battlesmurf · Post by **Battlesmurf** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:30 pm

I really cant wait! I need another CAVE game!

Harlequin

Then by all means- nobody is stopping you from purchasing one!. Play asia gets the used one- the pcb retailers get the new(er) pcbs. If anybody needs helps, then I can forward some price lists. Whether it be a supergun or a cab- then there is an option for everybody!

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:31 pm

Battlesmurf wrote:
I really cant wait! I need another CAVE game!

Harlequin

Then by all means- nobody is stopping you from purchasing one!. Play asia gets the used one- the pcb retailers get the new(er) pcbs. If anybody needs helps, then I can forward some price lists. Whether it be a supergun or a cab- then there is an option for everybody!

he forgot to mention it also has to be free

elfhentaifan · Post by **elfhentaifan** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:39 pm

Radiant wrote:More News!
Guru wrote:Dumps of all later cave games (i.e. Espgaluda2, Mushihimesama +Futari, MMP...)will magically appear sometime in '08.
WOW!!!

huh?
hax!
omg
LINK!

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:35 pm

Radiant wrote:More News!
Guru wrote:Dumps of all later cave games (i.e. Espgaluda2, Mushihimesama +Futari, MMP...)will magically appear sometime in '08.
WOW!!!

Dumped, but not playable.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:16 pm

Radiant was posting a joke, Fighter17. None of those games will be dumped any time soon.

bcass · Post by **bcass** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:27 am

Unless those of us who arranged the Ketsui dump arrange it.

Dandy J · Post by **Dandy J** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:31 am

Arrange it? You can't arrange being able to dump the security MCU's from what I'm hearing.

Then again I dunno shit about emulation. I mean, according to Haze, CPS2 wasn't "properly emulated" until mid last year when they finally decrypted the protection, even though the games had been perfectly playable for years and no one ever noticed a difference.

bcass · Post by **bcass** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:34 am

I think you've pretty much just answered your own question.

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:36 am

EOJ wrote:Radiant was posting a joke, Fighter17. None of those games will be dumped any time soon.

I see (I didn't do enough research).

Even IGS said we have very good protection on the PGM.

I herd they're making the PGM 2.

bcass · Post by **bcass** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:40 am

I think the fascinating thing about this thread isn't about when Ketsui will be emulated, but about the people who don't want it to be emulated.

Do you really think that the emulation fraternity is based around a group of people who look at a problem and think - "there's no way we can do this"? You can pretty much rest assured that they are quite the opposite of that mentality.

koda · Post by **koda** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:42 am

Fighter17 wrote:I herd they're making the PGM 2.

I'm pretty sure that there's already one game out on it.

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:50 am

bcass wrote:I think the fascinating thing about this thread isn't about when Ketsui will be emulated, but about the people who don't want it to be emulated.

Do you really think that the emulation fraternity is based around a group of people who look at a problem and think - "there's no way we can do this"? You can pretty much rest assured that they are quite the opposite of that mentality.

After CPS3, they are always up for a challenge.

bcass · Post by **bcass** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:54 am

Long before, and long after, actually.

Necronom · Post by **Necronom** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:58 am

Just in case somebody wants to follow the discussion instead of going OMFG over "magically appearing" quotes from somewhere...

http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/sh ... art=1&vc=1

Harlequin · Post by **Harlequin** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:13 am

Battlesmurf wrote:
I really cant wait! I need another CAVE game!

Harlequin

Then by all means- nobody is stopping you from purchasing one!. Play asia gets the used one- the pcb retailers get the new(er) pcbs. If anybody needs helps, then I can forward some price lists. Whether it be a supergun or a cab- then there is an option for everybody!

Dude, im making my Cabinet now, but its going to take me a year or
so, long story. Until then its Ports :/

I dont care if Ibara gets dumped, how long until you think
its going to be playable on MAME? sometime in around 2015?

Ill be buying the PCB once im up and running, dont know weather
i should go Supergun or full Cabinet, still in the planning stages :/

The Ketsui dump part was a joke, i dont know anything about the game would be nice to see it on MAME and then grab it for my Cab if i like it

Anyway, i dont want to get inbto a player/collector debate but if all the
CAVE games can get dump and bring down those PCB prices by the time
im ready to buy ALL THE BETTER!

Harlequin

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:35 am

DJ Rectal Prolapse wrote:This seems too good to be true. At the very least I predict the panic selling of some PCBs

You are high.

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:08 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:
DJ Rectal Prolapse wrote:This seems too good to be true. At the very least I predict the panic selling of some PCBs
You are high.

But don't the words 'magically appear' make you optimistic too?

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:06 pm

But don't the words 'magically appear' make you optimistic too?

Reality prevents me. Besides, even if the emulation is perfect, which it won't be for ages, you will not see people panicking in a frenzy selling their boards. Very few people that have cabs have proper MAME setups that would do the game justice.

bcass · Post by **bcass** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:25 pm

So, people aren't worthy if they don't already own the PCB, but now there is the possibility of it being emulated in the next couple of years, the goal-posts have changed, and those playing it emulated still won't be worthy, because they might not be playing it with a proper arcade stick?

