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orange · Post by **orange** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:03 am

http://shootthecore.blogspot.com/2008/0 ... neric.html

Obviously someone never experienced the awesome that is Subspace. Damn kids.

Dremark · Post by **Dremark** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:01 am

orange wrote:http://shootthecore.blogspot.com/2008/0 ... neric.html

Obviously someone never experienced the awesome that is Subspace. Damn kids.

Subspace was pretty cool, last time I checked people were still playing it too

orange · Post by **orange** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:10 am

Yep, there's still an active base of players. I still play occasionally and it's still a blast.

jp · Post by jp » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:30 am

A Super Stardust clone?

Don't they mean, a Geometry Wars clone? Or better yet, a Robotron clone?

Regardless, Subspace was good stuff, and I expect this game to be damn good as well.

orange · Post by **orange** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:40 am

One noteworthy detail is that it was designed by the same designer as SF2 Hyper Fighting.

Also, I hate generic arena shmups (all of them).

jp · Post by jp » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:45 am

orange wrote: Also, I hate generic arena shmups (all of them).

Me too. Its a shame that craze took off and a new traditional 2D shooter craze did not.

orange · Post by **orange** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:28 am

I don't even understand people's draw to it. Can they only try for hi-scores when a game has derivative, mediocre gameplay?

320x240 · Post by **320x240** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:07 am

orange wrote:I don't even understand people's draw to it. Can they only try for hi-scores when a game has derivative, mediocre gameplay?

Arena shmups have less restricted movement and scrolling than 'proper' shmups and this lets the casual player feel more involved - even though all he might be doing is just flying/running around with no plan behind his actions. There are lot's of people out there that like 'shooting games' but who can't be bothered to actually learn a strict set of rules. All they want is to 'experience the game and have some fun'. I'm halfway to being such a player myself actually, but slighly less than I used to be.

Matsunaga · Post by **Matsunaga** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:15 pm

I'm sick of all these arena shooters. It's like they don't want to spend the time and effort to make a real shmup, so they take the easy way out. I don't want to "shoot in all directions with the right analog stick". I'm glad that 1942 joint strike is coming out this week, good or not, maybe it will remind people what a real shooter is like.

Taylor · Post by **Taylor** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:36 pm

320x240 wrote:
orange wrote:I don't even understand people's draw to it. Can they only try for hi-scores when a game has derivative, mediocre gameplay?
Arena shmups have less restricted movement and scrolling than 'proper' shmups and this lets the casual player feel more involved - even though all he might be doing is just flying/running around with no plan behind his actions.

And, of course, this casual market completely dwarfs that of hardcore shmup fans, and arena shooters are a thousand times easier to bang out.

Andi · Post by **Andi** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:06 am

They updated Subspace and turned it into Cosmic Rift (a pay to play game now). I used to play it when it was free. It's hosted by Sony now, or something. The game is still fun.

I'm Alec · Post by **I'm Alec** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:11 am

o yea i remember subspace. 90's internet ftw.

orange · Post by **orange** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:04 am

Andi wrote:They updated Subspace and turned it into Cosmic Rift (a pay to play game now). I used to play it when it was free. It's hosted by Sony now, or something. The game is still fun.

it's called Continuum now and it's still free

edit: also it is certianly not hosted by sony

Dremark · Post by **Dremark** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:49 am

orange wrote:
Andi wrote:They updated Subspace and turned it into Cosmic Rift (a pay to play game now). I used to play it when it was free. It's hosted by Sony now, or something. The game is still fun.
it's called Continuum now and it's still free

edit: also it is certianly not hosted by sony

Continuum is the original game kept alive by the fans.

