Annual Top 10 of the Less Experienced - Discussion Thread

unsane · Post by **unsane** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:03 pm

Think of this as the pre-season exhibition, or the juniors.

My goal is not to overshadow the Top 25, but to make it even better. By having the less experienced vote in preliminaries, it will reduce the temptation to vote in the Top 25 when one isn't really widely and deeply experienced. Let's face it, most of us haven't played 95% of the Top 25, 90% of the Honorable Mentions, and 50-65% of the The Rest. This way everyone else gets to have their say too.

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God · Post by **God** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:19 pm

Sweet!

This is going to be fun.

Hardstepah · Post by **Hardstepah** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:48 pm

giga wing and mars matrix are in the top 25 ever? wow

unsane · Post by **unsane** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:58 pm

unsane wrote:can someone with full knowledge do me a favor and list the "What's new", i.e. what new games came out in 2007?

Using oxtsu's stickied arcade list:

Death Smiles
Muchi Muchi Pork!
Otomedius
Raiden IV
Shooting Love 2007: Exzeal & Shooting Skill Test

So i just need 2007 console shmup releases.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:35 pm

Hardstepah wrote:giga wing and mars matrix are in the top 25 ever? wow

You bet.

btw, 1) Everybody can participate; but don't you want this for less experienced players?

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:40 pm

prediction:

1. Radiant Silvergun

unsane · Post by **unsane** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:49 pm

Rob wrote:btw, 1) Everybody can participate; but don't you want this for less experienced players?

Those doing the Top 25 can skip this one if they like. It's not necessary tho, i don't want anyone who votes in this one to feel like they shouldn't then do the Top 25. This is more informal so it's not a big deal.

bsidwell · Post by **bsidwell** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:50 pm

I don't think I'm good enough at 10 games to have an informed opinion on them.

God · Post by **God** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:09 pm

btw, 1) Everybody can participate; but don't you want this for less experienced players?
Those doing the Top 25 can skip this one if they like. It's not necessary tho, i don't want anyone who votes in this one to feel like they shouldn't then do the Top 25. This is more informal so it's not a big deal.

I think that's a mistake and voters should have to choose between the two.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:38 pm

I like this one for its smaller lists and no point stacking. Will be interesting to compare.

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:41 pm

So far everyone has different #1's.

unsane · Post by **unsane** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:49 pm

God wrote:
Those doing the Top 25 can skip this one if they like. It's not necessary tho, i don't want anyone who votes in this one to feel like they shouldn't then do the Top 25. This is more informal so it's not a big deal.
I think that's a mistake and voters should have to choose between the two.

In an ideal sense i agree with you, as the title says, this poll is for the less experienced. However, i don't want to be too strict about it, self-exclusion is fine. I figure that in no time the vast sea of 'less experienced' voters will completely drown the rest out to statistical insignificance anyway. However if this ends up with 60 people that also vote in the Top 25 and 40 that don't, i'll definitely have to re-think the rules.

I'm expecting something more like 15 deeply experienced and 100 less experienced tho.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:14 am

Nice idea, unsane. And I like the list you just posted.

FIL · Post by **FIL** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:20 am

Brilliant Bronzerifle is so overrated.

unsane · Post by **unsane** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:32 am

professor ganson wrote:And I like the list you just posted.

Hehe my list is basically my favorites from last year's top 45 that are MAMEable. With the cherry on top, the game i grew up with: Raiden. It won't be long that Raiden will be kicked off my throne tho, but probly not in time for this year's vote.

bsidwell · Post by **bsidwell** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:39 am

Argh. I can't think of 10.

unsane · Post by **unsane** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:19 am

bsidwell wrote:Argh. I can't think of 10.

You have 2 weeks, you'll be ok.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:28 am

FIL wrote:I don't mean to brag but this is the best list you will ever see.

1 Dragonblaze
2 Battle Bakraid
3 Strikers 1945 II
4 Dodonpachi
5 Gunbird 2
6 Soldier Blade
7 Darius Gaiden
8 Shikigami no Shiro 2
9 G.Darius
10 Final Soldier

I don't know about best ever, but I do think it's awesome. I've never been able to get into the Darius games myself, but I can understand their appeal.

nimitz · Post by **nimitz** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:30 am

needs more Batrider

and unsane you have to explain to me how viper phase 1 is in your top 10

...

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:50 am

Don't worry, he'll see the light and replace it with Raiden DX eventually.

RGC · Post by **RGC** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:48 am

nimitz wrote:needs more Batrider

Can see APB ending in the top 3.

unsane · Post by **unsane** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:12 pm

nimitz wrote:unsane you have to explain to me how viper phase 1 is in your top 10 ...