Were those your thoughts of one of those top Ikaruga players who was playing the game with a modified SNES pad? Yeah, I'm pretty sure when he was playing the game he was having a lot less enjoyment than anyone else who was playing it with a sanwa joystick...

I don't think there will be panic selling when the emulation finally arrives, but I think you'd have to be hopelessly optimistic not to expect the value to drop.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:31 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:
DJ Rectal Prolapse wrote:This seems too good to be true. At the very least I predict the panic selling of some PCBs
You are high.

Not quite. PCB hoarders (brought to the spotlight by Sardius trolling them) have gone lengths to sabotage or subvert emulation attempts to keep them from happening, for fear of the price falling due to the game itself being "less valuable". I'm talking people who don't even play the damned games for fear that the game will be damaged through play and their "investment" wasted (when in reality not actually letting them boot will make them much more susceptible to bit rot, among other issues)

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:46 pm

In my understanding, most people who have enough cash to shell out for PCBs won't magically start using MAME instead. But for those who could only play unemulated games in arcades, this will mean they won't have to drop coins in anymore. Whether that will hurt Cave any, I don't know (I think not, though).

Radiant · Post by **Radiant** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:20 pm

Twiddle wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote:
DJ Rectal Prolapse wrote:This seems too good to be true. At the very least I predict the panic selling of some PCBs
You are high.
Not quite. PCB hoarders (brought to the spotlight by Sardius trolling them) have gone lengths to sabotage or subvert emulation attempts to keep them from happening, for fear of the price falling due to the game itself being "less valuable". I'm talking people who don't even play the damned games for fear that the game will be damaged through play and their "investment" wasted (when in reality not actually letting them boot will make them much more susceptible to bit rot, among other issues)

A LOT of people buy Kits at the release for ~2200$ and they know for sure it will cost 1000$ less in a year.....no diff. if they play it or not.....

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:50 pm

bcass wrote:So, people aren't worthy if they don't already own the PCB, but now there is the possibility of it being emulated in the next couple of years, the goal-posts have changed, and those playing it emulated still won't be worthy, because they might not be playing it with a proper arcade stick?

Uh... sure.

I don't think there will be panic selling when the emulation finally arrives, but I think you'd have to be hopelessly optimistic not to expect the value to drop.

I never said the price wouldn't drop.

Were those your thoughts of one of those top Ikaruga players who was playing the game with a modified SNES pad?

Our own EOJ destroyed the game with a DC Pad.

I'm talking people who don't even play the damned games for fear that the game will be damaged through play and their "investment" wasted

Apples and Oranges. I'm referring to a few thousand people that own a game. I don't think a large percentage of them are going to participate in a mass exodus and sell the PCB b/c they can play it on there crappy computer setup.

pixelcorps · Post by **pixelcorps** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:53 pm

interesting that guru mentions ibara dump as well as ketsui as a "magical" appearance this year...

for me, it doesnt matter when the emulation happens.

people were complaining about no ketsui port, or emulation.

i said "let's do something about it"

some people said.. "hah! fuck you! - it's not gonna happen!"

some people said "ok, lets try.."

so we did, and look what happened in the space of a few months... if we get it dumped, then we did what we could, a small group of a community took charge and made a change instead of just whining about it.. wether people liked it or not.

and for me that's enough, the next steps are up to someone else, the path has been paved.....

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:58 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:
I'm talking people who don't even play the damned games for fear that the game will be damaged through play and their "investment" wasted
Apples and Oranges. I'm referring to a few thousand people that own a game. I don't think a large percentage of them are going to participate in a mass exodus and sell the PCB b/c they can play it on there crappy computer setup.

They're not the majority here, obviously. I'm just explaining the hubbub over people saying that certain people will sell off their collection because of OH GOD, IT'S BEING EMULATED (which was a rather common panic in the emulation scene) though I have no idea why collectors-that-are-outside-the-venn-inclusion-zone-of-players selling off their collection in a panic is a bad thing here since there are resources readily available to play PCBs on this forum and panic selling because of emulation can only be a good thing because it will drive aftermarket prices lower for the actual PCBs

run on sentence

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:02 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:
Were those your thoughts of one of those top Ikaruga players who was playing the game with a modified SNES pad?
Our own EOJ destroyed the game with a DC Pad.

Actually, I got my 1-life Clear 29.5mil with a Gamecube pad. Which some would argue is even worse.

When I played on the DC port I used a Saturn pad most of the time.

CVM got a 34mil ALL (1-life Clear) with the DC pad though.

bcass · Post by **bcass** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:14 pm

That was my point though - you don't have to be sat in front of a bulky cabinet with sanwa sticks to be able to enjoy a game just as much as someone who does sit in front of a bulky cabinet. I thought GaijinPunch was sort of suggesting that unless you had the real article in front of you, you wouldn't be having as much fun as someone who owned the real thing, which we all know is total rubbish.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:15 pm

I enjoy games just fine with keyboard

pixelcorps · Post by **pixelcorps** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:50 pm

*waits nervously for icycalm to appear*