Cosmic rift is an updated version hosted by Sony: http://www.station.sony.com/casualProduct.vm?Id=038

KindGrind · Post by **KindGrind** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:57 am

Any of you guys played Infantry?

orange · Post by **orange** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:13 am

Dremark wrote:
orange wrote:
Andi wrote:They updated Subspace and turned it into Cosmic Rift (a pay to play game now). I used to play it when it was free. It's hosted by Sony now, or something. The game is still fun.
it's called Continuum now and it's still free

edit: also it is certianly not hosted by sony
Continuum is the original game kept alive by the fans.

Cosmic rift is an updated version hosted by Sony: http://www.station.sony.com/casualProduct.vm?Id=038

my bad!

also wow that looks awful ;_;

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:02 am

Time to put a pin into the balloon and let some of the retarded out of this thread.

Arena shooters are popular now because finally we have dual-analog controllers as standard AND ALSO because people aren't as excited about THREE DEE anymore.

For people who complain about graphics over gameplay, it doesn't make sense to me that there's a dismissal of the current crop of arena shooters. Most arena shooters or similar types of games in MAME are trash or compromised by one-joystick gameplay; from what little I've been able to play of Geometry Wars Galaxies it's more accessible (aside from the oddly constricted Wii Classic Controller) to me than Robotron by a longshot, and doesn't seem a bit less thrilling (in fact I like it more).

The people who make arena shmups generally are the type who would never make an old-fashioned 80s vert scroller. As one of the replies to the blog entry mentioned, you probably don't want them to try.

While we're at it we might as well complain about all the 3D racing games (omg not enough 2D rally racers) because the arena shmups genre is really a completely different genre. There have been some good (if not outstanding, I can't think of any outside of maybe Geometry Wars or Crimson Land that I felt really engrossed by)

If this was 1995 and we were all playing doujins on our X68000/Amiga systems you'd all be screaming about how many vertical and horizontal shooters there were and would people please start making good old (QUALITY) fashioned Space Wars, Spelunker and Stargate clones

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:27 am

Matsunaga wrote:I'm glad that 1942 joint strike is coming out this week, good or not, maybe it will remind people what a real shooter is like.

lol, that game looks like a total pile. Of shit.

I've only played Geometry Wars but that was good. '83 style all the way.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:51 am

Rob wrote:
Matsunaga wrote:I'm glad that 1942 joint strike is coming out this week, good or not, maybe it will remind people what a real shooter is like.
lol, that game looks like a total pile. Of shit.

But at least it will remind people what a real shooter is like!

orange · Post by **orange** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:01 pm

i think the point here is that i completely hate arena shooters and if they were available in disc form i would buy and break them

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:08 pm

orange wrote:i think the point here is that i completely hate spaceship shooters and if they were available in disc form i would buy and break them

An alternate universe version of orange posting on arenahmups.robotron.org

orange · Post by **orange** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:26 pm

i lold verily

Matsunaga · Post by **Matsunaga** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:58 pm

The real point is, Joint Strike is out, it seems pretty good in the few runs I've had so far. If it sells well, maybe all the lazy developers making crap arena shooters will say, "hey, lets try making a shmup!", and just maybe they'll make a good one. You never know. Then hopefully the PS store won't be flooded with crap arena shooters every week, as it is now.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:16 am

I want a Gunspike sequel.

Andi · Post by **Andi** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:55 am

KindGrind wrote:Any of you guys played Infantry?

Back when it was free I was a pretty highly ranked Commando and part of a pretty well known clan. Some of the best CTF action out there, strategic and action-packed.

Uses the Subspace engine, believe it or not.

opips2 · Post by **opips2** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:17 am

Greatest Game Shump

- Gradius
- Daruis
- Thunderforce
- R-Type
- 1945

oh shit i forget this Raiden

your life of the rest!

Battlesmurf · Post by **Battlesmurf** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:05 am

If this was 1995 and we were all playing doujins on our X68000/Amiga systems you'd all be screaming about how many vertical and horizontal shooters there were and would people please start making good old (QUALITY) fashioned Space Wars, Spelunker and Stargate clones

+1

shmups.system11.org

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