Twiddle wrote:Don't worry, he'll see the light and replace it with Raiden DX eventually.

That's what's fun with this poll, it's ludicrously quirky, and worthless if you seek objectivity (the Top 25 is good for that). Less widely experienced player's lists are based on a microcosm, a map of the random, personal path they've taken through shmups.

I've only touched about 75 shmups in my entire life, and of those about 20 to any depth at all. That doesn't give me many choices to vote for.

So let's just say it doesn't yet take much to make my Top 10.

As for VP1, admittedly the 100% scoring system can be irritating, but i really enjoy the game. I'm pretty anal, when i play shmups i try to kill every single enemy and collect every item, so even the downside is a decent fit for me. As for large hitbox, i did place Raiden at #1 so i'm not overly averse to them.

FIL · Post by **FIL** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:30 pm

Woo my list is popular.

Post by **spadgy** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:30 pm

Great idea this. I was a little unsure how ordered the top 10 should be, but I've mulled over my list long and hard and it's up...

doodude · Post by **doodude** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:43 pm

Im waiting until next year to vote as I freely admit that my experience is so void of...well, experience.
Ive played most of the games listed thru ROMs etc but all I can really say about 'em is they are 'WOW' lookin' & hard as hell to not get killed early on.
So by next year I fully intend to have my own top 10 ready to go!

..

unsane · Post by **unsane** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:50 pm

Twiddle wrote:You could just turn . : and ) into nothing if you're doing a script/program to handle this

Agreed, i'm just trying to minimize non-standard formatting to avoid too many problems. E.g. Macaw didn't put a space at his #10, it's hard to account for every little thing like that when coding, and if 200 ppl vote every such detail adds easily avoidable work. Anyways it's not really a big deal.

doodude wrote:Im waiting until next year to vote as I freely admit that my experience is so void of...well, experience.
Ive played most of the games listed thru ROMs etc but all I can really say about 'em is they are 'WOW' lookin' & hard as hell to not get killed early on.

Up to you but this is meant for people such as yourself with little experience. I can understand tho if you can't even reach 10.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:50 pm

G Darius

J-Manic · Post by **J-Manic** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:17 am

Next time there should be two seperate lists; One for Top 10 verts, and another for Top 10 horis.

Post by **spadgy** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:40 am

J-Manic wrote:Next time there should be two seperate lists; One for Top 10 verts, and another for Top 10 horis.

People like 10 horis?

Only kidding. I've got a load in my top ten!

unsane · Post by **unsane** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:22 pm

J-Manic wrote:Next time there should be two seperate lists; One for Top 10 verts, and another for Top 10 horis.

Heh my top 10 is all verts. As for your idea, kind of unnecessary: once the full list is compiled you can just extract the 10 most popular verts, horzis or whatever you want. For example, the top 10 verts from last year's Top 25 are:

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Game                                                              Score    2005  2004  2003  "2002"
[01]  Dodonpachi (ARC/PS1/SAT)                                    6.815    .     .     .     .
[03]  Battle Garegga (ARC/SAT)                                    6.46     +     *     +     +
[04]  Armed Police Batrider (ARC)                                 5.89     *     +     *     *
[05]  Ikaruga (ARC/DC/GC)                                         5.81     -     -     -     -
[06]  Radiant Silvergun (ARC/SAT)                                 5.42     -     -     .     +
[07]  Raiden DX (ARC/PS1)                                         5.28     +     +     *     *
[08]  ESPGaluda (ARC/PS2)                                         4.67     +     +     *     *
[09]  Shikigami no Shiro 2 / Castle Shikigami 2 (ARC/PS2/DC/GC)   4.59     -     +     *     *
[10]  Dodonpachi Daioujou (ARC/PS2)                               4.55     +     +     +     *
[13]  Rayforce / Layer Section (et al) (ARC/SAT)                  4.17     +     -     -     *

Only 1 horzi made the top 10 heh.

Edit: And the top 10 horzis were:

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Game                                                              Score    2005  2004  2003  "2002" 
[02]  Gradius V (PS2)                                             6.812    .     +     *     *
[11]  Border Down (ARC/DC)                                        4.40     +     *     *     *
[12]  Thunderforce III (GEN/SAT)                                  4.38     -     -     -     -
[14]  Gradius Gaiden (PS1)                                        4.130    .     -     +     +
[18]  R-Type Delta (PS1)                                          3.90     .     +     *     *
[23]  Einhänder (PS1)                                             3.61     -     +     *     *
[24]  Thunderforce IV / Lightening Force (GEN/SAT)                3.58     .     -     +     -
[26]  R-Type                                                      3.55
[30]  Thunderforce V                                              3.03
[31]  G.Darius                                                    2.99

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